rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Can I do the same for WoW, Genshin Impact, BFME2...???
Linux is the future of gaming if Microsoft do not do something
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Ar¢tos
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Dunno, I don't play online shit.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
BFME2 is not online but of course you don't know that.
Ar¢tos
Member
Most games work, it's not perfect, but it keeps gradually getting better.
If you really need to play games that don't run on Linux there is always the option of dual boot.
IMHO, the least time people spend on windows, the better windows will get. Lack of competition leads to complacency.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Wake me up when everyone works with same or less tinkering.
I already do that on my 3 PCs.
Mister Wolf
Member
They basically want you to be charitable to Linux while gaining nothing gaming related, and losing plenty. Why even let it take up space?
Ar¢tos
Member
Gaining nothing?
You gain more privacy, more security (there is a fraction of malware targeting Linux compared to Windows), better performance in some cases and much much more control on what's happening in the background while you play games.
Mister Wolf
Member
You're on a gaming forum in a thread about Linux gaming. Most of us don't think the sky is falling because we use Windows. The ones that do just turn that stuff off. You bringing up Linux reaching parity with Windows in select games is like applauding a broken clock for being accurate twice a day. Linux can't even use AMD Adrenalin Software.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I have nothing to hide in my gaming PCs, don't get virus since ~Windows ME, and I don't even have proper control over my video drivers as I don't have a Radeon or GeForce control panels. Not even in my freaking Steam Deck that should be more curated by AMD and Valve.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You legit do less tinkering on a bazzite system.
I installed bazzite for my best friend. He installed the system, logged into his Steam account and was ready to game.
Unlike windows where you have to adjust all the settings, run debloat, etc. Install drivers,
Fess
Member
Yeah I've had an old(ish) music production focused PC going in and out of sleep mode for years. I just wake it up by pressing the power button. It never fails, it's been super stable.
But I got Windows 11 on it just now, so time will tell if that makes it less trustworthy. Initial impression is good.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Yes, exactly. That's the key. Gaming is obviously less polished on Linux than it is on Windows. I don't think anyone in this thread ever suggested otherwise? Needless to say it seems a bit.. specific for anyone to dismiss Linux entirely just because gaming is objectively worse. If all you're doing on the machine is gaming, you might have a case, but even then all the drawbacks of Windows are hard to ignore. Tolerating all that just for an ever decreasing percentage of Steams library.
Mister Wolf
Member
This is a gaming forum with a thread created about Gamers Nexus reporting Linux gaming benchmarks using a polarizing topic titled "Linux is the future of gaming." This conversation has always been about gaming. Steering the conversation elsewhere is a derail.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Stripping away all of the context to help you win some stupid online argument might be a good strategy in this thread. Rooting for you.
Mister Wolf
Member
Windows doesn't need any help vs Linux winning a gaming related conversation. The benchmarks, compatibility issues, and facts about what's lost switching to Linux are all out there plain to see. Many cited several times in this very thread. You guys are the ones that need to steer the conversation outside of gaming on a gaming forum. Comes across as desperate for a win.
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Broad Spectrum
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The reason he wants you to do that is because it fits his agenda and argument. Wait until he starts making up statistics on the fly to win an argument like he did in another thread.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Neither did IBM in the 80s
Anyone with an AMD GPU/CPU absolutely should give Bazzite a try. It's foolish to not consider it.
On an nvidia GPU, I'd hold off on until the new Vulkan instruction set comes out that should correct the DX12 to Vulkan translation issues. When will this happen? Hopefully in the next couple of months.
falconhoof
Member
had that problem with Windows 10. PC kept turning itself on during the night. Had to lock off USB and LAN start I think. All went fine. Windows updated, it came back, fixed again, Windows update, came back.
Cat and fucking mouse games.
