GetInTheRobot
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This took me from meh to excited...always been a big fan of Yusuke, but I still want an african based game...a Zulu assassin centered around spear based combat.
Looks like Assassin’s Creed Red’s protagonist is an African Samurai
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Gaiff
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AC: Levantine (Arabic)
ACII: Italian (White)
ACIII: British/Native American (Mixed)
ACIV: Welsh (White)
AC Unity: French (White)
AC Rogue: British (White)
AC Syndicate: British (White)
AC Origins: Egyptian/Nubian (Mixed)
AC Odyssey: Greek (White)
AC Valhalla: Norseman (White)
AC Mirage: Arabic
Out of the 11 mainline AC games, the protagonist is white 7 times and the list two titles featured white protagonists, but Ubisoft is a "trash anti-white company"?
I swear, some people really don't think before typing stupid shit. Of course, for your ass it's a problem because the protagonist might be black and it hurts your soul.
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Gaiff
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What puzzles me however, how is the black protagonist supposed to hide in plain sight if he's black and especially if he's Yasuke? Apparently, the man was 6'2" which is quite tall anywhere in the world even in 2023. He would have been a giant back in the late 1500s-early 1600s, especially in Japan. That'd be like a 6'7" black man trying to blend in in modern Japan.
bender
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Gaiff
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Yeah, I only counted mainline games but Aveline was cool. Looking at it now, Lady Maria from Bloodborne remind me of her.Don't forget my favorite design:
Reizo Ryuu
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Except Origins is honestly completely unplayable compared to any other entry in the franchise.
First time I played it I enjoyed it, quite a bit; the new mechanics were fresh and exciting at the time and I had a good time with it.
So after valhalla I tried playing the console version for some easy gamerscore (or so I thought), just running through the story/main quest, only to realise the game doesn't allow this at all.
You absolutely have to do side-mission nonsense in order to level up, otherwise the main quest will out level you rather quickly, leaving you to face enemies that effectively one shot you:
I couldn't progress beyond this point, because I kept dying in 1 or 2 hits, and I had no interest in any of the side quest trash, so I said fuck it and uninstalled.
Origins suffers heavily from insane level gating, Odyssey has this problem as well but much toned down. Valhalla just completely gets rid of it (removing side missions and all the nonsense borderlands style loot from Odyssey) and lets you assassinate whoever you want regardless of your gear or level, allowing it to be played much closer to the "classic" games, it's easily the best of the three, even though it has the weakest setting.
ToTTenTranz
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We should establish a baseline for you.
How woke is this situation on a scale from 1 to 10:
How about this one:
Oh come on...
If the game really does star Yasuke then it's set in late XVI century with Nobunaga as Daimyo.
Historical records say there were hundreds of thousands of samurais during that period, 30k samurai under Nobunaga alone.
So assuming (minimum) 200 000 samurai during that period, why exactly do you think they went with the only African Samurai in recorded history?
Why did they specifically choose to represent the (maximum) 0.0005% of the samurai population, if not to:
1 - Virtue Signaling
2 - Fan Baiting
3 - Have that "racist gamers" shield if the game turns out a turd and people complain
?
But for me, the most egregious part of it all is that the series was created around the Assassins, specifically the Hashashyin Order from Persia.
Japan already has their historical equivalent to the Hashashyin, the Shinobi / Ninja, a mix between intelligence officers and assassins through subterfuge, which fits perfectly with the game series and is exactly why people have been asking for an AC title set in Japan.
Instead, their fixation on virtue signaling and sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS is so high on their priority that their heads located far up their ass became unable to see what made the game series so good.
It doesn't even make sense to do an Assassin out of a Samurai. The Assassins' method are completely opposite to the Bushido. At least in Ghost of Tsushima they approach that theme pretty well.
If they wanted a black Assassin (again) that much, why not do it in a place where it made sense? Why is no one asking for a blond Assassin set in the Zulu Kingdom nor an asian Assassin doing jobs for Simon Bolivar?
We all know why they're going after that 0.0005% representation. Let's just stop lying to ourselves.
And at the very least, I'm expecting this game to suck because their priorities suck. It's been happening with games, with TV series and with movies all over the place. Just look at Disney.
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Your mindset sounds poisoned by the culture wars. Look at your own reaction to a historically sound black protagonist without any other information.
Gaiff
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You're literally answering your own question. Why pick the most unique of the known samurais? Geez, I wonder why? There are hundreds of games and media featuring other samurais but precious few featuring Yasuke. It's a vacuum that hasn't been exploited and Ubisoft is moving in on that. It doesn't have to be any of what you're claiming unless you're incredibly narrow-minded.
This isn't a situation like Cleopatra that was black-washed for that awful Netflix docuseries. This is a known historical figure. Why do you think so many people can name Yasuke off the top of their heads despite knowing very little about Japanese history? Because he's black and stands out. There's an opportunity for a unique story, yet here you are bitching.
