Linux is the future of gaming if Microsoft do not do something
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Mister Wolf
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Is this trueMister Wolf ?
A statement as silly as that doesn't even merit a response. I believe we provided enough evidence throughout this thread to showcase why switching from Windows to Linux for desktop PC gaming is a terrible decision. Even with my case of using a Xbox ROG Ally X, it would be a terrible decision.
polybius80
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Buggy Loop
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I think we found a a group of peoples even more annoying than vegans
Mister Wolf
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polybius80
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dont be afraid of showing more games
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ReBurn
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Internet Explorer wasn't renamed to Edge. Edge is a completely different architecture based on open source Chromium. It started as a successor to IE, but the decision to use Chromium made it a proper browser.
The most likely reason your app broke is that it was probably dependent on ActiveX, and if that's the case the app probably needed to die anyway.
ActiveX took everything safe about a web browser and completely destroyed it to provide low-level interoperability between web-based apps and Windows system functionality like native apps had. The safety standard for browsers was, and is, to try to completely wall off direct system interaction from the browser to keep a system safe. Microsoft took a crowbar made of ActiveX and broke all of those safeties because that's what stupid companies wanted and in doing so handed your whole computer to the internet. The only reason IE apps lived as long as they did is that the same stupid companies refused to build proper versions even when they knew the risks. It took Edge to force a meaningful change.
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kevboard
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it absolutely is a Linux issue.
Linux's fragmentation means it's nearly impossible to "support Linux". at best we could see developers support very specific distros.
so they'd have to decide which ones to support, so we would maybe get games that support only SteamOS, or only Bazzite.
you can't make a secure anticheat system that works on just any Linux version. meanwhile on the windows side, supporting only 1 version already means supporting millions of users. supporting 2 versions adds another couple of millions.
supporting SteamOS would maybe get you 3 million potential users, and realistically only a couple of thousand actual users.
Mister Wolf
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What I'm showing you is Linux shitting the bed in his own testing. How much time did he spend trying to resolve this issue on the supposedly simple and easy to use OS before he gave up on it and instead went about flapping his gums making excuses for Linux in his video.
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pudel
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Where is this from? I found now already 2 vids on YT running Witcher3 with 60fps on an ROG Ally X (with SteamOS)
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Mister Wolf
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The irony is that it was posted in this thread as some showcase for switching to Linux. Absurd ain't it?
pudel
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Its not absurd. He says himself, that something had to be wrong and that others had better results for Witcher3 (as you can see in every other benchmark). You just cherry picking this one game, where clearly something is wrong. Wow...impressive!
nani17
are in a big trouble
Said it earlier in the thread switching to Linux is not a good idea right now if you play multiplayer.
The list above has around 300 million players combined. Some on that list are in the top most played games on pc. How can you convince someone who plays these games to move over to Linux but they won't be able to play that game.??... duel boot is just a useless and waste of time.
Hopefully one day this will all change and we will have an option but at the moment there seems to be this madness or something where people believe everybody's going to switch within a year to two. People got hyped when they saw that PewDiePie video and now because zorin os was downloaded over a million times this is great fantastic news but how many of them stayed?
- Valorant (Blocked by Vanguard kernel-level anti-cheat)
- Fortnite (Blocked by Epic Games' anti-cheat, which is not enabled for Proton)
- Destiny 2 (Blocked by Bungie's anti-cheat; playing on Linux may result in a ban)
- Call of Duty: Warzone / Modern Warfare / Black Ops (Blocked by Ricochet anti-cheat)
- Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege (Blocked by BattlEye, not enabled by Ubisoft)
- Battlefield 2042 (and recent Battlefield titles) (Blocked by EA Javelin anti-cheat)
- Escape from Tarkov (Blocked by BattlEye, not enabled by developer)
- Apex Legends (Status often unstable or broken due to anti-cheat issues)
- EA Sports FC / FIFA (Newer Titles) (Blocked by EA Javelin anti-cheat)
- Grand Theft Auto V: Online (Online component blocked by a non-enabled BattlEye update)
The list above has around 300 million players combined. Some on that list are in the top most played games on pc. How can you convince someone who plays these games to move over to Linux but they won't be able to play that game.??... duel boot is just a useless and waste of time.
Hopefully one day this will all change and we will have an option but at the moment there seems to be this madness or something where people believe everybody's going to switch within a year to two. People got hyped when they saw that PewDiePie video and now because zorin os was downloaded over a million times this is great fantastic news but how many of them stayed?
