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[Reizo Ryuu]

And the EEA and Nature data?

Grok thought about it and gave a lot of maybe and possiblys, but I think these two sections might give some insight:

• WHO's Broader Definition of Europe: The WHO may define "Europe" more expansively, potentially including regions like parts of Eastern Europe or the Mediterranean with higher heat vulnerability. This wider geographical scope could inflate its numbers.
• CDC, EEA, and Nature Focus: The EEA naturally focuses on European Union countries or a subset of Europe, while the CDC's involvement might reflect collaboration with European agencies or a focus on specific regions. Nature studies could also narrow their scope to well-documented areas, leading to lower totals.

• CDC, EEA, and Nature Precision: The CDC often relies on national health surveillance systems, while the EEA and Nature studies might use direct observational data or peer-reviewed research with more limited scope. These approaches prioritize precision over breadth, yielding lower numbers.

Edit:
I ran it by grok again, just focusing on the difference between CDC and EEA and it had this to say:

• Even if both entities use "strict" criteria compared to broader approaches (like the WHO's excess mortality estimates), the EEA and Nature studies seem to apply a less restrictive interpretation of "direct" heat-related deaths than the CDC. This methodological difference is likely the biggest driver of the reported disparity.

 

[EviLore]

Is that a desktop fan I see you using to stay alive? What's its efficiency rating? How many dB noise does it generate? What's the environmental impact of the plastic base? Do you have a loicence for that fan, miss?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

hey its not our fault we don't have a commie gov that is forcing levies, taxes, grid fees, etc. making it too expensive to run AC

 

[kevboard]

Grok thought about it and gave a lot of maybe and possiblys, but I think these two sections might give some insight:



Edit:
I ran it by grok again, just focusing on the difference between CDC and EEA and it had this to say:

I think I legit have to start blocking everyone using AI summaries...
chances are half of that is fully made up nonsense. these AIs can't even get very simple questions right, so I doubt this is even close to correct.

 

[Wildebeest]

EU kills elderly people with weather while the US kills them with obesity and medical debt.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I think I legit have to start blocking everyone using AI summaries...

ok

 

[Peggies]

Is that a desktop fan I see you using to stay alive? What's its efficiency rating? How many dB noise does it generate? What's the environmental impact of the plastic base? Do you have a loicence for that fan, miss?

I have my lady parasol to stay alive.

 

[kevboard]

ok

I mean, if you're ok with spreading possible misinformation, that's on you I guess...


here,
quick example, I made it answer a question where you need actual info beyond surface level forum posts.


I asked what the Mega Drive's blast processing was, and here's Grok's answer:

"Blast processing" was a marketing term coined by Sega to promote the Sega Mega Drive (known as the Genesis in North America) as a faster, more powerful console compared to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES). It wasn't a specific hardware feature or a distinct technical component but rather a catchy way to highlight the Mega Drive's raw processing speed, particularly its Motorola 68000 CPU running at 7.67 MHz


yeah, so, that's wrong. that's the shit you read on Reddit, or in old forums.

in reality, blast processing was a way to change the color palette on the fly for every pixel being drawn. this in theory would allow the Mega Drive to display more colors at the same time than it could normally do.

the term "blast processing" was chosen because drawing the pixels like that would mean the CPU "blasts" at all times, as it would actively need to switch colors per pixel drawn.

so, as you can see, these AI chat bots are retarded, and using them regularly also has been shown to make its users retarded. so for the sake of not spreading misinformation, and for the sake of your own brain... I suggest stop using them unless you actually click on the source links provided to get your info.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I mean, if you're ok with spreading possible misinformation, that's on you I guess...

It's not that deep bruv, someone used an LLM for a reply so I gave them an LLM response back, calm down.

 

[kevboard]

It's not that deep bruv, someone used an LLM for a reply so I gave them an LLM response back, calm down.

it's not about this example specifically, but I'm seeing more and more people on here and reddit etc. relying on chat bots to get information, and those chat bots simply can't give you accurate information beyond very surface level stuff. anything that needs even a tiny bit of digging will be filled with made up nonsense.

edit: lol, now it's telling me that Turrican 2 was published by Thalion, and Google's AI is telling me Thalion developed Turrican 2
insane how awful these chat bots are.

this error probably happens because one of the founders of Thalion was Holger Flöttmann, who also worked at Rainbow Arts before, which developed the C64 version of Turrican 2.


if you just ask these bots about stuff you know, and which isn't super mainstream knowledge (but is still all easily obtainable info online) they completely break

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

I didn't take into consideration how differently EU buildings are built. sounds like they can sort of become ovens.

