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[Irobot82]

I think I'll start with a 4TB SATA SSD like a BX500 or something and start farting around off that with Bazzite. I really really want to ditch windows. I really only need Steam, Brave Browser and that's about it.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I'm talking about the ads on the right side

In search settings.

 

[falconhoof]

How do you get rid of this shit? Not typing anything and I get ads in Windows.

Upgrade to Windows 10

 

[Topher]

In search settings.

Thanks!

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Then I will deactivate those features again. It's much better than my games not working, working with broken features or needing significant more tinkering to work.

You're blowing the issues on the Linux side way put of proportion.

Some games running at 150 vs 170 on one or the other is a non issue, my TV only does 120.

I get respect and control over my stuff.

Anyway, things are moving in the right direction, you can hop in whenever you feel ready.

 

[Minari]

I always get a good laugh when i see this pic when i scroll down on /g/

bonus.
(That KSI hairline dawg)

 

[Crayon]

Fuck it. I just went full Bazzite on my main rig. I booted up the live, had no issues, installed as dual boot. Was playing games within 15 minutes on my 4080S. Converting all my drives to EXT4 right now.

Oh shit, I can't play F1 25 and BF6 that I just bought. I can keep the dual boot and do that, or I can just make a VM and passthrough some gfx and ta-da.

People are weird about thier computers. There's really nothing much that would really hold you back except personal preference. Ya it's different to get around but you can still find your way. I'm what would be considered a hardcore PC user and my main rig is a glorified Internet Kiosk that plays games. What am I really doing that requires Windows??

Oh and my DNS requests at home have gone down 50% in the last 3 days I've done this, I wonder why?

Number 1 fix when you find a game that doesn't work; In steam, go to properties, compatibility, and try a few different proton versions. Don't be afraid to be going back to kind of older ones. I try proton experimental first, if that wasn't the default, and then roll it back skipping 1-2 versions at a time. ymmv but this is the fix 90% of the time for a game that doesn't launch for me.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Then I will deactivate those features again. It's much better than my games not working, working with broken features or needing significant more tinkering to work.

I am curious, which games are you referring to?

Do you play anti-cheat games? I have yet to have a major issue playing games in Linux.

 

[rodrigolfp]

You're blowing the issues on the Linux side way put of proportion.

Some games running at 150 vs 170 on one or the other is a non issue, my TV only does 120.

I get respect and control over my stuff.

Anyway, things are moving in the right direction, you can hop in whenever you feel ready.

I am talking about my experiences with several distros, currently Fedora, Nobara and SteamOS.

Ironic you mention "control over my stuff" while we don't even have a decent Nvidia and AMD control panel like on Windows.

I am curious, which games are you referring to?

Do you play anti-cheat games? I have yet to have a major issue playing games in Linux.

Like Wuthering Waves still not playing cutscenes that are videos, I only get sound and a black screen. Or gazilions of non Steam games that need "Lutris" and luck with a wine or proton version that works without issues like missing geometry/textures/effects like my Lego Batman.

 

[Crayon]

Like Wuthering Waves still not playing cutscenes that are videos, I only get sound and a black screen. Or gazilions of non Steam games that need "Lutris" and luck with a wine or proton version that works without issues like missing geometry/textures/effects like my Lego Batman.

O c'mon gazillions of games. I can't believe there wouold be that much difference in our setups - unless that's the difference between amd and nvidia. That would be pretty bad. If not that, then steam deck would not fly.

When proton came out, I would check protondb before buying games. After a while where it improved, I would just buy the games, test them to make sure they start, and refund if they didn't. Now, I just assume the game will work. Don't check anything, don't test anything. Proton is that reliable.

 

[rodrigolfp]

O c'mon gazillions of games. I can't believe there wouold be that much difference in our setups - unless that's the difference between amd and nvidia. That would be pretty bad. If not that, then steam deck would not fly.

