DeepEnigma
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Smaller fans, higher RPMs to push enough volume of air. I'm just adding, I know you already know this, lol.
Linus tech tips is disappointed that the steam machine won't be priced like a console.
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LordOcidax
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Mister Wolf
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Yeah...heating is usually a problem the smaller the device gets. There is a reason a gaming pc looks like this:
Airflow!
People put all of those fans in their PC and its completely pointless.
Kacho
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*gently caresses 1060 laptop from 2017*
Topher
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I agree with you that console pricing is the expectation. That doesn't make it a console. It's a PC. Youtube titles be damned. And let's not pretend YouTubers are not incredibly deliberate in the titles they create for their videos.
Hypocritical? They even make a point to mention that you can install whatever operating system you want in their Steam Machine promotion page.
Can't be more "obvious" than this.
cireza
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And yet console gamers won't care.
Well if this is a PC, I bet every PC gamer already has a good computer to play on, or will be able to build something better for the price they will ask. So who is this for in the end ?
This is going to be niche, mostly irrelevant.
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DeepEnigma
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I agree with you that console pricing is the expectation. That doesn't make it a console. It's a PC. Youtube titles be damned. And let's not pretend YouTubers are not incredibly deliberate in the titles they create for their videos.
Hypocritical? They even make a point to mention that you can install whatever operating system you want in their Steam Machine promotion page.
Can't be more "obvious" than this.
Borealis
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Agreed, at least on the niche part. If this is €700 or even more, then it will sell less than Steam Deck imo.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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DOA and pointless if above $700
pudel
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Libraries are a huge thing...I agree. No one wants to loose them...and no one should loose them.
MiguelItUp
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People really, really, really want this to be something it isn't meant to be.I agree with you that console pricing is the expectation. That doesn't make it a console. It's a PC. Youtube titles be damned. And let's not pretend YouTubers are not incredibly deliberate in the titles they create for their videos.
Hypocritical? They even make a point to mention that you can install whatever operating system you want in their Steam Machine promotion page.
Can't be more "obvious" than this.
pudel
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Mister Wolf
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Yes. They are basically Christmas Light decorations.
Magic Carpet
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I'm imagining Valve stumbled into a warehouse with shelves stacked to the ceiling of old stuff forgotten about.
Maybe Gabe sailed that old Yacht into a warehouse and boxes fell onto the deck. A check was written on the pier and a barge showed up the next day to load it all up.
DeepEnigma
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
In fact, saying you don't have Windows is actually a negative thing.
pudel
Gold Member
I switch them off the moment they are lighting up (the lights, not the fans). Its about cooling yr machine. GPU's/CPU's can get pretty hot.
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poppabk
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A laptop 4050 or 4060 isn't going to smoke the steam machine.
LordOcidax
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The console narrative doesn't come from Neogaf… Everybody here knows that the Steam machine is a PC.
Kvally
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So I COULD put LibreOffice on this bad boy!I agree with you that console pricing is the expectation. That doesn't make it a console. It's a PC. Youtube titles be damned. And let's not pretend YouTubers are not incredibly deliberate in the titles they create for their videos.
Hypocritical? They even make a point to mention that you can install whatever operating system you want in their Steam Machine promotion page.
Can't be more "obvious" than this.
Senua
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Why are you speaking for all console gamers? They aren't a monolith. Do you realise how popular PC gaming is with the youth? Thanks to twitch and YouTube. This gives many an easy way into PC gaming without worrying about foibles that come with being a traditional windows desktop. Don't get me wrong I'm still sticking with my windows desktop for now but I see how this is very appealing to many people who always wanted to play PC games but either couldn't afford or were intimidated by the traditional desktop experience
Topher
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The console narrative doesn't come from Neogaf… Everybody here knows that the Steam machine is a PC.
This is why people need to stop letting YouTubers do their thinking for them.
Maybe not a 4050 but a 4060 paired with a good cpu will. Especially with DLSS. Remember the cpu is a 6 core on the steam machine. It's going to be shit with cpu bound games. Especially with games like battlefield 6.
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DeepEnigma
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Midn1ght
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Agree. I really appreciate everything Steam brings to PC (community stuff, guides, cheap games, solid library management, etc...) and Valve did an awesome job turning all that into a console-like experience on the Steam Deck. The Steam Box feels like a natural evolution, it's exactly the kind of thing I'd want as I get older and prefer less hassle and more plug-and-play when it comes to PC gaming.
