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Dicer

Banned
Have you tried using aptitude instead of apt-get? It gives up less easily when trying to resolve issues such as these.

It tired, it really did...

Code:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libgles1-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 10.3.0-0ubuntu2) but 10.4.0~git20140925.23247e80-0ubuntu0ricotz~trusty is installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

     Keep the following packages at their current version:
1)     libgles1-mesa [Not Installed]                      
2)     vlc [Not Installed]                                



Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
 

ricki42

Member
It tired, it really did...

Code:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libgles1-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 10.3.0-0ubuntu2) but 10.4.0~git20140925.23247e80-0ubuntu0ricotz~trusty is installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

     Keep the following packages at their current version:
1)     libgles1-mesa [Not Installed]                      
2)     vlc [Not Installed]                                

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]

Did you install any off those packages from third-party ppas? Or compile / install them manually? You could try uninstalling those packages, removing the ppa, and installing the default Ubuntu packages. Sometimes the external archives don't keep up, or are too new. I have had problems with them messing up dependencies.
Edit: looks like 10.4.0~git20140925.23247e80-0ubuntu0ricotz~trusty is from xorg-edgers.
 

Dicer

Banned
Did you install any off those packages from third-party ppas? Or compile / install them manually? You could try uninstalling those packages, removing the ppa, and installing the default Ubuntu packages. Sometimes the external archives don't keep up, or are too new. I have had problems with them messing up dependencies.
Edit: looks like 10.4.0~git20140925.23247e80-0ubuntu0ricotz~trusty is from xorg-edgers.

All ppa's were reset on the upgrade to 14.10, I can try that though as I have used the xorg-edgers in the past.

Edit: solution 2 in aptitude worked, had to downgrade some packages, but VLC is back, and I re-acquired wine 1.7 in the process, now everything is hummin along again (gnomes was a crashy mess so I am back to MATE again)
 

Prez

Member
Firefox runs on multiple cores. It's comparable to Chromium/Chrome for me on both Arch and Elementary.

EDIT: I may have lied. Several sites seem to suggest Servo is already out, but nobody seems to be reporting on its inclusion yet.

What about Chromium? Can't find a lot about that, pretty important if I'm going with a 1.6 Ghz CPU.
 

NotBacon

Member
What about Chromium? Can't find a lot about that, pretty important if I'm going with a 1.6 Ghz CPU.

There is so much more to a computer than just CPU clock speed. It really doesn't matter. Just try Chromium (or Chrome) and Firefox to see which you prefer.
 

Prez

Member
There is so much more to a computer than just CPU clock speed. It really doesn't matter. Just try Chromium (or Chrome) and Firefox to see which you prefer.

Are you sure? Would be a shame if the CPU is a bottleneck. It wouldn't be if either Firefox or Chromium is multi-threaded. I already know for sure that the integrated GPU and 4GB RAM won't be much of a problem for browsing with lots of tabs.

Can't try it out because I have yet to decide on which CPU to get.
 
Yeah, clock speed and number of cores alone doesn't tell the full story. If you're worried, spend a little more on the CPU.

However, also remember that Linux runs leaner than Windows. My laptop runs Arch with Gnome far better than it ever did Windows 8.
 

NotBacon

Member
Are you sure? Would be a shame if the CPU is a bottleneck. It wouldn't be if either Firefox or Chromium is multi-threaded. I already know for sure that the integrated GPU and 4GB RAM won't be much of a problem for browsing with lots of tabs.

Can't try it out because I have yet to decide on which CPU to get.

Dude, I've installed Linux on 10 year old computers with 1gb of ram and Intel Celerons and it ran swiftly. Linux systems are uber-efficient. You'll be fine with whatever you choose software or hardware wise.
 
My dad's desktop had Windows 7 installed for about a year and every few months he'd get a lot of malware or viruses. I finally decided to reformat and install Lubuntu. To my surprise, Lubuntu actually runs slower on his Pentium 4 631. I would have thought that with the smaller footprint, it would be blazing fast compared to W7... anyone have the same experience?
 

Prez

Member
My dad's desktop had Windows 7 installed for about a year and every few months he'd get a lot of malware or viruses. I finally decided to reformat and install Lubuntu. To my surprise, Lubuntu actually runs slower on his Pentium 4 631. I would have thought that with the smaller footprint, it would be blazing fast compared to W7... anyone have the same experience?

