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Looks like Heyman may be gone from the WWE.

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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
He was kicked off the writing team for listeing in to a Raw writers teleconference without permission.. he didnt show up to a couple of shows that he was expected to be at. He hasnt been on TV since he was booted from the writing team.. and as of yesterday his profile is gone from WWE.com

Its a real shame too, because all signs point to him being the main writer behind JBL's promos as well as heidenreich.
 

G4life98

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it would be cool if this was all a work for the rumored ecw ppv...but when has the wwe every been that smart :lol
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
G4life98 said:
it would be cool if this was all a work for the rumored ecw ppv...but when has the wwe every been that smart :lol

yeah, but Heyman has allways been that smart. I dont think its gonna happen, but this would be a vintage Heyman buildup.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
*sigh*

If this is true, the only good thing that would come out of this is Heyman joining ROH or NWA-TNA, preferably the latter. Of course, the Jarrett Show couldn't tolerate that for long.
 

Hollywood

Banned
I swear if I win the lottery, I'm taking that money - calling Paul Heyman - and ressurecting ECW. Who's with me? Bishop?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Hollywood said:
I swear if I win the lottery, I'm taking that money - calling Paul Heyman - and ressurecting ECW. Who's with me? Bishop?


I want in, I want to be the new evil heel ref, but I want to win the strap.. just wait for two guys in a title match to KO each other.. then cover one and count out three myself :lol.

The first thing you should do is double whatever they are paying Paul London. That guy could CARRY a show. But the WWE thinks he is better off jobbing on Velocity... and yeah, Heyman might be a world class asshat, but the guy is the best promoter to every come along.. Im still 100% sure he is responsible for JBL's new characther.
 

G4life98

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StoOgE said:
I want in, I want to be the new evil heel ref, but I want to win the strap.. just wait for two guys in a title match to KO each other.. then cover one and count out three myself :lol.

The first thing you should do is double whatever they are paying Paul London. That guy could CARRY a show. But the WWE thinks he is better off jobbing on Velocity... and yeah, Heyman might be a world class asshat, but the guy is the best promoter to every come along.. Im still 100% sure he is responsible for JBL's new characther.

and dont let heyman anywhere near the finances.
 

Lyte Edge

All I got for the Vernal Equinox was this stupid tag
I wish someone that could REALLY fund a wrestling promotion, like say, Ted Turner (wasn't he expressinf interest in a new promotion anyway?) would let Paul Heyman start up something new with wrestling like ECW, have him do the writing/booking, and then have someone else handle the finances and let him go crazy without having to worry about going under. If anything, it would force the WWE to step up and change things...IMO the biggest "problem" the WWE has is the lack of competition.
 

pilonv1

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This seems to be a recurring theme with Heyman - show up the current staff, get on the bad side of someone with power, get demoted off the writing staff, take some time off, return to writing staff. I'd be shocked if he doesn't come back at some point.
 

Hollywood

Banned
I read an interview by Paul E, and he said he wouldn't start a new promotion again unless he had some financial backing. It's way too much of a problem to pay the bills, write the story, and everything else. He essentially did the functions of about 50 different people when he ran ECW.

What I like most about Heyman is he relies on history, doesn't treat the fans like they know absolutely nothing, and have long term amnesia and can't remember anything from 2 weeks back. Wrestling fans have way longer memories and tradition than the WWE gives them credit for. I remember reading how Vince was so shocked about how when Hulk Hogan came back he got the largest reaction while he was there. Hmmm ... I wonder why Vince.

Heyman can take a no name wrestler and make it seem like something, and give legitimacy to every match on a card. Honestly these days, it just seems like .. not even wrestling anymore. Outside of maybe 1 or 2 matches on a PPV - everything else seems thrown together. Who gives a shit about a title match with Balcore Holly and Billy Gunn fighting some French and Japanese dude?

