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[McLovin]

Heh.. well they got me to download it

 

[Xavien]

Is 3.5 RC basically what they'll be releasing in a couple weeks? I don't much feel like waiting.

Feature-wise, Yes. Bug-wise, No.

RC1 wasn't widely released to the public because its being used as a major bug-squashing exercise. I would wait till RC2 a little later in the month before trying it out.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Then he's hating ie8 for no reason

He his hating IE8 for an actual reason. It is listed right there. Why do you choose to ignore it? This is rather confusing.
Here it is again

the fact that IE ignores standards set in the web.

Do these words just get ignored by your eyes naturally or is it a conscious effort of yours to be ignorant?
Just trying to understand here. Help me out.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

"If we can't have HTML5 and CSS3, then none of you can!"

 

[Replicant]

You're about as original as they are.

Cry some moar. You want IE to be liked? Tell MS to make better browser then.

Then he's hating ie8 for no reason

IE8 is a mile improvement over 7 and 6 but still not as web standard compliant as Firefox or Safari.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

IE8 is standards compliant with the shit from a decade ago. It's 2009, and they just caught up with 1999.

It's 2009 now, and IE is the only browser holding us back from: the canvas element (vectors and animation... this would kill Flash's usefulness on the Internet), audio and video elements (more shit that would make Flash unnecessary), and tons of useful CSS transformations and effects (rounded corners, box shadows, text shadows, transforms, rotating elements, attribute selectors, pseudoclasses).

Or if this makes no sense to you, look at this chart: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html. Look at where all of the red is located.

 

[VAIL]

IE8 is standards compliant with the shit from a decade ago. It's 2009, and they just caught up with 1999.

It's 2009 now, and IE is the only browser holding us back from: the canvas element (vectors and animation... this would kill Flash's usefulness on the Internet), audio and video elements (more shit that would make Flash unnecessary), and tons of useful CSS transformations and effects (rounded corners, box shadows, text shadows, transforms, rotating elements, attribute selectors, pseudoclasses).

Or if this makes no sense to you, look at this chart: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html. Look at where all of the red is located.

Wow, that's a fucking embarrassment.

 

[Banana Kid]

CHROME 4 LYFE

 

[NumberTwo]

Just 10,000? Na, I don't need it that bad.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

i've never felt so hated in my life

Microsoft redeemed.

 

[Shins]

I, for one, find that awesome.

 

[Windu]

I, for one, find that awesome.

indeed.

 

[santouras]

IE8 is standards compliant with the shit from a decade ago. It's 2009, and they just caught up with 1999.

It's 2009 now, and IE is the only browser holding us back from: the canvas element (vectors and animation... this would kill Flash's usefulness on the Internet), audio and video elements (more shit that would make Flash unnecessary), and tons of useful CSS transformations and effects (rounded corners, box shadows, text shadows, transforms, rotating elements, attribute selectors, pseudoclasses).

Or if this makes no sense to you, look at this chart: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html. Look at where all of the red is located.

I can't see canvas even denting flash tbh

 

[Wraith]

IE8 is actually a competent browser. Haters will hate, of course, but IE8 is not a bad product.

Regarding the whining about CSS, are the items being mentioned even referenced in the current(2.1) spec? I don't believe CSS3 has been "ratified" at this point so it's difficult to blame MS for not bothering to implement it. Stodgy of them, of course, but hardly indefensible given where IE7 was. In fact, Microsoft mentioned that they were targeting CSS 2.1 compliance, and they've made leaps and bounds toward that. IE8 does appear to pass the Acid 2 test without a hitch.

 

[Slightly Live]

Microsoft: "Switch to IE8 or get lost!"
Me: "Fuck you, too!"

 

[Particle Physicist]

Heh.. well they got me to download it

you can use any browser and just change your 'user agent'

i can see their clues through safari like this.

 

[Vyer]

IE8 is standards compliant with the shit from a decade ago. It's 2009, and they just caught up with 1999.

It's 2009 now, and IE is the only browser holding us back from: the canvas element (vectors and animation... this would kill Flash's usefulness on the Internet), audio and video elements (more shit that would make Flash unnecessary), and tons of useful CSS transformations and effects (rounded corners, box shadows, text shadows, transforms, rotating elements, attribute selectors, pseudoclasses).

Or if this makes no sense to you, look at this chart: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html. Look at where all of the red is located.

That's pretty sad. :lol at people getting defensive/trying to give MS props.

There shouldn't even be fanboy wars coming into play here.

 

[demon]

fanboyism should've ended with SNES vs genesis.

 

[Mamesj]

fuck everything, I'm going back to AOL, private room: gifs1

 

[ScientificNinja]

Hahah - it detected IE7 right after I downloaded IE8, but not after the reboot :\

I don't need ten grand; Microsoft can go fuck itself.

 

[Drkirby]

Damn it Microsoft D:

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[electricpirate]

Wow, I didn't realize that the CSS was so backasswards on IE8.

That said, I do like the browsing experience, and the javascript debugger is the best built in by a country mile, and on par with firebug IMO.

 

[santouras]

Damn it Microsoft D:

first clue doesn't come out till friday anyway

 

[D4Danger]

:lol Mozilla just put this page

http://www.tengrandisburiedthere.com/

(zoom in using the tool in the top left)

 

[rex64]

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/18/mozilla-shows-microsoft-where-10000-is-buried/

 

[Nemo]

fanboyism should've ended with SNES vs genesis.

That shit is STILL going on.

 

[Dilly]

Been trying Firefox 3.5 RC1 today, with 20-25 tabs open and 16 add-ons, it uses a grand total of 182-187MB in resource usage and is also lightning fast compared to 3.0.

So yeah, much better than 3.0 which could easily double that.