When proton came out, I would check protondb before buying games. After a while where it improved, I would just buy the games, test them to make sure they start, and refund if they didn't. Now, I just assume the game will work. Don't check anything, don't test anything. Proton is that reliable.

Wuthering Waves is free and Lego Batman EPIC gave me.

 

[Crayon]

Wuthering Waves is free and Lego Batman EPIC gave me.

WW i was just going to download and try since you said it's free. But 82gb fock lol. Nah. Protondb says gold but I'm seeing a lot of tweeks in the comments boxes. Practically nobody saying it works perfect out of the box.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

WW i was just going to download and try since you said it's free. But 82gb fock lol. Nah. Protondb says gold but I'm seeing a lot of tweeks in the comments boxes. Practically nobody saying it works perfect out of the box.

ProtonDB is a god send resource.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

O c'mon gazillions of games. I can't believe there wouold be that much difference in our setups - unless that's the difference between amd and nvidia. That would be pretty bad. If not that, then steam deck would not fly.

When proton came out, I would check protondb before buying games. After a while where it improved, I would just buy the games, test them to make sure they start, and refund if they didn't. Now, I just assume the game will work. Don't check anything, don't test anything. Proton is that reliable.

nvidia is still rather mid in linux. Its better performance wise but I find that it has other stability issues.

There were rumors that nvidia was making a dedicated gaming laptop with an ARM CPU, but couldn't get the performance.

If nvidia wanted to make a powerplay, they could make their own Linux OS. If that happened, people would listen.

Unfortunately, they only care about AI right now....

 

[Broad Spectrum]

nvidia is still rather mid in linux. Its better performance wise but I find that it has other stability issues.

There were rumors that nvidia was making a dedicated gaming laptop with an ARM CPU, but couldn't get the performance.

If nvidia wanted to make a powerplay, they could make their own Linux OS. If that happened, people would listen.

Unfortunately, they only care about AI right now....

I ran a 3080 in Linux for over a year alongside a separate Windows install. Didn't notice that much of a difference in performance

It's currently running Bazzite on my girlfriend's PC and she never mentions problems.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I ran a 3080 in Linux for over a year alongside a separate Windows install. Didn't notice that much of a difference in performance

It's currently running Bazzite on my girlfriend's PC and she never mentions problems.

Once they get the DX12 to Vulkan conversion issues fixed then I might make Bazzite my gaming desktop on my 4090.

Hopefully that isn't too fasr off. There is reason to be optimistic.

 

[Crayon]

Once they get the DX12 to Vulkan conversion issues fixed then I might make Bazzite my gaming desktop on my 4090.

Hopefully that isn't too fasr off. There is reason to be optimistic.

I just caught up on that a bit. Nvidia says they identified the problem and are working on it, so it's just a matter of time. That will get an obstacle out of the way for a lot of people.

 

[falconhoof]

GitHub - winapps-org/winapps: Run Windows apps such as Microsoft Office/Adobe in Linux (Ubuntu/Fedora) and GNOME/KDE as if they were a part of the native OS, including Nautilus integration. Hard fork of https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/

Run Windows apps such as Microsoft Office/Adobe in Linux (Ubuntu/Fedora) and GNOME/KDE as if they were a part of the native OS, including Nautilus integration. Hard fork of https://github.com/Fmst...

github.com

Dunno if this is well known already but I just came across it on Hacker News.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I just caught up on that a bit. Nvidia says they identified the problem and are working on it, so it's just a matter of time. That will get an obstacle out of the way for a lot of people.

If I am understanding correctly, its a mix between vulkan, nvidia and even how proton translates instructions.

Once that gets fixed, they can concentrate on bugs, adding in features, etc.

However, don't expect the open-source nvidia drivers to be viable for a LONG while.

Open-Source Nouveau+NVK vs. NVIDIA 580 Linux Gaming/Graphics & Compute Driver Performance - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

These benchmarks will make you sick.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

For those of you who dont want to use Linux, here is a pretty good video on how to properly setup Windows 11 LTSC for gaming.