Seriously I'm getting so sick of WWE, I used to be the biggest fan - now its not even a big deal if I watch a show. Nothing seems important anymore, and even if WWE brought back the Rock, Hogan, Lesnar, Austin, and Goldberg all in one night - right now it wouldn't even seem important - thats how bad WWE is. Nothing is exciting, and everything is pure shit. HBK comes back, which fans have been wanting ever since he left - then when he comes back, its not even a big deal. WWE is so fucked up right now ... its just pathetic. I can't even explain why it is, it just is.
 

LakeEarth

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WWE in deep trouble, ratings plummet, pay-per-view buyrates non-existant, what do they do to change this trend?

I know, fire everyone who has a chance of fixing the problem and keep HHH champion for the next 6 years! BRILLIANT!
 

Hollywood

Banned
LakeEarth said:
WWE in deep trouble, ratings plummet, pay-per-view buyrates non-existant, what do they do to change this trend?

I know, fire everyone who has a chance of fixing the problem and keep HHH champion for the next 6 years! BRILLIANT!

Triple H tries so hard to be a Ric Flair wanna be, but he's just not - and he needs to get over it.

What was so great back in the 'Attitude' era was you never knew what would happen. Hmm, will someone come back? Will Austin come in with God knows what and kick everyone's ass? Will there be nudity? Will Mick Foley do some hilarious shit, or some crazy shit? It was just a lot of fun to watch.

I don't watch RAW, don't have cable - but watching Smackdown I notice a lot of things that needs to be done:

- A lot of no name generic wrestlers no one cares about pollute the show. Who cares about generic 6'8 guy like Luther Reigns or anything like that?

- Besides JBL now, there's no humor. Eddie used to be so hilarious, but suddenly they decide to take him off the show most of the time. His matches were funny, what he would do in the ring. Now he's just turned into a Spanish speaking idiot who doesn't do much of anything. Angle is the same way. Instead of a jerky dork heel who did stuff to make people laugh while doing it, he's just turned into a run of the mill bad guy. They need to let their wrestlers be how they were when they were hot. They jsut seem like1 parody's of their formerselves. Everyone does the same 2 or 3 moves in the ring, the same taunts, the same everything. Everyone hits their spots every match, and its not really entertaining.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Continuity issues are what piss me off the most about the WWE.

Paul Bearer gets killed and Kane is mostly pissed that Hardy cost him his Cruiserweight title shot the next night. Nevermind that your brother just MURDERED YOUR FATHER.

Or how about C&E now being 'a good tag team'. They could play up an awesome angle about them being brothers and Edge thinking Christian was allways holding him down, and how Christian only got in the WWE because of Edge, etc.

My jaw almost hit the floor when Regal mentioned that he was HHH's mentor in the WCW. That kind of shit is GOLD. You throw together a trillion meaningless matches when most of these guys have feuded with everyone on the roster at some point in the last 10 years.

Also, what the fuck are they doing with the London/Chavo/Kidman angle they had going? Kidman was getting some BIG heat there for a while, and they have simply brushed this under the rug and have all three of them jobbing to people on Velocity now... way to go asswipes.

About the only thing they have done well in the last year was the Christian/Y2J angle, putting Benjamin over Trips, setting up Benoits title reign (though the actual run was crap), setting up Batistas turn, Edge's turn and JBL's title run... and to a lesser extent the elimination chamber is set up well.

but in each of those situations you have a massive 'but'.

Christian gets hurt, and when he returns does a week long mini-feud with Y2J, somehow Trish and Tyson Tomko disapear, Tomko reapears, and then they start a tag team feud with Y2J and HBK, then HBK gets a title push gets hurt, and they have done NOTHING with Jericho since C's return. (When Vince McMahon vacated the title while Jericho was GM, he should have declared himself champ).

They put Benjamin over Trips, then parlayed that into a decent fued between Benjamin and Orton... and since Sheltons return? He has feuded with Christian when he should have come after Trips and had Batista sent after him. A Batista/Benjamin feud would be gold right now.

