Logan |OT| Children of (X)Men (SPOILERS)
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catashtrophe
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None that i remember.
Finaika
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One of the children test subject has telekinesis, so maybe she has Jean's DNA?
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One of the kids has Magneto dna right.
Bobby Roberts
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Charles accidentally killed most of them. Rice genetically modified the food supply to prevent further mutation in the populace.
Did Charles kill most of them?
Sounded like he was responsible for the death of 7... and that org was responsible for wiping them out before that.
Though was kind of hoping for more on the "Event" that put Logan and Charles in isolation. The movie sets up a few threads/questions but never really answers em I guess, which is fine.
Really good movie though. Felt very diff from comic movies... until I guess the Berserker Rage finale
Sounded like he was responsible for the death of 7... and that org was responsible for wiping them out before that.
Though was kind of hoping for more on the "Event" that put Logan and Charles in isolation. The movie sets up a few threads/questions but never really answers em I guess, which is fine.
Really good movie though. Felt very diff from comic movies... until I guess the Berserker Rage finale
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Where are you getting the number 7? Not saying you didn't hear it - I'm the old fart who already forgot how many years it'd been since a mutant had been born.
But the way the hints kept getting laid out, the implication was definitely that Charles, whether he was plugged into Cerebro or not, had a big episode on the East Coast that killed a BUNCH of mutants, to the point where the government considers him a weapon of mass destruction.
I just assumed he was plugged into Cerebro, had a seizure, and killed everyone on accident.
But like most good apocalypse movies - what caused the apocalypse isn't really the point, and is one of the least interesting things to pursue over the course of the story. The movie is focused on how people learn to deal with the aftermath of their lives. Focusing on that aftermath as opposed to the inciting event makes for a more solid story, I feel.
There was a guy in the review thread who did the same damn thing, if I remember right.
Wow, somehow didn't remember/catch that.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I thought that radio report (didn't remember the number being in that, thanks) was for a different event, not THE event (which I'd thought had happened years prior, not just the one year before)
Like, he does keep having them even after Logan hustles him out of there. He has two of them in this movie.
It really doesn't make much sense otherwise.
(and again, the point of the movie isn't even discerning what the apocalypse really was)
Like, he does keep having them even after Logan hustles him out of there. He has two of them in this movie.
It really doesn't make much sense otherwise.
(and again, the point of the movie isn't even discerning what the apocalypse really was)
There is no post-credits scene.
There are an unaccounted additional 3 minutes though, but nobody's brought it up yet, I believe.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, I wonder if anyone who saw the previews can help us out there? Weintraub at Collider was saying it was supposed to be a pre-show thing maybe?
Anyone who saw a preview screening the last two days know what that's supposed to be?
Anyone who saw a preview screening the last two days know what that's supposed to be?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Was there anything at the beginning of the movie, before the opening credits, but after the trailer reel?
catashtrophe
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I never saw anything before the opening credits or at the end.
'shrugs'
'shrugs'
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Weird. Maybe it's nothing, then. Just some weird enthusiast press bullshit.
Bobby Roberts
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Previews should be starting in about 6 hours on the East Coast, right?
pauljeremiah
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How does a filmmaking team reinvigorate a genre that's on the verge of becoming overdone and stale? By subverting it with another genre. Logan feels more like a modern day western with superhero elements than a straight up X-Men film.
The story is set in the near future, mutants are thinning out. They've either died or been hunted down. Logan's healing power is not as strong as it used to be. He's old and weary and taking care of Professor X in a hideout on the Mexican border, accompanied by Caliban. But their attempt to hide from the world gets interrupted when dark forces arrive at their doorstep looking for a certain young little girl.
Logan has to be considered genre-defining. The characters, action and story were all beyond outstanding in this movie. We are taken for a ride and can relate to Logan once again. The acting is superb and the dialogue is perfect for the level of each character. Every single character feels believable.
This movie is emotional and moving in every single way that matters and is unique and is as far away from anything X-Men we've seen before. In this case, that's a very good thing. The fight scenes and pace are superb, especially the opening ten minutes I honestly could see Oscar nominations here on multiple fronts.
Dark, violent, and highly emotional, Logan is an appropriate ending to the long lasting Wolverine saga. Hugh Jackman once again gives it his all in the lead role. It's sad to know that this is very likely the last time we'll ever see him play this iconic character, but this film will certainly cement his legacy deep in our minds. Patrick Stewart, who also gives his final performance as Professor X, is great as well. One can't help but feel sad for this once great mind succumbing to the detrimental effects of old age and senility.