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Kacho
Gold Member
Well the Steam Survey will tell all. Going by the Linux power users in this thread, Linux usage will skyrocket in the coming years. No sense in arguing endlessly until that happens but I respect the enthusiasm.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
All I know is turned this off over a year ago and it still stayed off. I would double check your settings.
falconhoof
Member
Found a site that tracks the history of the Steam survey
GitHub - jdegene/steamHWsurvey: Data & Script to collect current months steam hardware survey data or past data from
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Everybody should want competition for WIndows. Microsoft seems determined to turn it into a AI advertising filth.
ROG Ally Xbox is somewhat of a sign that they take the threat of SteamOS somewhat seriously and that there are some people in Microsoft that recognize these issues.
Do those people have any serious sway. I doubt it.
There are simply no downsides to Linux gaining marketshare. None. It is remarkable what a community of people and Valve have done.
Kacho
Gold Member
I use SteamOS on the Deck. It's fine. Nothing I'd use as a daily driver on my PC, but it's nice as a complement to my Windows PC. Will probably get a Steam Machine at some point, so I'm doing my part to spread the love.
alabtrosMyster
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I mean, I installed Bazzite... logged into Steam and my games worked, I didn't even have to touch the keyboard and mouse to do the initial setup.Yeah. I make Lutris, Heroic, etc and protondb things "made up".
I'm not sure how simpler you want it to be, the last time I used Windows on my personal computers was a few months ago (unless you count my local file server, which I haven't bothered converting yet)... anyway, it required more initial fiddling, even if we put aside all the MS related BS.
Install windows
Install vendor video card drivers
Install Steam
Install game + required DLLs (Steam does that in the background on the Linux side)
Then hope it works.
Many oldish games are no longer compatible with Windows, these always require much more work than they do on a Linux gaming distro.
For potential issues, there are issues with Windows as well, the only difference is that you are used to those (assuming you have any).
As a bonus, when waking my computer from sleep under Windows my received would not catch the image, so I had to force it to reboot, now that all works, so I can use sleep mode and wake the machine normally with the keyboard.
negator2vc
Member
Give me names! These people need to be destroyed
and how Iron Man said it in Iron Man 3? With extreme prejudice!
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah, it's patently hilarious anyone saying that Linux requires a lot of tinkering for gaming. In the event that something in Linux DOES require tuning, there are usually (and I stress usually, certainly not always) pretty easy tutorials to follow. With windows, you sometimes get that, but you also get a ton of spam links asking you to download an app.
Mister Wolf
Member
Linux can't even use Nvidia App or AMD Adrenalin.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Fair argument, but IMO it's hardly a deal breaker, unless you do some very unique tweaks.
Anyone that has a high end nvidia GPU I wont try and argue that they should use Linux. It's simply not ready until they can optimize the DX12 to Vulkan translation.
Most of the important features are present in the SteamOS itself. You can tweak quite a bit. There are also 3rd party tools that can do much of what those use including undervolting.
Admittedly I haven't used them, so I can't say how well they work or how user friendly they are.
Mister Wolf
Member
Lose access to the application created by the GPU maker intended to control the GPU. Brilliant.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Anyone care for a cool talk with the creator of Linux?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I am planning to buy a Steam Machine because gaming is the only reason I need to replace my old laptop. The laptop is still good for everything not-gaming so I don't care that Steam machine can't fully replace it.
I am sure in a few years I would figure out how to play around the Linux system, just by tinkering around. I am not jumping in head first or anything.
I am sure in a few years I would figure out how to play around the Linux system, just by tinkering around. I am not jumping in head first or anything.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Linux gaming machines (including Steam Deck) can't run Fortnite, Roblox, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA, Genshin Impact or any other Mihoyo game, PUBG, Destiny 2, etc.
Basically the games that 80% of gamers play don't work on Steam Deck or any other Linux gaming machine
If you self-exclude yourself from most of the gaming market, you shouldn't be shocked that most gamers will just stick with Windows no matter how much it sucks
I hate Windows as much as most PC gamers but I'm not dumb enough to think Linux is the future of anything when no one cares enough to even make Linux run the games the vast majority of gamers actually play
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Mister Wolf
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I was wondering why they always bring up Lossless Scaling Frame Gen. It's because they can't use AMD FMF or even AMD RIS and AMD Anti-Lag for that matter. Shit is silly. Literally cutting your nose off to spite your face. The kicker is they get zero gaming benefits switching to Linux Desktop.
