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[LordOfLore]

Basically, Charles has been suffering from a number of brain diseases for a while now and one of the side effects is that whenever he has a significant seizure, he does that thing where he freezes everyone like he usually does... only, instead of just 'freezing,' everyone in the immediate area is shaking furiously and look like they're being charged up to explode Scanners style.


What's implied in the film is that Charles probably did his usual Cerebro thing where finds all the mutants on the planet, only that time, he fucked up and accidentally blew most of their noggins to kingdom come as well.

I don't think he actually killed people outside the US. Rice's "we stopped hunting you down and instead messed with genes in food and other products to kill you off" speech before getting his head blown open makes me think that was what started killing people and stopped new ones being born 25 years ago. Charles is responsible for all the US born ones it seems though. They didn't stop the NYC attack in time due to probably not knowing he was sick and getting worse.

 

[Raguel]

Man, absolutely can't wait to see this. Got tix for sat at 400pm. Reserved seating. Theater is only for adults 21 and over. Reclining chairs with memory foam and heated seats. The theatre is the only good thing in this god awful city.

Gonna be awesome and bittersweet to watch Hugh Jackman send of Wolvie and Patrick Stewart as Xavier.

 

[MMarston]

I don't think he actually killed people outside the US. Rice's "we stopped hunting you down and instead messed with genes in food and other products to kill you off" speech before getting his head blown open makes me think that was what started killing people and stopped new ones being born 25 years ago. Charles is responsible for all the US born ones it seems though. They didn't stop the NYC attack in time due to probably not knowing he was sick and getting worse.

I'd say it's more of a half 'n half -- at least, that's what I read from it. Charles did that catalyst event, whereas Rice is responsible for slowly burying the grave.

 

[LordOfLore]

I'd say it's more of a half 'n half -- at least, that's what I read from it. Charles did that catalyst event, whereas Rice is responsible for slowly burying the grave.

Yeah, either way the end of natural mutantkind started in the heads of Rice and Xavier, be it their power or idea.

(I'm sort of sad Magneto didn't show up at the end or something. Kinda wanted him to turn up old at the border but still wearing the helmet to explain why he survived NYC)

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'd say it's more of a half 'n half -- at least, that's what I read from it. Charles did that catalyst event, whereas Rice is responsible for slowly burying the grave.

That's how I read it, too. Charles was the bomb. Rice was the radiation.

 

[LionPride]

Aight so it seems like if you like the X-Men movies you'll like Logan...

 

[Bobby Roberts]

So I caught a screening...

I genuinely don't understand what people see in the X-Men movies, but it is absolutely my fault for expecting to see something different than what we've been getting from Fox for 17 years

This makes no sense to me. This movie has almost nothing in common with any of the previous X-Men movies at all. The only similarity I think it bears to previous films is the mild stumbling in pacing for the final 10-15 minutes. But that's about it.

What parts are you saying felt samey to you?

 

[Pachimari]

Only 13 hours till my showing. Excitement slowly rising. I liked The Wolverine. I also liked Apocalypse.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

This makes no sense to me. This movie has almost nothing in common with any of the previous X-Men movies at all. The only similarity I think it bears to previous films is the mild stumbling in pacing for the final 10-15 minutes. But that's about it.

What parts are you saying felt samey to you?

It's just still a pretty boring movie where nothing really happens, and it's still a horrible representation of the X-Men characters it's depicting. Add in the TL still not making a lick of sense, and these movies just aren't my ministry.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Alright, so I dont cry at movies. But damn if I didnt get close with this one.

X-23 saying 'Daddy' to her father dying. It got me real bad. First of all: that wolverine has a daughter and secondly, the acknowledgment on her side that this is her dad, and he is dying.

Aight so it seems like if you like the X-Men movies you'll like Logan...

I dislike most of the x-men movies.

This one is by far the best x-men movie.

 

[MMarston]

It's just still a pretty boring movie where nothing really happens, and it's still a horrible representation of the X-Men characters it's depicting.

...Then it's still not the same as the other X-Men movies?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Like, what does "nothing really happens" even mean here?

What sort of "happening" should be happening?

 

[Rumblebones]

Thinking back now, I don't think I've laughed as much at any comic book movie as I did during the car scene with Laura where she goes on a tirade in Spanish and straight up punches Wolverine.