Correct. Buildings in most of Europe were designed to keep the heat on, for obvious reasons. The continent is also not subject to hurricanes like the US, so buildings are made very differently.

Ha ha, just the meme I was thinking of when I first saw this thread!

 

[12Goblins]

itt Americans think that if Europeans were less healthy and more sedentary like them, they wouldn't be dying from living alone and staying active in old age

 

[StreetsofBeige]

All I know is I set my thermostat at a year round range of 19 - 22C. The system defaults at a 3C gap.

When it it gets above 22C, then AC turns on. If it drops below 19C, heat turns on. Sometimes I fidget with it +/- half a degree. But then sometimes I just set it at a static temp like right now which is 21.5C. Since it's been pretty humid hot for weeks here, AC is on a lot of the time. But utilities bills here dont budge a lot, so my monthly bill wont be much higher than usual.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Is that a desktop fan I see you using to stay alive? What's its efficiency rating? How many dB noise does it generate? What's the environmental impact of the plastic base? Do you have a loicence for that fan, miss?

Why does the tactical swat man smash a vase against a wall? Provide extra airflow for the AC?

 

[Miles708]

As with most stuff on Twitter (which is also grok's database), that's fake news.

 

[EviLore]

Grok thought about it and gave a lot of maybe and possiblys, but I think these two sections might give some insight:



Edit:
I ran it by grok again, just focusing on the difference between CDC and EEA and it had this to say:

I was asking you, not the LLM.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

To give some context, only about 41% of US gun deaths are violent with the rest being mainly suicide and then some accidents. The percentage of what type of weapon was used is classified confusingly but most of them seem to be handgun-related and not from rifles. I don't own a gun and I think they are scary to be perfectly honest. I do think they are cool and important and I also think the information I added here is dishonestly left out sometimes. Not by OP, I just mean a lot of people with opinions to express.

If you are scared of guns then the media have done their job. They have been mentally conditioning people to fear guns even though a gun is just another form of weapon

Are swords scary? They're just really long knives. Are axes scary? They are just really big hatchets

One thing that the pro-gunners have really lost the mind control wars on is making people not be afraid of guns and countering the mainstream media

There's probably a shooting range around your house somewhere. So go there and watch people shooting their guns. It's not really very scary, but it is loud so wear hearing protection. Demystifying the firearm is the first step towards understanding why gun ownership is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States

 

[Vyse]

A lot of people in Europe dont have AC? That's nuts.

Just about everyone I know has central AC/heating which is a home designed so hot/cool air circulates through the home using ductwork. Some people I know who live in old homes that were never renovated have those floor heating systems (those radiator things along the walls).

In Canada, it's really only hot for some parts of the year needing cooling. But it's standard for all homes to have heating/AC units. Zero people I know have no AC. Even someone who lives in a trailer park probably has AC.

Growing up in NY/Long Island as a kid in the 70's, only my parents had a small window AC in their bedroom. Summer heat waves sucked. We went to malls and the movies a lot.

 

[No BBC=Anger]

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Italian authorities are not that advanced. Drones? They can barely use a computer.

Jokes apart. I've done a brief Google search and apparently, there's news from August 2024 about this.
It's not that AC is banned. Rather, external units seem to be banned in some areas, because they can ruin the exterior image of houses and that's a no-no for such an important tourists site. Some articles also talk about "irregular" units, whatever that means.

 

[Venom Snake]

I have AC units in each of my properties and it has never been prohibited.

 

[Zathalus]

What an odd complaint. If you can't afford split AC, log onto your local retailers website, or Amazon, find a cheap portable aircon unit for €200 and add it to your cart. Like magic you will have a AC unit the very next day. If you spend a bit more (€400) you can get a 10k BTU unit.

 

[EviLore]

Spoiler: source data

Using household electricity prices and median equivilised disposable income stats, with USA as the 1.0 baseline, I created an energy affordability index that could be useful for seeing how much of a financial burden AC has on countries. Lower is better. Cost of energy needs to come down in Europe...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

For those of you without AC, do you at least have ceiling fans?