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Topher
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I think most have acknowledged that for Linux to make any headway then something has to change with regard to those types of games. Not exactly an original take there my man
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well if it's that obvious why hasn't anyone who claims to support "Linux gaming" done anything about it after all these years?
Surely there is a way to emulate enough of whatever kernel-level anti-cheat in Windows does to make Linux pass when the game checks for it
Topher
Identifies as young
Steam OS is just over three years old. The first step was to get Windows playable on Linux at all, which is what Proton has done. I'm sure if anti-cheat was as simple as you make it out to be then it would already be done so I'm guessing there is more to it. Do you really think Valve isn't aware of the issue?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You can't be serious. The whole point of kernel level coding is to code to the level of the very core of the computer. The idea being that you can't fake the core. If it is so easy to fake it then they wouldn't have bothered. And kernel level anticheat is bad in general because it can brick your computer.
In any case, this is an artificial limitation whereby game studios decided to only let Windows run these games. This is not hardware faults, this is just game devs blocking all other OS. And that means Linux could run these games as soon as the game devs LET them, not because of some superiority of Windows.
Crayon
Member
You get gamescope and shaders
Stutter fix. A lot of games run better. Keep ignoring this?
Unknown Soldier
Member
I never said it was "simple", merely that the people who use Linux don't see it as important enough to do anything about it. This goes especially for Valve, which last I checked was founded and led by ex-Microsoft employee Gabe Newell. Anyone who thinks Big Gabe isn't still tight with his old pals at MS aren't paying attention. Valve likes the contribution to their revenues from Windows running Steam (95%+ of their revenues probably) and have no reason to try and kill their golden goose for ideological purposes
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Time for the weekly "Linux is the future" thread. These are not grounded in reality.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
The vast majority of gaming PC's run Windows. Developers use kernel-level anti-cheat because they know the vast majority of their players run Windows. You have cause and effect reversed here. The devs aren't purposely using low level coding to Windows to exclude other OS'es. Instead what they are doing is trying to reduce cheating in their games and it happens everyone who plays their games runs Windows. If more than like 5 people on Earth actually wanted desperately to play Fortnite and refused to just use Windows or their phones, the dev of Fortnite would care enough to find a way to make it run on Linux
The Windows kernel itself is closed source, which is the likely technical reason why it's so difficult to simply emulate it for the purposes of passing kernel-level anti-cheat for gaming not to mention the legal challenges actually trying to do this would likely cause. You can't just translate API calls to get around not being Windows like what WINE/Proton does
alabtrosMyster
Member
Yup, that saves us from game ready kind of BS.
Crayon
Member
Closed source modules can be loaded on the Linux kernel. That shouldn't be a huge deal. Getting epic et al to go with it might be the harder part.
Topher
Identifies as young
It isn't even up to Valve. It is up to the publishers and they don't see enough Linux users to justifiy the effort at this point.
Yeah....of course Valve isn't going to sacrifice their Windows gaming revenue. Who suggested anything of the sort? Either way, obviously Game Newell wants to make Linux a bigger deal in gaming and has put significant investment into it. Last I checked he doesn't need permissions from his "old pals at MS" to do any of this.
Kacho
Gold Member
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The whole point of anti-cheat is to control who gets to play the game. But my point is that it is insane to blame Linux for being locked out of certain game titles when it is the choice of the game devs to do so, not Linux. Windows is NOT superior to Linux just because some software had default exclusivity, which is what the anti-cheat ended up being.
There was a software at my work that was designed to run on Internet Explorer. Then Microsoft renamed IE to Edge, and the software just bricks itself and accuse me of trying to run it on Safari. The Software was designed to run on IE, and Edge technically is just the successor, but the software just outright refuse to run because it didn't recognize Edge as a valid internet browser. In that situation you don't blame Microsoft, you blame the software dev who didn't update properly to ALLOW IT.
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