 

[LucidMomentum]

It's just still a pretty boring movie where nothing really happens, and it's still a horrible representation of the X-Men characters it's depicting. Add in the TL still not making a lick of sense, and these movies just aren't my ministry.

A marvel comics fan complaining about timelines.

K.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

...Then it's still not the same as the other X-Men movies?

I mean, if you like em, I love em for you.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I mean, if you like em, I love em for you.

None of your criticisms seem connected to the movie though. They're all in someway comparisons to the comics.

Which is a thing that is directly addressed in the film itself, even.

What parts of the movie had you feeling like it was just more of the boring same?

 

[MMarston]

I mean, if you like em, I love em for you.

I mean hey, I dislike half the movies of the franchise and as for the others, I think they're OK at most. Hell, even I think Logan doesn't really surpass a B/B+. I just want to know more details about your feelings because it's an odd sentiment to think this is just like the rest of them and you're being relatively vague about it.

 

[Vampirolol]

Just saw it and absolutely loved it. I could finally feel the passion for the character in this movie.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Still in disbelief this is Jackman and Stewart's final run in the X-men

I'm sad. What a send off

 

[Fallout-NL]

Like others have said, third act has some problems, but it's still the best superhero movie by a country mile. Plot is fairly typical, but the execution and its tone are so utterly atypical that it manages to break loose from the formulaic nature of a lot of those other films. Interesting that they finally allowed someone to just run with a property like this. So good to just see a smaller story for once. Apart from that it also helped that the action, the gore and the profanity were a joy to behold. Not just a great superhero film, but a pretty fucking solid film period. It has heart, an identity of its own and doesn't feel like it was made by committee. Fucking great. More like this please.

 

[number11]

I love how this works as a stand alone movie. It doesn't give a fuck trying to connect with previous instalments.. and it isn't a movie to set up the next one. Obviously things make more sense if you already know the characters.. but if none of the previous X Men movies existed, Logan would still be great.

I knew there would be gore and swearing.. but that topless scene did catch me by surprise lol.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

None of your criticisms seem connected to the movie though. They're all in someway comparisons to the comics.

Which is a thing that is directly addressed in the film itself, even.

What parts of the movie had you feeling like it was just more of the boring same?

It being boring (TO ME) isn't a comparison to the comics. I just thought it was boring. It felt like nothing happened, and a huge part of that stems from the fact you have absolutely no idea how the characters got to Logan from DOFP (I get Xavier likely killed the X-Men and so on). You can tell a standalone story that exists in a universe without completely abandoning the attempt of it making sense within the plot you've given us. You don't need to set any future franchises up, you don't need to cater to everything that came before, but make sense.

I never said it was a bad movie. I actually think Fox's X-Men movies are generally at least decent (obvious exceptions of Origins, 3, The Wolverine, Apocalypse, which are all fucking horrible); they're just not good X-Men movies. And I would like my X-Men movies to be X-Men movies. I don't think Wolverine's depiction is Hugh's fault, but Singer's and Fox's. He does pretty fine with what he's given, and it was cool seeing Wolverine fight in R-rated glory (even though they're still using some pretty indefensibly bad wire work), but lack of (brutal) violence wasn't really what was missing from the character in these films.

Liking, even loving, the movie is fine, but praising it as the best superhero movie ever because it doesn't feel like a comic book movie probably just means that you don't actually like comic book movies. Which, again, is fine. *shrug*

 

[More_Badass]

It being boring (TO ME) isn't a comparison to the comics. I just thought it was boring. It felt like nothing happened, and a huge part of that stems from the fact you have absolutely no idea how the characters got to Logan from DOFP


Liking, even loving, the movie is fine, but praising it as the best superhero movie ever because it doesn't feel like a comic book movie probably just means that you don't actually like comic book movies. Which, again, is fine. *shrug*

1) Why does that first part even matter one iota? Movie doesn't care about it, so why should you or the audience? And even disregarding continuity, the movie does provide an answer

2) That's one crazy big generalization, with really no basis in anything

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Liking, even loving, the movie is fine, but praising it as the best superhero movie ever because it doesn't feel like a comic book movie probably just means that you don't actually like comic book movies. Which, again, is fine. *shrug*

Even allowing for the idea most people in here like the movie because it doesn't feel like a superhero movie - I'm still not sure you've actually answered what scenes in the movie didn't work with you. This stuff about them not being X-Men movies I get, yes - but that's the part I was talking about when I said you're criticizing the movie not as a movie, but as a reflection of the comic books. You're comparing this to the comics more than you're criticizing it on its own merits. Timelines. Comics characterizations.