Tech YES City is actually a pretty good channel. I got a lot of good undervolting info from his channel. I learned how to undervolt my 4090 and actually cut power consumption down by quite a bit and made the 12VHPWR connector melting less likely.

 

[Wolzard]

I ran a 3080 in Linux for over a year alongside a separate Windows install. Didn't notice that much of a difference in performance

It's currently running Bazzite on my girlfriend's PC and she never mentions problems.

These are some games in DX12, not all. Mostly those using Unreal Engine 5. The engine likely uses some extension that isn't compatible with Nvidia's method of implementing Vulkan.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

These are some games in DX12, not all. Mostly those using Unreal Engine 5. The engine likely uses some extension that isn't compatible with Nvidia's method of implementing Vulkan.

Which is why Vulkan is getting patched supposedly.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Not happening.

 

[Crayon]

I've tried "steamos" distros a few times and they were always no-go right from the start. Not today! It's been awhile so I loaded up the bazzite-deck image and everything works perfectly.

It can be slightly less convenient to start the game session compared to just minimizing bpm, but it's worth it. SteamOS Compositor aka gamescope was always great. I haven't used it since the old debian-based steamos2. An underappreciated game changer from the start and I've missed it.

It's soooooo smooooooth. In more ways than one. And I can change the settings from the steam overlay, now. Nice.

 

[Fess]

People are weird about thier computers. There's really nothing much that would really hold you back except personal preference. Ya it's different to get around but you can still find your way. I'm what would be considered a hardcore PC user and my main rig is a glorified Internet Kiosk that plays games. What am I really doing that requires Windows??

There can be a performance loss with Nvidia cards, 5-25% depending on game and settings, and you still can't play many Gamepass games on Linux.

So it depends on your hardware and what you're playing how smooth that transition is. It's really not for everyone.

A dual boot is an option. But what's the actual upside?

Take someone like myself as an example, I use Nvidia's graphics cards in all my PCs and play almost all new games through Gamepass. My goal is one list of games in one spot. Currently using Windows on a living room PC and boot into Playnite for all launcher libraries in the same nice big screen UI, plus an extension which add the Gamepass library, and I have no real problem with anything tbh.
Why would I use Linux?

I wouldn't say I don't use Linux from personal preference, I just don't have a reason to swap. It would literally limit my access to games plus strip my hardware from performance I've paid a lot to have.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Anybody who thinks Linux is the future has never used it It would be nice to see Vavle or even Google try and make a PC OS system to put some proper pressure on Windows

In saying that, I haven't really enjoyed Windows since Vista ( liked it LOL) and the Win 98 SE days

 

[Tams]

It'll be Year of Linux on the desktop when Linux nerds stop fighting over which package manager to use.

Also, fuck Gamers Nexus.

 

[negator2vc]

I really hope NOT because this will attract even more normies and where normies go follows.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Not happening.

A decade ago you would have been right. But something has clicked and people are seriously looking for alternatives now. Once the choice was "staying with current windows or upgrade"? Now it is "Windows suck, I wish there is somewhere else to go."

 

[Mister Wolf]

A decade ago you would have been right. But something has clicked and people are seriously looking for alternatives now. Once the choice was "staying with current windows or upgrade"? Now it is "Windows suck, I wish there is somewhere else to go."

It has a 3% marketshare. No one is clamoring to switch to it. We will all be dead before it even makes it to 10%, if it ever even does that.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

It has a 3% marketshare. No one is clamoring to switch to it. We will all be dead before it even makes it to 10%, if it ever even does that.

That is not how it works. Market share is not like animal reproduction. You don't slowly take over. You either switch or don't switch.

You need two things:
1. a reason to switch.
2. a valid alternative to switch to.

Now, Steam OS still has some way to go. But "a reason to switch" is already at red alert. Customers are unhappy with Windows. And Microsoft does not care that you are unhappy. Microsoft assumes that there never will be an alternative and as such customers can suck it. So right now the only reason we are having this thread at all is because of Microsoft's own doing.

