Hudo
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Not everything is packaged as Flatpak or AppImage, unfortunately. Additionally, Flatpaks don't allow for CLI/system tools as well, last time I checked.Why would you want to use anything but Flatpak?
Linux Bros, what's the best Linux OS for gaming (GOG and Steam)?
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BeardSpike
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Further testing - the game was extra blurry from what I remember and was sitting in my backlog for far too long.
I might finally give it a try once again when I finish Clair Obsur, Will try to force 1.0 resolution next time.
I might finally give it a try once again when I finish Clair Obsur, Will try to force 1.0 resolution next time.
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Syphon Filter
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flatpaks suck since you cant install them offline.Why would you want to use anything but Flatpak?
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Closer
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Did you really mean "can"?
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Syphon Filter
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corrected it.
Closer
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You're wrong then.
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Sonik
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Linux nerds are gonna make this really complicated for you when in reality most distros have similar performance FAR better than Windows. So what we want here is user friendliness in which case I DEFINITELY recommend Linux Mint. Start with that and when you become a Linux nerd yourself you can test other stuff even though it's really not necessary
BeardSpike
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ZorinOS is pretty easy to jump into also. I started with it. Looks like better Win10 with Dark theme. Then I jumped to Ubuntu Budgie and settled finally on CachyOS.
Vid for someone unsure what their first distro should be:
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BeardSpike
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New kernel just released Linux 6.15.0-2-cachyos, not a RC.
BeardSpike
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Post in thread 'AMD Radeon 9070XT review thread' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/amd-radeon-9070xt-review-thread.1681470/post-270582744
Linux Swisss Army gaming app in the making if he indeed does implement all of these features in ProtonPlus app.
Linux Swisss Army gaming app in the making if he indeed does implement all of these features in ProtonPlus app.
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BeardSpike
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I've been using it daily for SP games and web browsing plus general creativity work loads, with occasional dual boot to Windows only for MP games.
I'm on RC Kernel branch with RX 9070XT and there is already a newer kernel RC 6.16x.x
OS properly identifies GPU now instead of vague RX 9070/9070XT.
LACT identifies my whole GPU with brand and whatnot.
FSR4 works with hacked Mesa fp8 drivers and hacked Proton fp8 with OptiScaler.
I've been getting a ton of updates for AMD ucode - so microcode.
Very impressed with it so far.
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Hudo
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Yep. Also using it daily for games and for work. Have an AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D and a 5090, everything worked out of the box without much fiddling, except for the occasional change of Proton versions or setting up a Bottle.
My work usually consists of writing code or writing papers. For writing code, I have my development environments containerized, so the distro doesn't matter all that much anyway (well... it makes my life easier if CUDA and the dev toolkits can be setup easily. Ironically, it's actually easier to do so on Arch than on Fedora, which is "officially" supported).
BeardSpike
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I've used Fedora/Nobara for a while, pretty neat distro. But Arch has much faster package manager, and gets tons of updates pretty fast.
And since I'm on newer GPU I get all the latest stuff for my RX 9070XT pretty easily.
I have almost all the apps I have on Windows and if not there is always an open source alternative so I'm very much like CachyOS so far.
Recording gameplay in replay buffer to RAM? GPU Screen Recorder.
Performance overlay? Mangohud.
Etc etc.
I can use Mangohud with Goverlay for FPS cap and whatnot.
I've been capping all my games with 90 FPS cap and it feels great, I've enabled VRR in screen settings also.
BeardSpike
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The biggest advantage Linux gaming has over Windows is that it downloads pre-compilated Shaders from Valve servers through Steam if game port doesn't have shader pre-compilation it helps a ton. No stutter fest, imho.
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Shockwave_Fox
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Is there a recommended best linux distro for using a gaming PC on the TV for a simple console like experience?
Ive looked into loads of distros (Bazzite, ChimeraOS, HoloISO, Arch, Fedora) and all the instructions/videos make it look so easy.....I dont wanna spank a load of money on PC parts and not be able to use it easily and how I want to.
Id only be using it for gaming on a 55" Samsung with a 9070XT and 7600X (if that makes any difference).
Ive looked into loads of distros (Bazzite, ChimeraOS, HoloISO, Arch, Fedora) and all the instructions/videos make it look so easy.....I dont wanna spank a load of money on PC parts and not be able to use it easily and how I want to.
Id only be using it for gaming on a 55" Samsung with a 9070XT and 7600X (if that makes any difference).
crackajack
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That this is even a question (with no clear answer) is one major downside of Linux.