Like, what did Jackman do in this movie that rubbed you wrong? What scenes did you dislike? What scenes did you like? Was there nothing in this movie where he did something that worked for you?

You keep circling back to this notion that because they're not adhering to the tone (or continuity) of the comics (or prior movies) that it wasn't really worth it. But what in this movie specifically did that? What do you mean by "nothing happened?" What parts of the stuff that happened (loudly, violently, and frequently) felt useless/boring to you? What scenes that were obviously meant to have punch completely whiffed for you?

Because I found that this movie was better at capturing elements of Logan from his better comics characterizations (and Charles, as well) than most of the other films in the series. And I also found that while it works perfectly fine if this is your first ever X-Men film,

and a huge part of that stems from the fact you have absolutely no idea how the characters got to Logan from DOFP (I get Xavier likely killed the X-Men and so on)

How could you have no idea after watching the movie considering the parenthetical you just typed?

 

[LionPride]

I dislike most of the x-men movies.

This one is by far the best x-men movie.

See, that isn't exactly a very high bar so that statement doesn't hold a lot of weight for me, get what I'm saying?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

get what I'm saying?

No. This is you in this thread, man.

That description alone just made me not wanna see it.

It's shaping up more and more like I may have to find a way to watch this.

Almost nothing happened between those two posts that was any different than what was being said before those two posts. And then:

Aight so it seems like if you like the X-Men movies you'll like Logan...

I dislike most of the x-men movies. This one is by far the best x-men movie.

that statement doesn't hold a lot of weight for me,

???

 

[LionPride]

No. This is you in this thread, man.





Almost nothing happened between those two posts that was any different than what was being said before those two posts. And then:







???

I read a review by someone I trust, and his review kinda made me feel the same way I've been feeling about X-Men movies. I genuinely do not like almost any of them and his review made me almost certain I won't watch them. Your plot summary, while a plot I disliked thought "I can see Jackman and Stewart doing aight with this" but his review turned me back to my original stance. I'm waiting on one more review before I decide if I'm seeing this or not

 

[Zushin]

Just got back from watching it. Wow...

What else can I say. Brilliant movie and was choking back tears by the end. Loved the viscerality of the whole thing and yeah... Wow

 

[Fury451]

Like, what does "nothing really happens" even mean here?

What sort of "happening" should be happening?

Blue sky lazer

 

[Dio Brando]

Just got back from it, and genuinely feel this is the first CBM movie that actually tried to be a movie and succeeded. That doesn't mean that i think the MCU it utter trash.
most of the time i had a lot of fun with them, but it feels like they always lacked something.
Talking about the humor, Logan felt like whenever it happened, it was earned, or at least it fitted. marvel movies, most of the time, feel like characters want to out- joke each other.

 

[More_Badass]

Just got back from it, and genuinely feel this is the first CBM movie that actually tried to be a movie and succeeded. That doesn't mean that i think the MCU it utter trash.
most of the time i had a lot of fun with them, but it feels like they always lacked something.
Talking about the humor, Logan felt like whenever it happened, it was earned, or at least it fitted. marvel movies, most of the time, feel like characters want to out- joke each other.

Not even Nolan's Batman movies?

 

[Dio Brando]

Not even Nolan's Batman movies?

Nolan movies never felt like CBM movies for me. just something based on comics.
EDIT: maybe im contradicting myself, but what i mean is that with nolan movies, batman felt natural, the movies had a sense of storytelling and structure that most CBM movies dont have. ffs, the villains actually made sense in nolan movies.

Well, yeah, that's what a comic book movie is. Whether it's trying to be like the comics or not doesn't change that they're all "something based on comics"

But I assume you mean superhero movies? Because stuff like A History of Violence and Road to Perdition are comic book movies

yep, my bad. super hero movies actually makes more sense in the way im failing to argue

 

[More_Badass]

Nolan movies never felt like CBM movies for me. just something based on comics.