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Hendrick's
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As long as the story is good, the main character can be whatever. I just want the combat to be better than other AC games. It needs to not have sponge enemies you hack away at with your katana.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Why would you generalize my reaction to Yasuke based on the single context of an Assassin's Creed game?
There is nothing wrong in doing a Yasuke videogame. It's the bending over backwards to make Yasuke the protagonist of the next Assassin's Creed that is representative of the game directors' virtue signaling priorities. They kicked the Shinobi out of the equation just so they could virtue signal on Yasuke.
Why would it feature a Samurai protagonist in the first place, if Samurais don't fit the Assassins' methods at all?
Holding a weapon in feudal Japan means Samurai to you? Here's a pitchfork, great now you're a Samurai?
And about Yasuke:
- There is a Yasuke netflix series
- There is a Yasuke Hollywood movie that started production in 2019 but was postponed because Chadwick Boseman passed away. The film is still coming out
- A movie called Yasuke: Descendents released this year.
- Another movie called "The Legend of Yasuke" in production
- Another movie called Yasuke: Soul of a Samurai in pre-production
Quite the filled up vacuum.
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BaneIsPain
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And I'm out. No thanks
bender
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Obviously the answer is "?".
Gaiff
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Are you joking? AC Odyssey features demi-god protagonists and has you journey in a simulation of Ancient Greek mythology and you go "Samurais don't fit my assassins?"
So filled up that you had to scrounge up this pathetic list that includes 3 works that have yet to come out of 5. You managed to come up with a TV series and a movie. A whopping two pieces of media for a person who died over 400 years ago. Bang up job and thank you for proving my point.
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Assassin's Creed hasn't been about assassins for a very long time. The last protagonist was a Viking, the previous one an Ancient Greek hero, the one before that a Medjay. You're outraged about a ship that sailed circa Black Flag a decade ago. It's a third person action adventure franchise with a revisionist historical backdrop now, not a series about assassins.
Gaiff
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Like this hasn't been memed to death.
Everyone familiar with the series know the entire "assassin's and Templars" angle is still played because they have to somehow include it. Traditional AC completely died with Origins and they dropped the pretense of historical accuracy years ago.
bender
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Like this hasn't been memed to death.
Everyone familiar with the series know the entire "assassin's and Templars" angle is still played because they have to somehow include it. Traditional AC completely died with Origins and they dropped the pretense of historical accuracy years ago.
The harness on the wolf isn't period accurate. How was that overlooked?
ToTTenTranz
Banned
"?" is probably ESG score.
That part of the last 3 games sucks, and Ubisoft knows it sucks. Which is why they're claiming the game is "returning to its roots" with Assassin's Creed Mirage.
Assassin's Creed Mirage Director Says Game Will Return to Series Roots
After its RPG-style iterations, Assassin's Creed Mirage's Director, Stephane Boudon, says he's ready to revisit the series' origins with the new game.
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Pejo
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I was really hoping for a shinobi/kunoichi "return to its roots" reboot where it was an actual assassin game again instead of a bloated collect-a-thon RPG, so the fact that the samurai is black is much less of a concern to me than that it's a samurai MC in the first place. Ubi can't do combat, but their stealth system was passable. If they put some effort into improving those elements, it could have been a good game.
Now we're gonna be likely to get "slightly more bloated and less good than Ghost of Tsushima".
Ninja Hitman when?
Now we're gonna be likely to get "slightly more bloated and less good than Ghost of Tsushima".
Ninja Hitman when?
bender
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Or maybe, just maybe, they are trying to differentiate themselves from Tsushima (and the forthcoming sequel) and Rise of the Ronin.
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Gaiff
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>There are hundreds of thousands of samurais to choose from
Yeah, so it stands to reason that we choose the black one since, y'know, he's unique. Between Nioh, Rise of the Ronin, Like a Dragon Isshin, Way of Samurai, Kessen, and a myriad of others, Ubisoft went the easy route of picking the black one which hasn't yet been done in a video game and it makes them woke?
I'm also pissed a shitty company like them is tackling a Yasuke game. I would have preferred Team Ninja or another Japanese developer. They would probably have access to much better sources and translators and are just better at making games than Ubisoft.
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Pejo
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Ok name 3 games that had a better stealth system that came out in the past 10 years.
bender
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ToTTenTranz
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They would differentiate from Ghost of Tsushima by using a Shinobi protagonist which would actually disguise themselves to assassinate targets instead of going with Samurais who were bound by honor to announce their attack beforehand.
If you think this Assassin's Creed game is going to differentiate a lot from Ghost of Tsushima by using again a Samurai but with a different color value for the skin, you're in for a bad time.
