LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

PS3 is still working online. Just played a great 5 round match of Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown.

But on PS4 I still cannot fucking sign in. Haven't been able to do so even once, since this whole thing started.

edit: Chicago area.


I hope the real people behind LS get knocks on their doors, soon. SWATTED / RAIDED.
 
You know, I'd find Lizard Squad to be a bit more 'benevolent' and less wasteful, if not messing with gamers (who just want to play) and actually go after villainous mega corporations.

Sony ultimately is a Japanese corporation and Japan is rather neutral (no standing army, etc.) - so why politically inflict harm on a company headquartered in a country that has no modern infliction of harm?

Because they can, is unreasonable.

LizardSquad talks about a cause (on BBC), then why aren't they going after companies that actually stand for shitty practices?

Namely the likes of Walmart? LoL

This all accomplished nothing and just aggravates everybody.

LizardSquad serve no purpose other than to further irritate customers (as if we can change anything from corporations to country laws) and bolster their 'names'
 
Copen said:
You're contradicting yourself you know that right? You specifically said the TOS states Sony isn't responsible for downtime so in light of that you don't then get to say and I quote " If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter" no it's NOT a completely different matter because according to the TOS Sony isn't responsible right? Now just think how ridiculous that sounds for a minute..........Down time is down time be it a day or forever it's all the same according to the contract. So in one breath you say Sony isn't responsible and shouldn't be accountable yet in another you say they SHOULD compensate customers something in the event it drags on forever. You said this not me. Please make up your mind.
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No, downtime is the time between the services being up. The service no longer being provided is a whole other thing. If you check the TOS, you'll find a different clause for what happens if the service is shut down.
 
Man I just hope someone, either a government, Sony, or even another group like Anonymous can mitigate the attacks soon. The best mitigation would be a bullet to the head for the Lizard Squad types but what can you do.
 
The video game industry has been experiencing high levels of traffic designed to disrupt connectivity and online gameplay. Multiple networks, including PSN, have been affected over the last 48 hours. PSN engineers are working hard to restore full network access and online gameplay as quickly as possible.

From time to time there may be disruptions in service due to surges in traffic, but our engineers will be working to restore service as quickly as possible.

If you received a PlayStation console over the holidays and have been unable to log onto the network, know that this problem is temporary and is not caused by your game console. We’ll continue to keep you posted on Twitter at @AskPlayStation and we’ll update this post once the problems subside.

Thanks again for your patience.
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/12/27/playstation-network-update-3/#sf6590558
 
The Lamonster said:
yes, give this shit service some more of your money
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You were saying?
 
Copen said:
You're contradicting yourself you know that right? You specifically said the TOS states Sony isn't responsible for downtime so in light of that you don't then get to say and I quote " If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter" no it's NOT a completely different matter because according to the TOS Sony isn't responsible right? Now just think how ridiculous that sounds for a minute..........Down time is down time be it a day or forever it's all the same according to the contract. So in one breath you say Sony isn't responsible and shouldn't be accountable yet in another you say they SHOULD compensate customers something in the event it drags on forever. You said this not me. Please make up your mind.
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Actually there is a difference. Down time suggests temporary lack of service. Permanent down time would qualify as not delivering upon a paid service, which would definitely require compensation otherwise Sony would be in legal trouble in a number of countries.
 
From a ps4 owner: This is just ridiculous, if this only happened to sony, i could(maybe) understand, but xbox solved this ages ago, i know they are doing everything they can since they are loosing a lot of money too, but this isnt professional at all, sony invest in your staff and materials the best you can, wtf...
 
Crosseyes said:
Man I just hope someone, either a government, Sony, or even another group like Anonymous can mitigate the attacks soon. The best mitigation would be a bullet to the head for the Lizard Squad types but what can you do.
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And we are back to killing these guys again. Come on now. Try to get some perspective.
 