If you dont know how to do the wiring, just hire a guy to swap out your ceiling light for a ceiling fan with lights. If youve never used a ceiling fan, they always have different speed settings, on/off, and you can set it to counterclockwise or clockwise which affects air currents moving up or down.

 

[Ironbunny]

For those of you without AC, do you at least have ceiling fans?

If you dont know how to do the wiring, just hire a guy to swap out your ceiling light for a ceiling fan with lights. If youve never used a ceiling fan, they always have different speed settings, on/off, and you can set it to counterclockwise or clockwise which affects air currents moving up or down.

Never needed AC. Inside temperature stays around 22 c most of the time. There are peaks that go above that but our summer here is like 2 months long and outside that weather stays rather cool. Its summer now and outside temperature is 12 c (51 f ?), we are "dying".

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Never needed AC. Inside temperature stays around 22 c most of the time. There are peaks that go above that but our summer here is like 2 months long and outside that weather stays rather cool. Its summer now and outside temperature is 12 c (51 f ?), we are "dying".

Your area must have colder summers if it's only 12C. That's spring/fall temps here. Right now it's 26C. And it's not even lunch time yet.

Next few days it pops to 30-32C. Add in humidity factor and sites say it feels like 38C.

 

[Diddy X]

 

[The Cockatrice]

Cost of energy needs to come down in Europe...

It wont. Its getting worse... My electricity bills have doubled since last year and consumption is the same. A lot of my friends are moving to a hidroelectical provider, but....i dunno...Im assuming it relies heavily on our main river Danube which has reached the lowest debit it has evern been recorded. Only solution I see is if I move to a house and apply for the solar panel thingamajig.

 

[Ironbunny]

Your area must have colder summers if it's only 12C. That's spring/fall temps here. Right now it's 26C. And it's not even lunch time yet.

Next few days it pops to 30-32C. Add in humidity factor and sites say it feels like 38C.

Its not that normal to have this low temperatures here. We should be around the highest peaks of 25c to 32c. I am not complaining though as I dont really like the high heat especially if the humidity hits. If we would be getting temps like yours I would be installing AC like the mehricans.

 

[Ironbunny]

It wont. Its getting worse... My electricity bills have doubled since last year and consumption is the same. A lot of my friends are moving to a hidroelectical provider, but....i dunno...Im assuming it relies heavily on our main river Danube which has reached the lowest debit it has evern been recorded. Only solution I see is if I move to a house and apply for the solar panel thingamajig.

I wonder if they still are shutting down those Nuclear power plants in Germany.

 

[Miles708]

Aren't houses built different between US and EU, with houses in Europe generally being made of thciker and sturdier walls?
There's an effort to emphatize thermal coating techniques now, which make walls thicker and more thermally efficient. I've been is such houses and they stay really warm in the winter and cool in the summer, almost without having to resort to electric heating/cooling if not for really short bursts.
I wonder if that's the direction we should be headed towards.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

For those of you without AC, do you at least have ceiling fans?

If you dont know how to do the wiring, just hire a guy to swap out your ceiling light for a ceiling fan with lights. If youve never used a ceiling fan, they always have different speed settings, on/off, and you can set it to counterclockwise or clockwise which affects air currents moving up or down.

In the living room, where I spend most of my time (working from home under the fan right now). I brought my bike for spinning too because my home gym feels like a sauna this week, even at midnight. Two days ago I was working out at 1 AM with a portable fan and it was unbearable.

 

[YCoCg]

It wont. Its getting worse... My electricity bills have doubled since last year and consumption is the same. A lot of my friends are moving to a hidroelectical provider, but....i dunno...Im assuming it relies heavily on our main river Danube which has reached the lowest debit it has evern been recorded. Only solution I see is if I move to a house and apply for the solar panel thingamajig.

Dude, invest in Solar and get a battery, when it's good and sunny it's more than enough to run my place and have it charge the battery, don't bother feeding back into the grid the infrastructure hasn't been updated to properly handle it so it just wastes it.

 

[Bojji]

Aren't houses built different between US and EU, with houses in Europe generally being made of thciker and sturdier walls?
There's an effort to emphatize thermal coating techniques now, which make walls thicker and more thermally efficient. I've been is such houses and they stay really warm in the winter and cool in the summer, almost without having to resort to electric heating/cooling if not for really short bursts.
I wonder if that's the direction we should be headed towards.