Do you think i WANT to switch? No, i want Windows to serve me and that is all i ever asked for. But Microsoft refuse to listen and clearly is just pushing and pushing... There is a red line somewhere.

 

[StereoVsn]

It does, it's like anything else that is irrelevant for the vast majority of people.

When I looked at the information I had a few pain points that I wanted to fix by moving away from Windows, while I kept my hardware.

Windows is nagware, so I wanted to take that out completely.
Keep gaming, if possible make it better in some ways.

It turns out that, for me, RT is a non factor, it makes games worse more often than not.

I know I'm not the only one, because of all the online drama about it.

Maybe even some people are fedup enough with the Windows BS situation that they will forego RT, even if they love it.

I don't know if you own a computer, to me it has been unbearable for a long time how Microsoft has treated its clients, and I decided to take action once and for all. Many people do, the proof is that we even get to have this conversation here, that would have been unthinkable not so long ago.

I mean, if you like Windows 11 that's on you, just say it and be done with it, because all these little things with Nvidia GPUs and RT performance are only a few patches away from being fixed. There are so many benefits to having an OS that you are meant to run and control by yourself, no bad surprises, no naggig to get service X or Y, have a Windows account (which I have, but I don't want to use it on my loving room PC, and I don't want to be asked if I am sure that I don't want to every time they get the chance to, I don't want to see the little cloud icon for one drive, I don't want to be offered whatever they feel like in the start menu, I don't want to have to worry about Clippy -- or whatever they call their AI -- to slow down my computer, or take a screenshot of something I do not want to share, so on and so forth).

If you're OK with this dispossession of your time good for you, to me this is much worse than any kind of hurdle (pretty little tbh) of moving to Linux.

Personally while I do want to go to Linux for my gaming PC, I am sticking with Windows until Nvidia support is on par. That needs to be including RT as there are games where I like RT implementation quite a bit vs baked lighting.

I do have Windows 11 LTSC install now (used to be Enterprise) with additional functionality added back so with that and a bit of tuning (and firewall blocks), there is no reporting, spyware or AI going on.

 

[StereoVsn]

You do.

The Ultimate Windows Utility

Having Fun with Technology

christitus.com

And the additional thing you should be doing is getting an Enterprise or LTSC keys and upgrading your Windows to that.

Then the above utility (be very careful about some of the functionality there, lol) and a few other things and you won't see BS from CoPilot and such.

Also, I strongly recommend turning off feature updates (if not on LTSC) for a year (or more). Current MS is terrible at QA.

 

[Fess]

Customers are unhappy with Windows.

Is that true though? I don't see it. The only ones among my friends who complain and talk seriously about using Linux are those who literally already use Linux. It's 2 people, they always complain.

And online there is a loud but still fairly small group of Linux users chatting about this, who likes to talk about how much better Linux is in some specific scenario where performance is ahead or who prefer SteamOS on handhelds or complain about a horrific AI future or whatever.

The big majority may certainly prefer one Windows version over another, or might be annoyed at the new Windows security requirements, but that's about it from what I can tell.

And the Nvidia situation needs to be fixed, it's the most popular brand on GPUs among gamers. Investing big on Nvidia hardware only to have performance lost due to the OS is going to be a major hype killer for anything Linux until that's sorted out.

 

[StereoVsn]

You didn't understand why I put the zombie image there, it's pretty simple really.

MS will re-activate these features and options that I take time to run a cleanup script to take out, it becomes like an infinite game of wac-a-mole.

They do the same with their utter lack of respect for your power settings, you can't even use the sleep mode on Windows, it just wakes the computer up every few seconds to do whatever spying MS feels like doing, they can't even wait until you use the computer.

So, I switched to Linux before going:

Umm… you can definitely make Windows not wake up. Usually it's USB devices, disable wake on them and you will be fine.

I did that for my PC and it never wakes up unless I manually awake it through Power button now.