The story is set in the near future, mutants are thinning out. They've either died or been hunted down. Logan's healing power is not as strong as it used to be. He's old and weary and taking care of Professor X in a hideout on the Mexican border, accompanied by Caliban. But their attempt to hide from the world gets interrupted when dark forces arrive at their doorstep looking for a certain young little girl.
Logan has to be considered genre-defining. The characters, action and story were all beyond outstanding in this movie. We are taken for a ride and can relate to Logan once again. The acting is superb and the dialogue is perfect for the level of each character. Every single character feels believable.
This movie is emotional and moving in every single way that matters and is unique and is as far away from anything X-Men we've seen before. In this case, that's a very good thing. The fight scenes and pace are superb, especially the opening ten minutes I honestly could see Oscar nominations here on multiple fronts.
Dark, violent, and highly emotional, Logan is an appropriate ending to the long lasting Wolverine saga. Hugh Jackman once again gives it his all in the lead role. It's sad to know that this is very likely the last time we'll ever see him play this iconic character, but this film will certainly cement his legacy deep in our minds. Patrick Stewart, who also gives his final performance as Professor X, is great as well. One can't help but feel sad for this once great mind succumbing to the detrimental effects of old age and senility.
If I remember correctly, they say that the 600 happened at Westchester
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Hah! Shit. Either way, I guess I'll keep an ear/eye out on the second view this weekend.
But really, the film makes it seem like all the mutants (and definitely all the X-Men) are dead because Charles had a seizure and accidentally killed them all, and the X-gene was then further eradicated through the genetic modification of the food supply.
But really, the film makes it seem like all the mutants (and definitely all the X-Men) are dead because Charles had a seizure and accidentally killed them all, and the X-gene was then further eradicated through the genetic modification of the food supply.
Dio Brando
Banned
100% agree. sums up what i felt while watching perfectly.
While there wasn't anything in mine, apparently some places could be getting this:
https://www.slashfilm.com/secret-logan-trailer/
Good movie, but very heavy handed at times. I enjoyed the movie very much though and it's an appropriate send-off.
That's the impression I got.
That's the impression I got.
Into the Light
Banned
Beautiful man. I could not have said it better.
Absolutely nothing in my showing here in Germany.
LucidMomentum
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Wait, if that means what I think it means that's actually Marvel canon.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
X-24 is a basically always-berzerkered Logan clone, yeah. I don't remember if it talks or not.
Dunno why it destroyed that guy's immersion, although it seems my very momentary confusion as to whether it was Logan or Schreiber's Sabertooth (it's the chops, I'm telling you) might be kind of a thing with other viewers as well.
Dunno why it destroyed that guy's immersion, although it seems my very momentary confusion as to whether it was Logan or Schreiber's Sabertooth (it's the chops, I'm telling you) might be kind of a thing with other viewers as well.
StrawberryJam
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Honestly, it just didn't seem in keeping with the tone of the movie up to that point for me. Sure there was some sci-fi DNA shit beforehand, but there were no straight up clones. All I could think of was a mirror match in a fighting game and there was two different Logan skins being used. But if people liked it then thats cool, just my thoughts on it.
X-24 was one of the worst things in this movie. And not only did we get one fight, we had to endure yet another by the end of the movie, and then it's not even Logan himself beating him in some heroic sacrifice or anything, which leads me to another issue I had with the movie.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, that's me, too. It didn't seem unbelievable at all, considering all the setup w/ the phone video (which was pretty clunky, and danced right up to the edge of overstaying its welcome), but it was more or less his Doomsday, albeit implemented better than the one in the comics AND both movies (animated and Live-Action)
But even the best-case Doomsday still has a ceiling on "cool" and it's barely taller than a hobbit's doorway.
Logan not actually getting over on X-24 fits the movie perfectly. He's too old. He made a big mistake drinking all that shit at one shot. He overreached, and needed to be saved himself.
Hell, there's something kinda weird/touching/fucked-up by watching Wolverine get killed by Wolverine, only living just long enough to see Wolverine shoot Wolverine with the bullet Wolverine was planning on using to kill himself with.
But you're kinda watching the holy trinity of Logan fight itself for a measure of peace and hope there. Logan making the standard "superhero-sacrifice" there doesn't slot in so easily.
Just came back from the movie. It was good, but I don't know. I expected more emotional gravitas. I found a bunch of scenes and especially the dialogue really clunky/cheesy. I also think the Logan & Laura relationship needed more work, because the ending pay-off wasn't fully there. X-24 was whatever.