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TGO
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bender
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If you are playing Assassin's Creed, you are in for a bad time. Assassinating enemies, oddly enough, has always been a weakness of the series.
Swagballs717
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Oh look, a new thread made eight hours ago that's already on five pages, this ought to be good
ToTTenTranz
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Well my Alexios lived until circa 2019 so that's perfectly feasible in my AC multiverse.I would pay a thousand dollars if there a big opnening scene with a masked samurai just kicking ass.... Then after the big battle he slowly pulls his mask down to reveal........
Alexios the Samurai!!!
It still sucks that he's not a Ninja instead, though.
Reizo Ryuu
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You're projecting, Valhalla was the biggest AC launch of all time and is the 2nd highest ubisoft game overall when it comes to earnings; it's the only AC that has hit 1b revenue thus far.
You'd have to be seriously delusional to think Ubisoft would just look and go "no thanks", and stop making them.
No, AC mirage ironically started as DLC for valhalla, but it grew to be big enough to be a standalone game; the only reason it's "returning to its roots" is because it's about the assassin that trains the protagonist of valhalla and gives them the hidden blade; 99% of valhalla can already be played completely in stealth, so mirage isn't doing anything special there; only difference is that it's a smaller scale game (because of how it started) and you're an assassin from an assassin order.
It's not because they hated all the money valhalla made and decided to shit on their own work lol, they just saw even more revenue/profits by just selling mirage standalone instead of DLC.
ToTTenTranz
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Lol.. Mirage was a DLC for Valhalla "for a few weeks and only on paper".
Samurai engaged in surprise attacks and misdirection all the time, and had no such stipulations about announcing attacks or fighting head-on.
The most famous samurai of all time constantly screwed with his opponents and never fought fair.
Killer8
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If this is the direction they're going to go in, i'd like it to at least reflect on the reality of being black in Japan during the time period (indeed today there is a lot of xenophobia in Japan towards outsiders, regardless of race). Yasuke's appearance for example caused a huge stir wherever he went. If the game wants to do that modern thing of just not acknowledging it at all and every NPC is automatically super nice to you, as if you just fit right in, that's just going to be retarded. There is some real potential here to do something interesting but I guarantee Ubisoft will fuck it up.
Reizo Ryuu
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This is a fairy tale, or you're getting your history from anime or something, there was no honor on the battlefield
Yes, that doesn't change anything I said; it (the scope) grew too big and it will make more money as a standalone game. It has nothing to do with your claim that ubisoft dislikes valhalla (they don't, it made them all the money).
Gaiff
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You don't seriously believe that. This comes from the same school that thinks samurais didn't use guns.
And just so we're clear because you keep conflating things; samurais were a social class like knights. A shinobi was a profession; a covert operative. They're not two different classes or jobs as is portrayed in games. A samurai could 100% train in the art of stealth, reconnaissance, infiltration and assassination if it ticked his fancy. Though they probably wouldn't and employ an expert instead.
That's also all assuming that the protagonist is actually Yasuke which we've been running with. For all we know, it could be someone else who never existed...or this could be just a bullshit rumor.
The Fuzz damn you!
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Just poking fun at their similar names. This thread is hilarious by the way.
Edit-
Fuz
is the imposter, obviously.
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Guerilla Munch
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BIG BUSHIDO CAWK 
ToTTenTranz
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Lokaum D+
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Kind it is, u have 19377948849224729938 japanese samurai and u choose the only black one, like, lets represent japanese culture by not using a japanese person.
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rabbity-thing
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genesisblock
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Personally, I have no issue with this. But I feel there is a lot of missed opportunity here. Is Yasuke really that significant to have his own playable role here? All other Assassin's Creed tend to have characters go around historical figures but never as a playable character if I recall. No doubt, it is kinda sus when this every other AC title have their own regional characters save for Black Flag.
Second, there's so much missed opportunity here, like the rivalry between the Koga / Iga ninjas here, all you could be a ninja under Hattori Hanzo. But hey, Ubi gonna Ubi.
Second, there's so much missed opportunity here, like the rivalry between the Koga / Iga ninjas here, all you could be a ninja under Hattori Hanzo. But hey, Ubi gonna Ubi.
ToTTenTranz
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I made no such claim.
The part about assassin's Creed games not being about assassinations is what sucks. No one ever said anything about Ubisoft hating Valhalla.
TGO
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They would be a Rōnin, would they not?Surprise attacks, yes.
Stealth killing, debatable to say the least.
Given everything required to be part of a Creed they would automatically become a Rōnin.
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ToTTenTranz
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So much this.
If anything, the media is flooded with Samurai but very few have done a decent portrayal of the secretive Shinobi.
Much more than the protagonist not being asian, what really bothers me is the lost opportunity to have an Iga or Koga Ninja as protagonist.
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