My block was covered in styrofoam like 15 years ago, with good windows (changed around the same time) I rarely have to use heating in winter. In summer with all windows closed temperature is much lower than outside. Not too bad I think.

Using 45W fans (2x):

 

[12Goblins]

For those of you without AC, do you at least have ceiling fans?

If you dont know how to do the wiring, just hire a guy to swap out your ceiling light for a ceiling fan with lights. If youve never used a ceiling fan, they always have different speed settings, on/off, and you can set it to counterclockwise or clockwise which affects air currents moving up or down.

Nah, ceiling fans in homes are very rare in Europe. You will see them in restaurants and bars, but that's about it. Europeans are the type to find them very ugly and would rather die

 

[The Cockatrice]

Dude, invest in Solar and get a battery, when it's good and sunny it's more than enough to run my place and have it charge the battery, don't bother feeding back into the grid the infrastructure hasn't been updated to properly handle it so it just wastes it.

I would have to move to a house since I live in an apartment, but yeah, if I ever do considering the sun aint getting cooler at all, solar panels are the way to go.

 

[Miles708]

My block was covered in styrofoam like 15 years ago, with good windows (changed around the same time) I rarely have to use heating in winter. In summer with all windows closed temperature is much lower than outside. Not too bad I think.

Using 45W fans (2x):

Exactly, proper insulation can be much more effective in all seasons, you pay A LOT initially but then it's almost solved

 

[Haemi]

That cost is insane....is that WITH install?

You can get an air compressor ($1200) and an 18000 btu minisplit "wall cassette" AC unit ($1450) at home depot here in the states. That does not include install however.

Yes, it's with Installation. You are not allowed to install it yourself. But the heatpumps itself are very expensive here. Some even recommend importing them from other EU countries.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[AJUMP23]

You can tell by the hair not to listen to anything that loon says.

 

[Miles708]

The article talks essentially about the need of de-urbanization as a way to fight the need of ever increasing AC usage, which is not unreasonable.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

My block was covered in styrofoam like 15 years ago, with good windows (changed around the same time) I rarely have to use heating in winter. In summer with all windows closed temperature is much lower than outside. Not too bad I think.

Using 45W fans (2x):

Why buy expensive Aircon for your home when £20 fan does the trick and less noisy

 

[Unknown?]

it's not about this example specifically, but I'm seeing more and more people on here and reddit etc. relying on chat bots to get information, and those chat bots simply can't give you accurate information beyond very surface level stuff. anything that needs even a tiny bit of digging will be filled with made up nonsense.

edit: lol, now it's telling me that Turrican 2 was published by Thalion, and Google's AI is telling me Thalion developed Turrican 2
insane how awful these chat bots are.

this error probably happens because one of the founders of Thalion was Holger Flöttmann, who also worked at Rainbow Arts before, which developed the C64 version of Turrican 2.


if you just ask these bots about stuff you know, and which isn't super mainstream knowledge (but is still all easily obtainable info online) they completely break

They can't and they errod any form of critical thinking by those who rely on it.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Why buy expensive Aircon for your home when £20 fan does the trick and less noisy

Live in the Midwest in the US for a Summer without AC and report back

 

[Bojji]

Why buy expensive Aircon for your home when £20 fan does the trick and less noisy

It absolutely is enough for me. I think I use them for less than 2 months every year (and not every day)?

Live in the Midwest in the US for a Summer without AC and report back

Yeah, some places are way too hot not to use AC. Southern-mid USA is pretty much Sahara level geographically.

 

[Paasei]

We cant build in the Netherlands lol

That is why I moved to Norway.

 

[Connificent]

That is why I moved to Norway.

The best decision

 

[Paasei]

The best decision

It was. Quiet, less traffic so people aren't on edge 24/7 on the road, made plenty of friends from visiting them IRL when I met them online through gaming, actual availability in houses.
I'm here for 4 months (3 months left and 1 month extension) cause I'm really lucky with my CLA from my NL employer. Learning the language now I go and applying for work so I can stay forever.

Grass is always greener on the other side and there are definitely some downsides, but none of them weigh as much as the positives.

 

[salyonara]

Is there a difference between how the WHO and CDC is determining what a heat related death is and how they are counting?
I know Europeans don't believe in AC for some reason, but the difference in those numbers seems too drastic.

Sicilians (I'm Sicilian) believe in A.C every houses have them.