Android managed to be one thing and differences are mostly of visual nature, thankfully people usually liking a close to vanilla thing more than a modified version. Would have been insane if Android also would have been forked to death, then probably doing much worse against Apple.
The Linux distribution madness hopefully dies one day, like Bada, Tizen, (webOS) and FirefoxOS did. Or if all those individual Linux flavours don't focus on one thing they will stay irrelevant, same as today.
The fork pictures of all the possible Linux distributions are just insane. A lot of variety serving almost no actual purpose, just mad egos and the opposite of cooperation.
LinuxOS should just be one thing, not just a kernel, and at install the only two choices should be between stable/older and rolling release/always up to date and between high/lower requirements desktop environment and corresponding packages. Installing different and additional things beyond essential driver, network and hw support, should come later, like in Windows.
Why do Linux distribution builders fetishise completely superficial crap, stuff no average user actually cares about at first, to make their bundle special?
Steam OS itself is also pointless if it will exist again for steam machines/regular PCs. They should have just said we run on Debian and then Arch and Steam modifies it for the needs of the handheld, and create another fork only for that specific handheld hw.
The open nature is probably a strength but they overspread already 2 or 3 decades ago. Each time I look at recommendations, every few years, there are new recommendations while the old ones usually are still there too. smh
Android managed to be one thing and differences are mostly of visual nature, thankfully people usually liking a close to vanilla thing more than a modified version. Would have been insane if Android also would have been forked to death, then probably doing much worse against Apple.
The Linux distribution madness hopefully dies one day, like Bada, Tizen, (webOS) and FirefoxOS did. Or if all those individual Linux flavours don't focus on one thing they will stay irrelevant, same as today.
The fork pictures of all the possible Linux distributions are just insane. A lot of variety serving almost no actual purpose, just mad egos and the opposite of cooperation.
LinuxOS should just be one thing, not just a kernel, and at install the only two choices should be between stable/older and rolling release/always up to date and between high/lower requirements desktop environment and corresponding packages. Installing different and additional things beyond essential driver, network and hw support, should come later, like in Windows.
Why do Linux distribution builders fetishise completely superficial crap, stuff no average user actually cares about at first, to make their bundle special?
Steam OS itself is also pointless if it will exist again for steam machines/regular PCs. They should have just said we run on Debian and then Arch and Steam modifies it for the needs of the handheld, and create another fork only for that specific handheld hw.
The open nature is probably a strength but they overspread already 2 or 3 decades ago. Each time I look at recommendations, every few years, there are new recommendations while the old ones usually are still there too. smh
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rodrigolfp
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Bazzite has a version that boots directly to Steam Big Picture mode. It's as simple as SteamOS for Steam gaming but as with any Linux distro, things became ugly outside Steam environment.
TheSHEEEP
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You are describing Windows.
Linux is as good as it is because it is NOT Windows.
Because it doesn't stem from a singular and misguided vision; instead from a cacophony (admittedly lol) of variance and distros the things that work for users get picked up by others and become standard in most of them over time.
Linux at its core (and even many distros) is not even meant for end user usage or experience.
It runs servers, it runs the internet, it runs half the planet precisely because of this sleekness. Trust me, I've seen Windows servers, the only devs who use it are those too old to "learn new tricks", and the rest knows better.
It just so happens that enough people cared to make it usable for end users that now there are many distros to do that.
Because it is special and does something different that they deem important enough to bother, that another distro didn't do, or not do well enough for them.
What you call "completely superficial crap" is important enough to someone (or multiple someones) to dedicate that much time to it - only showcasing how little you understand about what people want.
Would it be beneficial for Linux as a whole if there were less distros and people who create many of these "specialties" would instead work on improving existing ones?
Yes - but creating your own distro and "doing things the 'right way'" is a thousand times more motivating that becoming another cog in the machine of something much larger.
Besides, it is not that easy - Ubuntu, for example, (or rather Canonical, the parent company) has an absolutely absurd selection method for permanent devs on their team, you can't just "work for them" if you so decide.
Who the fuck cares what "the average user" wants?
You want to work on things that you care about - that's motivation and that's what drives real improvement.
If other people over time, including the average user, benefit from that: Awesome. But that's not what motivates anyone to spend their free time. And even if you pay them, money is not true motivation, you'll at best get "professional".
All those big distros you think should be the only ones?
Without fail every single one of them started as someone's passion project many years ago.
There is no "they" - again, in contrast to Windows/Microsoft. There is only individual projects with individual devs who largely spend their free time on making something better.
Why do you think Windows is so bad? Because almost nobody with a real passion works on it. Just cogs in a wheel wage slaving (highly paid wage slaving, mind you) away on something they'll mostly feel lukewarm about at best.