But dropping 600 - 700 euros on a box that's basically on par with a 5-year-old console just for convenience? Yeah, no thanks. I don't care if it's also a PC, it's clearly meant to be a console-style device for the TV.
If Gabe can afford a half-billion-dollar yacht, Valve can afford to take a loss, price it at 500 top, and make it back with their 30% cut on game sales.
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Senua
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Those people know what will get clicksThe console narrative doesn't come from Neogaf… Everybody here knows that the Steam machine is a PC.
OMG STEAM IS MAKING A CONSOLE!?11111
Fuck em and their faggy thumnails
Mister Wolf
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Pretty much. Most people around the globe who use a PC casually have never even heard of Linux. Windows has a 71% marketshare of Desktop OS usage.
Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia
Kacho
Gold Member
Valve said they will be competitive with other mini PCs on the market. Here's a quick and dirty reference stolen from PC Gamer.
What does competitive look like against those?
Shubh_C63
Member
And play fps with a controller ? And miss out on Strategy and Colony building games ? No thank you.
I don't care about playing games early. Except maybe Destiny 2 and Elden Ring I buy everything on sales.
DeepEnigma
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Engagement farming tards. We know. Which is why we said what we said about this very topic.The console narrative doesn't come from Neogaf… Everybody here knows that the Steam machine is a PC.
LordOcidax
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I have a great news for you…
MiguelItUp
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No kidding, people tend to forget that YouTube "content creators" would be absolutely nothing if it wasn't for subscriptions and views. They will do whatever they need to for both. Hence the stupid titles and cringy thumbnails. We've seen too many examples of this over the previous years. Saying Valve is releasing a console instead of a mini PC will likely get more clicks as it's more of a wtf topic, lol.
But that doesn't make it factual whatsoever. I mean, Jesus, the developer literally mentions PC 3 times on the product page, lol.
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Valve said they will be competitive with other mini PCs on the market. Here's a quick and dirty reference stolen from PC Gamer.
What does competitive look like against those?
And the cheaper ones probably can't even do games right lol. The steam machine is a low entry gaming machine so 699 seems like the lowest it could enter at.
LavitzSlambert
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They can't subsidize a Steam Machine like a typical console manufacturer, because a significant portion of their userbase already owns games on the platform. How many additional sales are going to be generated by Steam Machines? I see it, and likely Valve sees it as another place to play your existing Steam Library.
I'm not sure they will sell console numbers, I don't see a significant amount of additional game sales, and Valve also has to take into account uncertainties around inflation of PC components (this AI craze is only causing more issues), and they need to plan a price point in advance to maintain a price point now and into the future unless they want bad press for raising prices every few years for largely the same components.
It makes perfect sense why Valve has not announced a price but is warning us to expect it to be like a PC rather than console. As a consumer, I don't like this, but I understand why it is happening.
I'm not sure they will sell console numbers, I don't see a significant amount of additional game sales, and Valve also has to take into account uncertainties around inflation of PC components (this AI craze is only causing more issues), and they need to plan a price point in advance to maintain a price point now and into the future unless they want bad press for raising prices every few years for largely the same components.
It makes perfect sense why Valve has not announced a price but is warning us to expect it to be like a PC rather than console. As a consumer, I don't like this, but I understand why it is happening.
NickFire
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I don't know. I agree completely that mentioning a disc drive is ridiculous for this type of product, not to mention it would increase cost.
But a subsidy sounds logical to me. Mea culpa - I don't even have a PC at home (only Ipad and PS5 after work). So I am woefully uninformed on PC costs and how many people will actually know how to make this box leave the Steam garden. But that said didn't they say the specs will equal or exceed like 70% of the PC's that use Steam? That makes it sound like they are targeting the masses including those who would never pay for high end, as well as those like me who would be interested in jumping into the Steam garden with a simple box like they are offering. And I think both are targets who are far more likely to purchase the box and begin purchasing software than the people who would want and know how to put games on the box outside of Steam.
Just my two cents.
Lokaum D+
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Nah, this ENMOROUS library of PC exclusives dont worth $600 $700 entry point.
This. Valve knows this is going to be pricey.
Shubh_C63
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It's not the same. And my personal favourite StarCraft 2 needs a PC. But thanks. A browsing laptop + Steam Machine might be all I need.I have a great news for you…
Sebastian1295
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Tom Henderson is speculating that it's going to cost 849/999 for the two models btw.