Still a fun movie, but it's no The Last of Us.
Still a fun movie, but it's no The Last of Us.
captainraincoat
Banned
Im sorry...just saw the movie...love it but the last part of the movie sucks ass
the adamantium bullet really killed the story for me.....xmen origins wolverine he gets shot in the head and survives.....this movie it explodes x24s head and kills him....or it pretty much looks like it did
X24....cool idea...great entrance in killing off a loved character....then proceeds to walk around like a mindless robot chopping at things
The main villan....lets build him up as an asshole the whole movie....and have him get killed by grass and a bunch of kids
The last 3rd part of the movie almost feels like it was written by brian singer
the adamantium bullet really killed the story for me.....xmen origins wolverine he gets shot in the head and survives.....this movie it explodes x24s head and kills him....or it pretty much looks like it did
X24....cool idea...great entrance in killing off a loved character....then proceeds to walk around like a mindless robot chopping at things
The main villan....lets build him up as an asshole the whole movie....and have him get killed by grass and a bunch of kids
The last 3rd part of the movie almost feels like it was written by brian singer
It's good. But nowhere near as good as the reviews will help to believe.
It needs a longer run-time, some character relations remain surprisingly underdeveloped, which results in some scenes not working as well as they thought they would.
Also, that last fight is completely unsatisfying in terms of it being Jackman's last outing in the role.
It needs a longer run-time, some character relations remain surprisingly underdeveloped, which results in some scenes not working as well as they thought they would.
Also, that last fight is completely unsatisfying in terms of it being Jackman's last outing in the role.
More_Badass
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What's X-Men Origins Wolverine? I don't believe that movie exists.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Looking at some other discussions (not here, specifically) it's likely we're going to run into people for whom the early review window is going to predispose them to harsher evaluations, and also people who expect more overt heroism and rewarding (as opposed to punishing/exhausting) badassery in their superhero movie.
That's pretty much exactly what he is, though.
Which ones? There's only like, four meaningful relationships, total.
That's pretty much exactly what he is, though.
Which ones? There's only like, four meaningful relationships, total.
More_Badass
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This worth seeing on IMAX?
Logan x Laura, most surprisingly and disappointingly. I feel like they barely bonded and then the third act skips a lot of character progress and expects me to be emotional about something that was miserably developed.
Logan and Professor felt the best, great dialogue and chemistry throughout.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, I can't entirely disagree. The "daddy" moment at the end didn't really land the way I think Mangold wanted it to, because the hero worship aspect got kinda... glossed over. If we got the sense she was disappointed in Logan, or was trying to squash down her feelings for him as a father figure, that'd be one thing. But the movie basically sells us "They're basically the same person down to the way they just angrily lash out at fucking everything so their relationship arc is flatter than I'd like it by the end.
Granted, I think it still works overall, but it coulda worked better, definitely.
I don't think a longer runtime would have helped at all, though. The pacing was mostly good, and it only started to wobble in that last 20 minutes. It's pushing "too long" as it is (like a LOT of westerns do) and I don't think adding an extra 10-15 would help - especially not in the case of that specific relationship. Because the problem there isn't the time - its the choices made to have Laura's character act like that.
It would have just been more of that, I imagine. Not new/different stuff.
I also like that, just like Charles, Logan's ticket just gets punched. No buildup. No big dramatic lead-in to "THE MOMENT." He just gets caught slipping, and is ruined for it.
swearing-circle
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Great film.
It had subtleties with its story telling. Real character development and some heart wrenching scenes. This movie illustrated perfectly why death is tragic and not something super dramatic. Mourning death is the worst part and this movie showed it perfectly.
I had some issues with a few of the more goofy elements towards the end but I still really enjoyed it overall. Tied with TDK as my favourite comic book film.
It had subtleties with its story telling. Real character development and some heart wrenching scenes. This movie illustrated perfectly why death is tragic and not something super dramatic. Mourning death is the worst part and this movie showed it perfectly.
I had some issues with a few of the more goofy elements towards the end but I still really enjoyed it overall. Tied with TDK as my favourite comic book film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't think that was suggested? If it was I completely missed it.
moai
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Yes, it was his son.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Shit, really? When'd he say that?
It was during the exposition just before Rice died. I think he says something along the lines of "I've finally finished my father's work" (referring to making the Wolverine into a controllable weapon) or something to that effect. Like I said I didn't quite hear it clearly.
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