Sure you got the latest release? Did you do a native install or did you use Wubi? Did you install the 32 or 64-bit version? Check this out:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1342668

Also tell your dad to visit safer porn sites... Or get the pro version of malwarebytes, it's not such a bad deal.
 
Sure you got the latest release? Did you do a native install or did you use Wubi? Did you install the 32 or 64-bit version? Check this out:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1342668

Also tell your dad to visit safer porn sites... Or get the pro version of malwarebytes, it's not such a bad deal.

Got the latest release from Lubuntu's website. Native install. 64-bit version. All packages updated.

Maybe I should try Ubuntu instead.
 

Prez

Member
Got the latest release from Lubuntu's website. Native install. 64-bit version. All packages updated.

Maybe I should try Ubuntu instead.

Try that, the hardware should not be a problem for Ubuntu. If it's still slow then I don't know, but someone else should be able to help you out.
 

Slavik81

Member
My dad's desktop had Windows 7 installed for about a year and every few months he'd get a lot of malware or viruses. I finally decided to reformat and install Lubuntu. To my surprise, Lubuntu actually runs slower on his Pentium 4 631. I would have thought that with the smaller footprint, it would be blazing fast compared to W7... anyone have the same experience?

That's kind of surprising. It runs well on my Intel Atom-based system, which seemed roughly as powerful as the Pentium 4 (Windows XP) system it replaced.

If you have less than 4GB of RAM, I would consider trying the 32-bit version, though. Going 64bit has both costs and benefits.
 

petran79

Banned
That's kind of surprising. It runs well on my Intel Atom-based system, which seemed roughly as powerful as the Pentium 4 (Windows XP) system it replaced.

If you have less than 4GB of RAM, I would consider trying the 32-bit version, though. Going 64bit has both costs and benefits.

Problem isnt with the computer.
I had Ubuntu 10.04 on a Toshiba Netbook Remix and recently upgraded to 14.04.
System runs almost as well as 4 years ago.

Problem is that Web pages are much more demanding and bloated compared to 5 years ago.
I have either to block ads or run pages on lighter Midori.
 

Prez

Member
Have you decided on a CPU yet? If so, how's it working out for you?

I don't have anything yet but I decided I want something that doesn't require any extra fans and has a DC out. The PSU options are very limited unfortunately. The only AM1 motherboard with a DC input is the ASRock and that would drive the cost of the 5350 + motherboard to €110. I've also considered Intel J1900 since there's an ASRock motherboard with that chip that has a DC input. That would be quite a bit cheaper at €70 but apparently that CPU gets very hot (it's fanless) and I'm afraid that wouldn't be a good idea in the case I want (Lian Li PC Q07 which doesn't have the best airflow). Not to mention it's integrated and not as good as the 5350 so it's not as future proof.

Sadly there's no better alternative for me and I'm sure there won't be for quite some time to come. Maybe I should wait for a desktop Beema/Mullins solution. It sure would have been nice if all the AM1 motherboards had a DC in though.
 

Prez

Member
Why DC input? Is this computer for a special purpose?

The entire system will be 30W on average (15W idle, and will never exceed 60W). A 300W PSU is overload and not efficient at those levels. Anything below 300W is trash it seems, no company bothers to make a decent quality low power PSU.

The only other alternative is a picoPSU but that with a cheaper motherboard would just be the same price as the ASRock motherboard with DC in.

On the other hand, the Intel J1900 is even more power efficient and it's a cheaper way to get the DC in, but it has a lousy integrated GPU and gets quite hot so I'd still have to buy a fan for the CPU.

I can afford it though, I just wish I could have the perfect solution :p
 

Prez

Member
The Wii U of PCs huh? Sounds interesting for sure.

What's more, the total set-up including 4GB RAM, a 128GB SSD, quality case and a good power brick shouldn't exceed $300. That gets you silky smooth performance for home use and multimedia. It's also dead quiet, low power and runs cool.
 
What's more, the total set-up including 4GB RAM, a 128GB SSD, quality case and a good power brick shouldn't exceed $300. That gets you silky smooth performance for home use and multimedia. It's also dead quiet, low power and runs cool.
Pardon my skepticism, but I'll wait to see how it turns out for you. A cheap, low powered computer would be great for me, but I'd have future proofing concerns with the CPU/GPU combo.