Well, yeah, that's what a comic book movie is. Whether it's trying to be like the comics or not doesn't change that they're all "something based on comics"

But I assume you mean superhero movies? Because stuff like A History of Violence and Road to Perdition are comic book movies

 

[PhantomZone]

Saw it earlier this morning Australian time, it's really good and kind of annoys me that it took this long to get a decent Wolverine/X-Men film - it shouldn't have been this hard or taken this long to churn out an awesome story.

Granted I have enjoyed the X-Men series the past 17 years (my only negative experiences being Origins: Wolverine and First Class).

 

[TropicalFish]

Can't be bothered back tracking through the thread, does the fact that no new mutants were being born for 25 years mean that this film does indeed take place in a totally alternate timeline/universe to the 'main' X-Men film continuity?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Can't be bothered back tracking through the thread, does the fact that no new mutants were being born for 25 years mean that this film does indeed take place in a totally alternate timeline/universe to the 'main' X-Men film continuity?

I don't think so? It doesn't really matter for the sake of the movie, but I think it basically lines up with the DoFP ending (DoFP ends 2023. Logan starts 2029) . Unless someone can spot kids that would have been born after that cutoff running around the mansion in that quick little scene as Logan walks through the mansion?

Also, was it 25 years? I don't remember precisely how long it was stated in the film that no mutant kids had been born.

 

[Certinty]

So glad Jackman and Stewart got a good send off, both completely deserved it. Still can't believe that's it though.

Have to say I loved the ending too, they could have dragged that last part on a lot more but I'm happy they didn't. Perfect scene to end.

 

[TropicalFish]

I don't think so? It doesn't really matter for the sake of the movie, but I think it basically lines up with the DoFP ending. Unless someone can spot kids that would have been born after that cutoff running around the mansion in that quick little scene as Logan walks through the mansion?

Also, was it 25 years? I don't remember precisely how long it was stated in the film that no mutant kids had been born.

Logan takes place in 2029, meaning that no mutants should have been born after 2004. The ending of DOFP takes place in 2023 so the minimum age of the students there should be 19 if the 'no new mutants after '04' assumption stands. However I just checked the ending and there's multiple students in their early teens shown wandering the hallways.

I am also very sure Logan said it was 25 years since I saw the film around 2 hours ago lol.

Either way I'm going to hold the 'alternate timeline' thing true in my mind (which would still be true to the spirit of the franchise since alternate timelines/parallel worlds are an X-men staple lmao). It'd be tragic if the happy ending of DOFP only lasted a few years. The whole 'timeline course correction' schtick can suck it.

 

[Zushin]

Also, and this is sort of unrelated - I'm fairly new to watching these movies (only watched the new timeline stuff very recently) but in Logan they mention the Statue of Liberty event (referring to X1), did that happen in this timeline? I thought everything pre-DOFP got erased pretty much.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I am also very sure Logan said it was 25 years since I saw the film around 2 hours ago lol.

Yeah, I haven't seen it for awhile so I don't remember the number. I think Rice says it at the very end too? I dunno, I'm old. Thanks man!

Either way I'm going to hold the 'alternate timeline' thing true in my mind (which would still be true to the spirit

This would make it the only other thing it really has in common with Old Man Logan beside the word Logan.

in Logan they mention the Statue of Liberty event (referring to X1), did that happen in this timeline? I thought everything pre-DOFP got erased pretty much.

You can handwave that if you want (we talk about this upthread, I think) by saying stuff didn't happen exactly the same way we saw it, but some version of it must have happened still even with the new timeline.

It's the same principle as what's going on in the Star Wars universe: They reset the continuity, but they're going back into the old one and pulling events out of it, and re-using/re-interpreting for the new continuity.

 

[Zushin]

You can handwave that if you want (we talk about this upthread, I think) by saying stuff didn't happen exactly the same way we saw it, but some version of it must have happened still even with the new timeline.

It's the same principle as what's going on in the Star Wars universe: They reset the continuity, but they're going back into the old one and pulling events out of it, and re-using/re-interpreting for the new continuity.

Ah ok. Cool! Stuff always gets confusing once you add time travel haha.