For installing and pushing features without your approval… Enterprise (disable feature updates) or LTSC won't do that. In any case once you have the process down it would be maybe 5 min (less if you script it).

Yes, above is more technical than 90% of users would do, but this wouldn't be an issue for folks who can run Linux on their gaming PCs.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Customers are unhappy with Windows.

97% of the costumers are unhappy but use it anyway because it is still better overall.

 

[Wolzard]

I really hope NOT because this will attract even more normies and where normies go follows.

I've heard people say that there should only be one distro and that all the others should be eliminated.

 

[StereoVsn]

97% of the costumers are unhappy but use it anyway because it is still better overall.

To be fair, that's only for gaming. Macs are getting up to near 20% market share in US at least, less in Europe. Linux is probably another 5-6% (higher in Europe I think).

And running Linux for genera purpose stuff is actually much easier vs gaming, IMO. Throw Mint on an older PC and you would be mostly ok for basic stuff.

Throw in Chromebooks and it gets interesting.

Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats

This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

gs.statcounter.com

 

[Krathoon]

Microsoft already has a gaming mode on Windows. They just need to really trim it down. That is their problem. They keep adding stuff.

 

[StereoVsn]

Microsoft already has a gaming mode on Windows. They just need to really trim it down. That is their problem. They keep adding stuff.

They want all your data and want copilot AI driving OS. They may have a GameMode that adjusts some of that but fundamentally MS goals are different from what most gamers would want.

 

[rodrigolfp]

To be fair, that's only for gaming.

Yeah as per thread.

 

[Krathoon]

Apparently, running Returnal on a Legion Go with Windows really pushes it. I will have to try it out.

 

[Goalus]

Microsoft need to distribute their own Linux system. I definitely would be interested if it had the polish MS is widely know for.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Then you do it again in less than 1 minute.

Why do I have to keep disabling features that I disabled a couple of times already? Why do I need to uninstall software I already uninstalled?

I don't want to fight Microsoft, they want to make their OS something that I don't want, I have Linux now (Bazzite), this is computing bliss, no need to fight with the makers of the OS who are trying to sell me stuff I don't want, force me into habits I don't care for, force me to run their services, etc.

I have Linux, once I set it up as I like it just does what I want (which is really mostly the defaults). It doesn't bug me.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Why do I have to keep disabling features that I disabled a couple of times already? Why do I need to uninstall software I already uninstalled?

I don't want to fight Microsoft, they want to make their OS something that I don't want, I have Linux now (Bazzite), this is computing bliss, no need to fight with the makers of the OS who are trying to sell me stuff I don't want, force me into habits I don't care for, force me to run their services, etc.

I have Linux, once I set it up as I like it just does what I want (which is really mostly the defaults). It doesn't bug me.

You don't. It's an option and still mcuh faster that installing Linux and Lutris on top and pray to proton not having anything broken.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

You don't. It's an option and still mcuh faster that installing Linux and Lutris on top and pray to proton not having anything broken.

I'm starting to think that you are not very fast, or you just make stuff up.

 

[Soren01]

You don't. It's an option and still mcuh faster that installing Linux and Lutris on top and pray to proton not having anything broken.

That's a fact. Linux still requires adding an extra layer of steps just to play games

 

[rodrigolfp]

I'm starting to think that you are not very fast, or you just make stuff up.

Yeah. I make Lutris, Heroic, etc and protondb things "made up".

 

[Krathoon]

Anybody who thinks Linux is the future has never used it It would be nice to see Vavle or even Google try and make a PC OS system to put some proper pressure on Windows

In saying that, I haven't really enjoyed Windows since Vista ( liked it LOL) and the Win 98 SE days

I miss the old Win98-95 windows themes. I got Win98 in 86Box with all the cheesy themes installed.

 

[Ar¢tos]

That's a fact. Linux still requires adding an extra layer of steps just to play games

Installing Steam from the software manager?

It's all I did and then picked a game, pressed install and then pressed play.
There were no extra steps needed.