You are correct that the amount of distros is an issue for new people.
But on the other hand, due to the process I described first, the majority of those distributions have by now improved so much that honestly almost any of them are suitable for new users. Even many Arch-based ones - who would thought, even five years ago?
I want Linux to increase users as it has consistently done over the last years.
But I never want it to become the standard and be entirely lead by the lowest common denominator like Windows. No, thank you.
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rodrigolfp
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Oh, and as you have an AMD VGA, ChimeraOS also boots in Big Picture.
Shockwave_Fox
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Awesome thank you
Are they easy to use for a beginner to all this? I'm more than happy to troubleshoot and work things out but I'm not super versed in linux
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They are.
crackajack
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I know, hence I called it LinuxOS in one sentence, something that does not actually exist, but should imho. The absence of LinuxOS is the problem that allowed that distribution nightmare to grow.
Yes, and everyone thinks they do great original stuff, but all do basically the same, all wasting their time on almost more desktop environments then there are users, instead of cooperating on the almost same things. I guess only Debian, Ubuntu and SteamOS have actually significant number of users compared to most others. The rest are pass... vanity projects.
It took a soul sucking company to create Android. The first end user Linux derivate with proper success. While other Linux smartphone efforts failed as well. Users don't want choice, they want "it just works". Desktop could have been succesfull too since forever. And properly supported by printers, Nvidia etc No one cared to try that for desktop. And the passionate people certainly failed to provide. How is that better? Not even meant for them and projects only meaningful for them themselves? Isn't that the opposite of open source and sharing.
a ton of misguided egos, yes, worthless crap. At least Linus kept the Kernel together, while desktops never were very interesting to him, but he also sees the overabundance of choice rather critically when I watch and understand his comments correctly over the years.
I don't thinkt it is bad. Not at all. It's maintained by less passion but with a robust basis average devs want and need to engage with, without needing "passion", not needing to compiling a million versions just for the Debian forks where compatibility may or may not break within, while Slackware, Arch, Knoppix etc may or may not break for different reasons. I have no clue about it, but as I understand you can't just do something for Kernel 16mumbojumbo, you have to compile for Debian A and Debian B and Ubuntu C because all have dfferent packages installed and you have to adress and link all of them, which can be done with a limited variety, but is almost impossible with too much variation as it is now.
Exactly, because the Kernel is good. The rest is bloated garbage. Linux desktop could have been dominating Windows since decades, if egos/passion were not in the way.
Blender, GIMP, LibreOffice would also be much better with a ton of forks and passion, right? But they are not, and they are great because they don't split into a million mini projects. Those are competing with expensive or very expensive software, and everyone somehow managed to put their passion into one shared goal instead of doing their own, barely different thing.
seething left
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This post gave me cancer and made me want to tear my eyes out. I've read a lot of stupid shit on the internet over the last 30+ years, but this must be my top 5.
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Kataploom
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I think I've already shared this in another thread, but I've been using Bazzite for a while and it has been amazing, I just got Ratchet and Clank and you know those stutters hitches in the beginning portal travels scene? I get ZERO of that, it's just smooth as I've seen then on PS5 footage and my PC isn't even as powerful as the one DF tested in.
Durin
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I'd also throw in that ChimeraOS has a discord community as well, including most of the other gaming-focused distros like Bazzite, CachyOS and PikaOS (what I use now).
Most are fairly active so you can get help with anything from people actually working on the distro, or simply search for the answer someone else already got.
Shockwave_Fox
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Perfect thank you!
Just found out about cachyos yesterday - so many choices are out it's pretty cool.
Jinzo Prime
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I have to agree with you there, Blender, ffmpeg, and VLC have slowly become industry standards because they are one project, a bunch of tiny ones.
I also feel the same about Android. It's amazing how user friendly and solid Android is compared to any Linux distro. I hope Steam OS can do for desktop Linux as Android did for mobile.
Durin
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No problem, I mention it because I had some questions myself when I got started again with Linux, and Discords for the distros are usually one of the best places to go.
The other nice thing is many of these gaming distros cross-pollinate features from others, people who work on them communicate with each other, and some even have maintainers who work on multiple to some extent.
It really depends on if the group of developers provide a good enough product and stick with it long enough to get financial support from their users to keep it a well oiled machine. Blender even getting grants and corporate donations, but Blender also has multiple forks of it like Blenderforartists and Goo Engine. That said, the Blender Foundation is also collaborating with some of the Goo Engine people to develop a NPR (Non Photorealistic Rendering) pipeline to make it easier to produce stylized visuals in the software.