Topher
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Valve said they will be competitive with other mini PCs on the market. Here's a quick and dirty reference stolen from PC Gamer.
What does competitive look like against those?
I don't think Valve specifically said mini PCs, did they?
"Valve made a console!" is going to get a hell of a lot more attention than "PC". Steam Machine does check a lot of "console-like" boxes, but consoles are closed platforms and there is no getting around that.
Durin
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I think the max they could get away with the 512gb unit without the gamepad, is $600. If it's priced at $700+, I just don't think it will have any market penetration, outside of niche use-cases.
If they somehow get it down to $500 or $550, they are at PS5 pricing, and offer advantages at that price (no online sub costs, free cloud saves, cheaper games, larger game library back to the 90s, non-gaming apps, console/handheld/arcade emulation). That could make a bedrock for market disruption, bring more people to SteamOS, and likely solve the anti-cheat issue faster by devs wanting more audience.
If they somehow get it down to $500 or $550, they are at PS5 pricing, and offer advantages at that price (no online sub costs, free cloud saves, cheaper games, larger game library back to the 90s, non-gaming apps, console/handheld/arcade emulation). That could make a bedrock for market disruption, bring more people to SteamOS, and likely solve the anti-cheat issue faster by devs wanting more audience.
Eh, this is a dying selling point, and the console makers + devs are the ones killing it. Servers needed for game installation + updates will get shut down for these games eventually, and emulation+piracy will be the only thing keeping them alive. It's a handful of games that come entirely on a disc or switch 2 cartridge at this point.
DeepEnigma
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Tom Henderson is speculating that it's going to cost 849/999 for the two models btw.
Bry0
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The business model is not the same as PlayStation, and the marketing is definitely directed toward steam deck owners. I could also see pc gamers with strong rigs grabbing one of these for the living room. This is not necessarily about peeling away ps5 gamers. Why would I buy a ps5 instead when I can't play my steam library on it?
I get his point, but I'm not really sure this is specifically targeting those people. Everyone I personally know excited about a steam machine already own more powerful gaming PCs. The thing is, the windows experience in the living room is trash, CEC is not really a thing without adapters, and you can't really wake a pc from a fully shutdown state with a controller. There is a ton of QOL features this box has
I get his point, but I'm not really sure this is specifically targeting those people. Everyone I personally know excited about a steam machine already own more powerful gaming PCs. The thing is, the windows experience in the living room is trash, CEC is not really a thing without adapters, and you can't really wake a pc from a fully shutdown state with a controller. There is a ton of QOL features this box has
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Mister Wolf
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Pudel do you see my dirty PC. I never open it up. That case fan on the back doesnt even work. Stopped working a long time ago. There is a 5800X3D in it and a 4090. It has never overheated nor does the performance ever throttle. Its the CPU and GPU fans that are essential. Those case fans aren't doing much of anything but putting on a show.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Wait Valve isn't using liquid cooling?
WEAK
WEAK
Topher
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Pudel do you see my dirty PC. I never open it up. That case fan on the back doesnt even work. Stopped working a long time ago. There is a 5800X3D in it and a 4090. It has never overheated nor does the performance ever throttle. Its the CPU and GPU fans that are essential. Those case fans aren't doing much of anything but putting on a show.
Kacho
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Here's what they said exactly.
If you're trying to make a PC that has similar features and similar performance, I think the Steam Machine is going to be a really competitive price to that and provide really good value to it. The affordability piece you mentioned is one of the reasons why we think a Steam Machine makes a lot of sense right now. So it's just something that we thought about every time we made a hardware decision, a feature decision, is to make sure that we keep it as approachable, as affordable as possible.
Steam Machine Pricing Will Be 'Really Competitive' with Building a Similar PC Yourself, Says Valve
Valve hardware engineer Yazan Aldehayyat has commented on the pricing of the Steam Machine, which he believes will be 'really competitive'.
wccftech.com
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Kacho
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My brother in Christ…Pudel do you see my dirty PC. I never open it up. That case fan on the back doesnt even work. Stopped working a long time ago. There is a 5800X3D in it and a 4090. It has never overheated nor does the performance ever throttle. Its the CPU and GPU fans that are essential. Those case fans aren't doing much of anything but putting on a show.