Septimius said:
You're completely contradicting yourself. You're saying it's OK for some contingencies not to be accounted for, but at the same time, it's not OK. What.

I work with networking. I deal with DDOSes. You can't just "fix it". This is nothing Sony can be held responsible for. What you're saying is that they should have an internet connection that is bigger than all other internet connections in the world. Combined. Because that's how you completely eliminate DDOS. When no one has the capacity to fill up your links, you can't be DDOSed. But that can't happen. So it won't happen. The internet will always be prone to DDOS, just like a highway will get congested if someone has an accident. Yelling "it shouldn't" doesn't change anything.
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Not asking facetiously but what do you do at your job to deal with DDOSes if nothing can be done about them?
 
Jingo said:
From a ps4 owner: This is just ridiculous, if this only happened to sony, i could(maybe) understand, but xbox solved this ages ago, i know they are doing everything they can since they are loosing a lot of money too, but this isnt professional at all, sony invest in your staff and materials the best you can, wtf...
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What did Microsoft solve? They're getting hammered, too.

Millsington said:
Not asking facetiously but what do you do at your job to deal with DDOSes if nothing can be done about them?
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The best you can do is try to filter out which requests to your server (Authentication, in this case) are legit and which ones are bogus. Then you feed that into the load balancer (Which is directing all the requests to the different servers) and tell it to immediately drop connections from specific IPs.

That list grows fast and trying to figure out which ones are fake and which are idiots just trying over and over again (Which is happening right now) is difficult. You don't want false positives.

And as people get blocked they just change VPNs and improve their spoofing methods to look more like authentic traffic.

The fact it's a botnet and not just a few machines on a network ALREADY handling millions of requests means there's a lot of data to sort through.
 
Caja 117 said:
I wasnt quoting you, my apologies.




Read my post before,

And know you went from "the TOS doent say anything about compensation" to "that TOS doesnt matter legally"?

read this:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/240204/psn_update_tos_protects_sony_from_lawsuits.html
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I'm not asking for compensation im simply stating that if enough time goes on like this and they should compensate their customers something even if it's days lost in their sub which adds up through millions of paying customers. And the TOS doesn't state that in the event of an attack no compensation will be given. I see a difference in normal down time and down time because of an attack I don't know why that's so hard to understand really. Normal maintenance and down time because of a network attack are two completely different scenarios.
 
Jingo said:
From a ps4 owner: This is just ridiculous, if this only happened to sony, i could(maybe) understand, but xbox solved this ages ago, i know they are doing everything they can since they are loosing a lot of money too, but this isnt professional at all, sony invest in your staff and materials the best you can, wtf...
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Meanwhile over at Xbox...they're down too...

And solved? Solved what?
 
Septimius said:
Then perhaps I was wrong. You need to apply what you know about DDOSes and networks with what MS and Sony are.

So, how do you deal with DDOSes?
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Frankly for a large scale attack it is a difficult question to answer directly.

Do you have the bandwidth to handle what they are throwing at you? The difficult part here is identifying where the weak link in the system is; that's where you'll fail. Even then, if they come at you at, say, 200% of your capacity, you're going to fail no matter what as each link in the chain gets overloaded.

Identifying spikes and differences in traffic patterns is the key, but that's much easier said then done. Some of that can be done by service providers and/or internal mechanisms, but again, if they throw a huge amount of discrete traffic at you you're fucked either way.

I don't envy either company right now.
 
Does anyone know if Sony were using Prolexic before today? I'm familiar with using their service and I'm also familiar with the fact that they're pretty good at selling and setting up their service for you at very short notice.
 
Mik317 said:
I get that we don't know the whole situation...