It does sound great though.
 

this_guy

Member
The Wii U of PCs huh? Sounds interesting for sure.

I bought something similar about 2 months ago.

Gigabyte AMD A8-5545M (it's $255 now on Amazon, but I bought it at $229)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I0G7E7S/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Add in ram and an ssd hard drive and it's a nice little machine. I use it for my desktop because I don't play games any more. Dual booting Windows 8 and Fedora KDE. Everything boots up quick and since web browsing is 99% of my usage it gets the job done.
 

Prez

Member
Pardon my skepticism, but I'll wait to see how it turns out for you. A cheap, low powered computer would be great for me, but I'd have future proofing concerns with the CPU/GPU combo.

It does sound great though.

Yeah, I'm not too terribly impressed by the available options for desktops, especially compared to some mobile processors. Maybe I'll hold out a little longer but I have no idea how soon something better will come along. An AM1 beema CPU would be terrific, but I'm not even sure if that will ever be released.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Xubuntu 14.10

screenshot-10052014-1rwi49.png
 

zoku88

Member
Has anyone ever had the problem of right after signing in, gtk3 applications load very slowly?

Like, I sign into i3, start empthy, takes like 30s. Once that finishes loading, other gtk3 applications will load instantly. If I'm logging into GNOME, the shell will take a long time to load, but other gtk3 applications will be fine after that finishes.

I'm not seeing this on my (much much weaker) laptop with intel integrated gfx, just my desktop with Nvidia GPU. :-/

Anyone know what's up? This happened with my previous install and my current install (just a week old.)
 
Has anyone ever had the problem of right after signing in, gtk3 applications load very slowly?

Like, I sign into i3, start empthy, takes like 30s. Once that finishes loading, other gtk3 applications will load instantly. If I'm logging into GNOME, the shell will take a long time to load, but other gtk3 applications will be fine after that finishes.

I'm not seeing this on my (much much weaker) laptop with intel integrated gfx, just my desktop with Nvidia GPU. :-/

Anyone know what's up? This happened with my previous install and my current install (just a week old.)
Do you have a slow hard drive? Like 5400rpm?

If so, I'd suggest an SSD, I boot in ~7 seconds and everything is loaded and ready to go, no extra time spent waiting for the platter drive to find everything it needs.
 

zoku88

Member
Do you have a slow hard drive? Like 5400rpm?

If so, I'd suggest an SSD, I boot in ~7 seconds and everything is loaded and ready to go, no extra time spent waiting for the platter drive to find everything it needs.

I have multiple SSDs. And even a slow hard drive wouldn't explain it, because it JUST affects gtk3. qt is fine. I haven't tried something with gtk2, hmm..
 
I have multiple SSDs. And even a slow hard drive wouldn't explain it, because it JUST affects gtk3. qt is fine. I haven't tried something with gtk2, hmm..

Oh, then I have no idea. I used to have a Turion64 laptop with an older ATI mobile GPU that was slow as hell on certain tasks due to driver issues.
 
I just realized you never received an answer from anybody here. I don't know what the problem is, but it doesn't sound driver related to me if you can successfully print at least once. If you do figure out the problem, let us know though.

Well, I guess it seems to have been a driver issue the whole time. This summer Samsung released a specific driver for my printer and it has been working great ever since. On the off chance if you are trying to use a Samsung ML-1860 laser printer under Linux, you don't need to use the generic "1800 series" driver any more, if you use the new one it works:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/ML-1860/XEU
 
So I decided to install Ubuntu Gnome on an external hard drive. As long as I use it on PCs with a 64bit instruction set, I should be ok, right? Not gaming or anything, so I'm using open source display drivers.
 

zoku88

Member
Well, I guess it seems to have been a driver issue the whole time. This summer Samsung released a specific driver for my printer and it has been working great ever since. On the off chance if you are trying to use a Samsung ML-1860 laser printer under Linux, you don't need to use the generic "1800 series" driver any more, if you use the new one it works:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/ML-1860/XEU

Samsung has a unified print driver now, as well.
 

Quixzlizx

Member
I'm currently running xfce/ubuntu on an i3 acer 720p chromebook using crouton. However, the Chrome OS keyboard shortcuts don't seem to be supported by crouton. Is there any way I can re-enable them, or does anyone have a suggestion for the best software I can use to create custom shortcuts? I at least need to get home/end/pgup/pgdn working. Thanks.
 