Great, because I really don't like FF3

 

[Truant]

How ironic would it be if someone accidentally sumbles upon the website, and thinks it's one of those 'YOU WIN THE PRIZE' ads.

 

[andycapps]

IE 8 is actually not that bad. Firefox 3.5 I find to be much faster than 3, and still faster than IE 8. Chrome still has everyone beaten, but it just doesn't have all the customizations that Firefox has. But yeah, when I have to use IE 8 for Netflix streaming, I don't find it to be that bad. Firefox 3.5 will still remain my main browser, at least for the time being.

 

[Jefklak]

:lol Mozilla just put this page

http://www.tengrandisburiedthere.com/

(zoom in using the tool in the top left)

Awesome counter-action :lol
When browsing using Opera (10beta) it simply says "that browser" instead of for example "old firefox". Kinda.. meh.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx

holy shit :lol

 

[Mareg]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx

holy shit :lol

This is jut plain wrong. If I were the leader of one of the other camp and didn't know the lawyer power of MS, I would be thing about sueing.

 

[Phobophile]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx

holy shit :lol

Wow this is a huge fucking cop-out.

 

[tino]

OK I admit, that's pretty funny Microsoft.

Can't wait to see the day they pay to get people upgrade from XP to Win 7, 8, 9.

 

[joshschw]

You Firefox users shold really stay out of this thread. FF3 and above are horrific.

IE8 trounces them. I just checked IE8 vs. Chrome and Chromium builds and it's faster in most cases. I would use it but I much prefer the Chrome single address/search bar and the layout with tabs being on top with minimal buttons and icons up there.

 

[AndrewG009]

Not enough money in the world to get me to use IE.

 

[Souldriver]

So this is like one big joke campaign right? The way all this is presented, sounds -almost- like a parody. "boring browsers", "Neither Firefox nor Chrome provide guidance or enterprise tools. That's just not nice", "get lost".

I kinda like the silly approach, but it still is mainly focused on making the competition look bad, which I never really like.

 

[Keylime]

You Firefox users shold really stay out of this thread. FF3 and above are horrific.

IE8 trounces them. I just checked IE8 vs. Chrome and Chromium builds and it's faster in most cases. I would use it but I much prefer the Chrome single address/search bar and the layout with tabs being on top with minimal buttons and icons up there.

...really?

(smaller is better)

(bigger is better)

 

[Replicant]

IE8 trounces them. I just checked IE8 vs. Chrome and Chromium builds and it's faster in most cases.

 

[joshschw]

Your reposnse is actually a more compelling argument than the guy above you.

Random bar charts which dont even identify what they're measuring.

 

[gofreak]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx

holy shit :lol

That's incredible. I particularly lol-ed at the developer tools bit. Developing 'browser helper objects' for IE (that is, extensions/add-ons) is a frickin nightmare compared to FF et al.

 

[Replicant]

Your reposnse is actually a more compelling argument than the guy above you.

I often wonder how much I'd get paid by MS if I say something like that.

Random bar charts which dont even identify what they're measuring.

O rly? Tell us then what methodology you used to test those browsers? What software you used? Under what optimization? The machine used?

 

[Keylime]

Your reposnse is actually a more compelling argument than the guy above you.

Random bar charts which dont even identify what they're measuring.

First graph:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-272792.html

Second graph:
http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/browserStatistics.action

Enjoy!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Your reposnse is actually a more compelling argument than the guy above you.

Random bar charts which dont even identify what they're measuring.

So what were you using to measure "it's faster"?

 

[joshschw]

Tell us then what methodology you used to test those browsers? What software you used? Under what optimization? The machine used?

Sure!

My netbook laptop and desktop. both Windows 7.
On the webpages I visit.


That seems pretty fair, what other configurations would possibly matter to me?

So what were you using to measure "it's faster"?

My eyes. I really wonder about some of you... buububu charts...

 

[Souldriver]

...really?

(smaller is better)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Rubxqub/pc_benchmarks1425.jpg[IMG]

(bigger is better)
[IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Rubxqub/090518_fastest_browser.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Why do you even try?


[I]"these people should stay out of this thread!"[/I]


I mean, seriously..

 

[Keylime]

Sure!

My netbook laptop and desktop. both Windows 7.
On the webpages I visit.


That seems pretty fair, what other configurations would possibly matter to me?

I dare you to visit this site and test both browsers and post your results:
http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/index.action

 

[Replicant]

Sure!

My netbook laptop and desktop. both Windows 7.
On the webpages I visit.


That seems pretty fair, what other configurations would possibly matter to me?

So are you telling us that your experience is >>>>>>>> than the aggregation experience of many users out there? And you're assuming that your one experience will always be that way?

With that logic, I can say that I have lousy time using IE8 most of the time in comparison to my time using Safari. By doing that my opinion already weighs against yours. 1 vs 1.

 

[Aselith]

It's detecting IE7, but he's using IE8.

Are you sure? I think that contest is a static page. It's to try to get people to upgrade.

 

[joshschw]

I dare you to visit this site and test both browsers and post your results:
http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/index.action

I'm happy to do it, but you don't seem to get it. That thing made by browser slow to crawl. Oveloading an internet browser with tons of calculations is not how you measure how fast it is. Visiting a website is how you do that. Since you know, that's what browsers are actually for.

So are you telling us that your experience is >>>>>>>> than the aggregation experience of many users out there? And you're assuming that your one experience will always be that way?

With that logic, I can say that I have lousy time using IE8 most of the time in comparison to my time using Safari. By doing that my opinion already weighs against yours. 1 vs 1.

Yes. My experience is better and more important than yours. Why would I possibly care about your results? Firefox has run like crap on every computer I've ever used it on though, which is why I posted intially.