fortified_concept said:
I won't expand on why I'm on the side of these demonstrators, everyone who knows me as a poster knows that's I'll always be on the side of the poor and disenfranchised even when they respond violently and I always think there are more reasons than the obvious for large scale uprisings.
I grew up very poor. Poorer than many of these Chavs. I grew up in the 1970s in Scotland, in Wester Hailes. At that time, we were more deprived than the current generation. Our housing was so substandard (lead, damp, mold, etc) that eventually the projects I lived in were razed. The crime and drug use were basically universal. Because of the pverty and the conditions of course. But there were a couple simple differences in those days that made widespread malaise and rioting far from normal.
2. There was no method of instant mass communication or remote socialization. No cellphones, no smartphones, no Facebook. In short, an idea or a riot couldn't spread very quickly - and even when it did, it was hemmed in by geography and distance.
A third difference is one I sort of dismiss. Race. Race is simply an expression of poverty. Where I grew up, there were no black, Asian or Polish kids. Just thousands of pale faced, empty-eyed little shits. The kids wrecking these storefronts in London and Manchester and Liverpool are the same kids. Their skin color is an expression of neighborhood and poverty. Black, white, Asian, whatever. It's the same kids from 1970s Wester Hailes.
The only real, substantially measurable differences are education and communication. The lack of the former and the surfeit of the latter.
1. Education,
including coproral punishment, meant that schools at least, were disciplined and ordered. Those who wished to learn could do so easily and in a calm, supportive environment. Then, like me, they could go home to poverty and literally hunger.
Socrates said:
"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers."
The quote above is actually falsely attributed to Socrates, but probably dates back to at least the 10th Century and is largely paraphrased, but its point remains.
Hesiod said:
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words.
When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of
elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of
restraint.