Quote

Member
I'm running Raspbian on my Pi, and I'm wondering if there is a way to automate startx -> open a specific file in Image Viewer fullscreen?
 

injurai

Banned
I've also heard a lot of praise on OpenSUSE recently, I think I might give it a go here soon. I'm so entrenched in "debuntu" land that I haven't explored much beyond with the exception of Arch.
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
I've run into a couple of people as of late that have been singing its praises. What makes it so great for you?
Mostly, I didn't have to fight for anything I really wanted. Pure GNOME, beautifully integrated LibreOffice, fast and responsive.

I use new releases to scraped off all the barnacles that collect during the year, and this will make it feel sleek and new again.
 

ricki42

Member
So last night I tried to upgrade from Xubuntu 14.04 to 14.10. I used the update-manager, and it all seemed to go well. But when I rebooted, I got this:
I have no clue what went wrong there. I reinstalled 14.10 from USB, but same result. So I installed 14.04 again. Red error screen gone, but still didn't boot. I also noticed that the mouse no longer worked in the BIOS. I removed the motherboard battery and cleared the CMOS. BIOS was OK again, but still no boot. I ended up reinstalling 14.04 yet again, and that finally worked.

So now I'm basically back where I was, minus a bunch of modified configuration files.
Does anyone know what went wrong here and how I can fix that? The motherboard is an Asus Z97-A. I flashed a newer BIOS version a while back, but 14.04 doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
 
Mostly, I didn't have to fight for anything I really wanted. Pure GNOME, beautifully integrated LibreOffice, fast and responsive.

I use new releases to scraped off all the barnacles that collect during the year, and this will make it feel sleek and new again.

Ah, so it's the experience of building from the ground up instead of stripping down a new release. I loved that about Arch as well. Basically made a developer Chromebook out of it and I love it. You used *buntu before right?
 

Prez

Member
I have to say, after switching from Windows to Ubuntu a month ago with no prior experience with Linux, I just can't go back. It does everything I need and it's so much smoother than Windows on the same 6-year-old laptop. The only real issue I had was my USB audio interface not being compatible but I got another one and it was just plug and play. I love it.
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
Ah, so it's the experience of building from the ground up instead of stripping down a new release. I loved that about Arch as well. Basically made a developer Chromebook out of it and I love it. You used *buntu before right?
Correct. I used the GNOME build of Ubuntu, and it felt second class. Fedora feels like it is all built together.
 
I have to say, after switching from Windows to Ubuntu a month ago with no prior experience with Linux, I just can't go back. It does everything I need and it's so much smoother than Windows on the same 6-year-old laptop. The only real issue I had was my USB audio interface not being compatible but I got another one and it was just plug and play. I love it.
Time to start becoming a terminal master. You'll despise navigation of any other form afterward :)
 

injurai

Banned
I have to say, after switching from Windows to Ubuntu a month ago with no prior experience with Linux, I just can't go back. It does everything I need and it's so much smoother than Windows on the same 6-year-old laptop. The only real issue I had was my USB audio interface not being compatible but I got another one and it was just plug and play. I love it.

I did the same, went cold turkey in favor of Xubuntu. I solved just as many problems as I found myself solving on windows, and in the progress learned a lot. Especially for ubuntu, rarely is a problem truly difficult, it's mostly just sifting through solutions.

I am however back on Windows 7 for ffxiv... my damn friends. Which reminds me just how much better built windows managers and compositors in cathedral development. Really this has always been the biggest issue with linux for me, It will be interesting to see where Wayland and Mir get us in the next 10 years. Because just 10 years ago linux was that much more unapproachable on the gui side.

Regardless I'm mostly a terminal user, I just get annoyed none the less. Oh and development is so so much nicer in linux world. I literally do not understand how certain concepts could be learned on windows. You get such a more pure view of all the levels of abstraction.
 

JohnChang

Banned
I tried Steam on Xubuntu recently, awesome, not all the games in my Library function on Linux but the games that were available all worked good, didn't get to compare FPS thought to Windows as I haven't played those games in ages (CS source, Day of Defeat, half-life 2 multi).

Also installed Linux Mint on my uncles 6+ year old HP laptop, he loves it, says its fast again vs Windows Vista which used to be on it.
 
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