Benoits push to the belt was perfect.. his second match was perfect (Triple threat).. his match with HBK was awesome until the end. When HHH's ego got in the way... from that point on Benoit would be the champ, but would be relegated to second tier matches while they found a way to make sure HHH was still the main event. A thrown together fued with Kane? Check. A feud with HHH where Benoit couldnt win without the help of a retard? Check. Losing to Orton with absolutely no setup at all? Check.

So far Batistas turn has been perfect, including the fake turn a few weeks back. Im sure they will muck all of this up by trying to make him an instant good guy who teams up with Benoit to take on the evil HHH. He and Orton should both be tweeners for a while.. hell, Stone Cold was never a goodie goodie and he is the biggest star in WWE history, save Hogan, maybe.

Edges turn again has been without problem so far, except for the fact that they cant get him a solid feud going.. he had something with Benoit that is being brushed aside at the moment.. I think there is going to be a massive payoff with a Cage match or something at Wrestlemania though. Also, I should say that post turn Edge has been perfect.. the actual turn took way to long, and it seemed like on week he was gonna be a good guy and the next he hated the world.
 

LakeEarth

Member
I dunno. They have to realize that just because a heel goes over DOESN'T MEAN he has to turn face (Cena) or it doesn't mean he has to stop whatever is making people like him (Angle, Dupri's dance thing). The Rock was huge popular being the same prick he was when he was a bad guy. He didn't change, except that he helped the good guys instead of the badguys.

The other thing, which Hollywood touched upon, was that everyone has some generic name. What kind of "monster heel" name is Stinksky? Brock Lesnar may be his real name, but it's a strong name that's worthy of a monster heel. Batista and Heidenriet (sp) are other names, to a lesser extent. But Stinksky? Come on WWE, give him a persona.

Also, give personas to the midcarders too, they blur together FAR FAR too much. You don't know how many times I confuse Shelton Benjamin for Orlando Jordan. Not just because they're both black (I mean if I was watching a match between them I'd know who was who), but because they are both generic characters with similar builds and normal names.

Come on WWE, your heyday had people named The Rock, X-Pac, Mr Ass, The Godfather, Mankind.... do you think the Rock would be the same hit he was if good ole JR kept calling him Duane?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
yeah, but Snitsky has been a great charachter... when he walked out and punted a baby doll into the audience, I didnt stop laughing for 5 minutes. Its too bad they didnt make heidenreich's charachter a nazi that was frozen and dethawed in present day like they wanted. :lol Though poem reading crazy Heidenreich is good too.

charachters being misused is another common problem.. case in point being Matt Hardy.. he went from the most entertaining charachter on smackdown to "random guy with a cool intro".. of course he was 'generic extreme guy' when he was with the Hardyz but you can get away with anything when you jump off a 30 foot ladder through a table. I miss the real version 1 who would just do whatever benefited him the most.
 

Hollywood

Banned
I think Heidenrich can be a big star, I read Heyman talking about him in an interview - he said he is just as crazy in real life as he appears on TV. Thing is though, once he gets in a match with Taker - he gets SQUASHED. Taker shows up maybe once every couple weeks now, and is not involved in anything.

WWE was doing a good mix of established/unestablished stars a while back. Edge/Hogan, Piper/O Haire, and so on. I'll admit, I'm a big Hogan fan, and even though he can barely wrestle - he's a big time player for events like Wrestlemania and can put on a good match when needed. While he could get an awesome reaction just by showing up - if they made him a 'godfather' like nWo character he used to be - he could realy push someone as a top heel. Stick an up and coming star with him, form an nWo style stable and see what happens. Trying to reform the nWo or anything like that wouldn't work, especially if they did it with the same old people - but team him up with a decent guy on Smackdown, and maybe a couple of other stable members - and I bet it would do well.
 
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