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Mister Wolf
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All of the sudden when Linux shits the bed it becomes about others experience and not his personal experience with it. IN HIS VIDEO. With no criticism of the compatibility issue that arise frequently with using Linux. So much so that Valve has to segregate games with filters based on these issues. "Windont". What a joke.
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Crayon
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I think the problem is more that the kernel is open source. Even if there was just one distro, someone could roll their own kernel that fakes out the anticheat. But that's why it would have to use a signed module that the kernel loads separately.
Plus I imagine you'd need to boot into a mode with no root access. That's not a huge deal unless someone is ideologically opposed to it.
pudel
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Witcher3 runs with 60fps on yr little handheld (check out other benchmarks). Something went wrong in his benchmark. Happens.
You cant convince any of these players and nobody does it. If you want play these games...you have to stick to windows. But thats nothing to celebrate about imho.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Id uninstall win in a heartbeat if Linux supported everything.
Durin
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Eh, you don't really need platinum status in Proton for it to just work out of the box. Many gold-rated games in ProtonDB do just work out of the box, but they can involve small UI text meant for a desk setup only, or you need mouse/touch input to bypass a launcher that you can solve with a steam input desktop preset using a pad. I can run my own 1200+ library through ProtonDB, and get this:How many times was posted here in the thread about gaming outside Steam being a BIG thing and even on Steam the amount of games with proton platinum status is far from 100%??
It's definitely not perfect, DX10-12 games on average will work better on Windows, along with anti-cheat. That said, 83% of my games will just work with next to no effort from me, 9% silver ones will involve some tweaking, the bronze ones likely are older games, and 1% borked old games or something that doesn't support anti-cheat. I do agree the lack of GUI control panels for basic features kinda blows, and having to do global commands for stuff like x16 AF is a weaker alternative. Nvidia driver performance as well.
It honestly varies, but old Windows games do often run more easily on Linux via Proton/Wine than on modern Windows, due to better handling of legacy 32-bit libraries, DirectX translation, and avoidance of Windows' strict compatibility checks/telemetry issues. Windows 11 doesn't have perfect backwards compatibility with DX8/DX9 games for example, while Proton does translate those API calls better out of the box, in addition to GE-Proton having custom fixes for some older games. Windows main advantage is some old games have mod fixes, and some won't work on Linux easily (or at all sometimes). Last pain point is DX7 games that are getting unofficial Proton support, and are a pain in the ass to work on Windows, so hopefully it improves...anything earlier can usually be solved by emulation.
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Crayon
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Yeah I'm not seeing much attempt to convince in that direction in here lol. It's an "if you build it, they will come" situation, atm. Linux is good right now for people with the right use case and priorities.
Btw anyone can test drive it on a free afternoon. No need to take anyone's word for it in here. Dowload linux for free, log into steam for free, try the games you already have. Then come back and let us know if your pc flipped upside down and exploded.
Jaguar Victory
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Every time I see a video of Linux is amazing for gaming - 30 seconds in - "Ok so I had to research how to overcome these 7 issues I was having by entering these codes into the console. I scoured some subreddits and some GitHubs and I got it working." I just shut off the video.
Crayon
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Nah, it's true a lot of the time. In wine (proton), applications get set up in an environment that replicates different version of windows. Those games would also be able to run easier in windows if they were bottled in older versions of windows, too.
polybius80
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Kingdom come deliverance 2 runs at 62 on linux while 47 in windows in the Rog ally X, now that windows shits the bed then what?
do you have a better nvidia panel and DLDSR in the ROG Xbox Ally?
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Crayon
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Mister Wolf
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Witcher3 runs with 60fps on yr little handheld (check out other benchmarks). Something went wrong in his benchmark. Happens.
Something went wrong with Linux trying to run a Windows game. Now that's a revelation.
Every time I see a video of Linux is amazing for gaming - 30 seconds in - "Ok so I had to research how to overcome these 7 issues I was having by entering these codes into the console. I scoured some subreddits and some GitHubs and I got it working." I just shut off the video.
When I started Clair Obscur on my Legion Go Steam OS it would not show me graphics options. I definitely had to run to reddit to find out why and how to resolve the issue.
Mister Wolf
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You got any benchmarks to prove that? And it better not be from that guy who was already disproven and was pointed out that he was running two completely different TDP during the test. Amateur hour.
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pudel
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Kacho
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Every time I see a video of Linux is amazing for gaming - 30 seconds in - "Ok so I had to research how to overcome these 7 issues I was having by entering these codes into the console. I scoured some subreddits and some GitHubs and I got it working." I just shut off the video.