HOWEVA

It does seem like XBL is up for more dudes/dudettes than PSN is right now...and thats nooooo gooood

and the average person isn't going to care about the specifics.
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While yes people don't care about specifics, it being a bit 'less shit' for XBL right now isn't really helping the numerous people it still is down for.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
You cant acknowledge that you were taken down by some pissy teenie boppers from DDOS attacks. Thats like getting beat up by the weakest person at school when nobody was around to see it and telling everybody what happened. You would lose all tough guy credibility.
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It's more like being beaten up by the weakest kid in school while half the school watched and the local news reported on it, but then you tell everyone that you sold tickets to the fight and lost because you got distracted by the huge crowds.
 
echoshifting said:
I got all the way to checkout in the store :O

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I just redeemed a far cry season pass using the ps app. Now hopefully ill be able to update the game some time this week. Fingers crossed we at least get a small window in the middle of the night again before psn shits the bed.
 
Septimius said:
You're completely contradicting yourself. You're saying it's OK for some contingencies not to be accounted for, but at the same time, it's not OK. What.

I work with networking. I deal with DDOSes. You can't just "fix it". This is nothing Sony can be held responsible for. What you're saying is that they should have an internet connection that is bigger than all other internet connections in the world. Combined. Because that's how you completely eliminate DDOS. When no one has the capacity to fill up your links, you can't be DDOSed. But that can't happen. So it won't happen. The internet will always be prone to DDOS, just like a highway will get congested if someone has an accident. Yelling "it shouldn't" doesn't change anything.
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Out of curiosity what is stopping these people from doing this forever and permanently keeping psn down with DDOSes?
 
It's good they finally said something and I'm sure they are being straight with us. Now it's just a matter of getting this shit back up and running. It needs to be up and running no later than tonight if they don't want this to blow up in the monday gaming media.

I can see the journalists writing their articles now.

They definitely need a shake up in their online infrastructure department though. I don't know where these engineers are based but it's time to get some that can get this thing up and running quickly.
 
CrazyDude said:
Out of curiosity what is stopping these people from doing this forever and permanently keeping psn down with DDOSes?
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Only the threat of being tracked down by the FBI. DDoS is the one true weakness of the Internet.

system11 said:
Does anyone know if Sony were using Prolexic before today? I'm familiar with using their service and I'm also familiar with the fact that they're pretty good at selling and setting up their service for you at very short notice.
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They are.
 
Septimius said:
Microsoft are at an advantageous situation. They have a cloud network in place. Their azure infrastructure means it's much harder to attack them, and that you need a much bigger attack. They likely have a bigger team that can counter it, too. It's advantage Microsoft, and it will be a difference that will make a difference in attack like this. Forever. So if it's important for you that DDOSes impede your services for the shortest amount of time possible, which is a totally fair request, then MS is a better alternative. Sony doesn't run a network anywhere near the size of MS's.
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Again I'm not saying one is better than the other as I understand the differences. Microsoft has a shitton of experience in this and more sources than Sony...so I'm not on the Sony is ass train.. I just know that Joe Shmoe isn't going to see it that way.

LookAtMeGo said:
PSN survived that nasty hack with the credit cards, they will survive this. Not saying its not bad but its not the end of the world either.
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Of course it's not the end of the world. It just sucks.
 
It's unbelieveable that PSN is still down. If Sony would, at the very least, release a proper statement detailing why its network is having trouble coming back, and staying, online, it would help alleviate some of the anger you see building in consumers. Does no company involved with gaming have a proper PR division anymore?
 
Lrrr said:
It's unbelieveable that PSN is still down. If Sony would, at the very least, release a proper statement detailing why its network is having trouble coming back, and staying, online, it would help alleviate some of the anger you see building in consumers. Does no company involved with gaming have a proper PR division anymore?
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They just posted on their official blog.
 
Lrrr said:
It's unbelieveable that PSN is still down. If Sony would, at the very least, release a proper statement detailing why its network is having trouble coming back, and staying, online, it would help alleviate some of the anger you see building in consumers. Does no company involved with gaming have a proper PR division anymore?
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They just did apparently. A bit late but better than never.
 
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