 

[Professor Beef]

Also, and this is sort of unrelated - I'm fairly new to watching these movies (only watched the new timeline stuff very recently) but in Logan they mention the Statue of Liberty event (referring to X1), did that happen in this timeline? I thought everything pre-DOFP got erased pretty much.

It's possible it still happened. X1 is a fairly self-contained movie that doesn't largely rely on the past or future.

 

[catashtrophe]

It being boring (TO ME) isn't a comparison to the comics. I just thought it was boring. It felt like nothing happened, and a huge part of that stems from the fact you have absolutely no idea how the characters got to Logan from DOFP (I get Xavier likely killed the X-Men and so on). You can tell a standalone story that exists in a universe without completely abandoning the attempt of it making sense within the plot you've given us. You don't need to set any future franchises up, you don't need to cater to everything that came before, but make sense.

I never said it was a bad movie. I actually think Fox's X-Men movies are generally at least decent (obvious exceptions of Origins, 3, The Wolverine, Apocalypse, which are all fucking horrible); they're just not good X-Men movies. And I would like my X-Men movies to be X-Men movies. I don't think Wolverine's depiction is Hugh's fault, but Singer's and Fox's. He does pretty fine with what he's given, and it was cool seeing Wolverine fight in R-rated glory (even though they're still using some pretty indefensibly bad wire work), but lack of (brutal) violence wasn't really what was missing from the character in these films.

Liking, even loving, the movie is fine, but praising it as the best superhero movie ever because it doesn't feel like a comic book movie probably just means that you don't actually like comic book movies. Which, again, is fine. *shrug*

Did you even watch the movie because unless I've gone blind you've not mentioned anything specific in any of your posts, regarding the film that rubbed you the wrong way.

:-|

 

[wapplew]

If they keep comic book fans service at minimum in the third act, this movie would be perfect.
No need TLOU movie anymore.

 

[MMarston]

If they keep comic book fans service at minimum in the third act, this movie would be perfect.
No need TLOU movie anymore.

I've completely forgotten that this was apparently going to be a thing that exists.

 

[hamchan]

Hugh Jackman is so great. I love that man. He absolutely killed it in this movie.

 

[Renpatsu]

I don't know how anyone could watch this movie and not feel anything for the performances between Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman. It is legitimately the most human Stewart's Xavier has ever been allowed to be in the entire franchise, his previous appearances feel restrained by comparison.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

This is a good film. It has some flaws, but none that I can't forgive. What shines the most about this film for me is that it takes its time. And that's not a bad thing for me because the film is at its best when it slows down, allows some breathing room, and builds the world and the characters in it. What helps is that those character buildings are very effective imo. Overall, I like it, and I will see it again.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Guys... I haven't been so disappointed in how a movie turned out in a long time. The first half of the movie is so perfect, then there is one moment that pulled me out that I just couldn't get back with it again.

Spoiler

X-24 literally being Hugh Jackman. It could have been anyone else. Even fucking Sabretooth. If that was a random, no name actor I wouldn't have had a problem, but cos it was just Hugh Jackman, I couldn't handle it. I know its wierd but it just destroyed my immersion in a film I was loving up to that point.

Here are some good points!

1. As someone with an elderly relative who has to take pills everyday for various reasons, the relationship between Logan and Xavier is so realistic that it had me double taking at points.

2. Jackman, Stewart are both incredible. Boyd Holbrook makes for a pretty good villain as well, if a little under utilised. Little girl is also quite good.

3. If The Last of Us is ever made into a movie, Hugh jackman is Joel. That beard! This movie is very similar in my mind.

4. Soundtrack was good, if a little piano heavy in places. There was a point when my buddy leaned across and laughed cos it sounded like a vaudeville play was happening during a fight scene.

5. Some of the fighting is beautiful. As violent as we've all wanted Wolverine to be.

Overall, I think this movie really could have been something special, it could have transcended comic book movies in a way only a few have. But, for me anyway, it drops the ball part way through. Its one half of a fucking fantastic movie and one half of an X men movie. Besides that, I would still recommend seeing it for yourself.

 

[ArtHands]

I almost thought that was sabretooth, but it turns out to be his clone.

btw, maybe i have missed it but how did the mutants go extinct? low birth rate?