And then I see console gamers making the same claims about Windows. I don't buy any of these cherry picked narratives that are just agenda fueled nonsense. If people don't want to use Linux then don't. If folks don't want to use Windows, find an alternative. I don't get why anyone cares what operating system anyone else uses.
polybius80
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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than the Windows it ships with — new test shows up to 32% higher FPS, with more stable framerates and quicker sleep resume times
Jury's still out on Microsoft's optimization.
there are plenty of becnhmarks in youtube you can easily search them too
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pudel
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Kacho
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Well Christ, did the thread title and OP give it away?Because everything in this forum needs to be some kind of war...I guess.
Mister Wolf
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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than the Windows it ships with — new test shows up to 32% higher FPS, with more stable framerates and quicker sleep resume times
Jury's still out on Microsoft's optimization.www.tomshardware.com
And that's exactly the one you posted. Do better research.
That fact that he kept the video up shows how pathetic and desperate he is for clicks.
Topher
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Because everything in this forum needs to be some kind of war...I guess.
It seems so. I don't know what kind of "war" you can have when one side has dominant market share for decades. I think Microsoft will be ok.
Unknown Soldier
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OLED TV owners?
Buggy Loop
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Vegan linux gamer with OLED monitor?
He'll stumble to tell you about his personality with so many of them. Which identity of his sad life will be first in a conversation?
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pudel
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Yep, its not even that MS is in war with linux. They are developing it themselves. I am just happy I can dodge their "agentic OS" bullshit via linux. Thats it.
ReBurn
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Life was simpler when we were just fighting over consoles.
Topher
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Nah....that's the conclusion you've come to, but that only applies to you.
You ain't kidding
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
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you non oled plebs are more annoying than the burn-in i may experience!
/s (obv)
pudel
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Thats what I am expecting as well. (I hope i am wrong.)
rodrigolfp
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DXVK and other tools are a thing on Windows too, not some proton/wine exclusive, so older DirectX games are mostly a non issue on Windows.
polybius80
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And that's exactly the one you posted. Do better research.
That fact that he kept the video up shows how pathetic and desperate he is for clicks.
linux having better performance in many benchmarks even with layer like wine or proton is no secret and not something new, maybe is only new to you, feel free to test in you Ally X if you want or check any other benchmark of a person of your preference
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Mister Wolf
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I would never put Linux on this thing. Thats two steps forward, three steps back. Having to find a bunch of solutions for problems i shouldn't have in the first place. Workarounds for missing driver level features. Complete waste of time.
alabtrosMyster
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Again with the cherry picking.
This is like a month old news my guy.
Yes Windows overhead is harsh on the Legion Go.
Is this true
You guys made a good effort in both circle jerking and cherry picking your "data" hard enough to make it look to the commoner, non vegan I guess, like you had some points.
It's pretty clear who's butt you are licking, this is nothing new, MS has proven its ability to get people like you to carry their water, I just hope you are getting something interesting in return.
Please, keep in mind that benchmarks had feelings before you skewed them.
Keep doing this as much as you want:
Phil ain't coming back.
Durin
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I wasn't arguing the tools are exclusive, since both Linux & Windows use stuff like dgvoodoo2 for DirectDraw, D3D3/5/6/7 games. Merely the ease of use because Proton bundles in tools like DXVK automatically.
Proton uses DXVK internally to translate Direct3D calls to Vulkan, and even though manually placing DXVK dlls can work in Windows...the main purpose of it's development is linux, and it functions more consistently in it.
This does mean that on average you will find more DX8 & 9 games that have incompatibility issues with Windows 11, able to just boot and play via Proton out of the box. Main benefit of Windows is for some old games that got great mod overhauls, that have less steps to install via Windows than Linux...but only a fraction of users look up PCGamingWiki for that stuff.
Kacho
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Absolute tatters. Holy shit.Again with the cherry picking.
You guys made a good effort in both circle jerking and cherry picking your "data" hard enough to make it look to the commoner, non vegan I guess, like you had some points.
It's pretty clear who's butt you are licking, this is nothing new, MS has proven its ability to get people like you to carry their water, I just hope you are getting something interesting in return.
Please, keep in mind that benchmarks had feelings before you skewed them.
Keep doing this as much as you want:
Phil ain't coming back.
Mister Wolf
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Absolute tatters. Holy shit.
Popping the Linux echo chamber balloon did major mental damage.
Broad Spectrum
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It's not an OS fragmentation issue or you wouldn't be able to run Steam/proton on so many different Linux distros.
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