LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Blader5489 said:
He didn't travel back and forth.

Desmond getting fried by Widmore's EM generators was just a test to make sure that he could survive intense amounts of electromagnetism; he did, but it's still a near-death experience, which allowed him to see the flashsideways (like Juliet did, though she actually died).

In the sideways, when Desmond saw Charlie's hand press up against the glass, that began to awaken all the memories of his life.

There was no traveling back and forth. Both sides just became aware of the other side.
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You guys are missing the point... I completely get that, but why would they as people exist there, until they are dead? Is that just a reality for their souls, and when they die they move on from there? Seems a bit farfetched to me.

Also I know people love open ended things to discuss, and I get that, but it also can be used as a device to wrap things up without disappointing people by not living up to hype. The problem with this, is that you can insert anything between Point A and Point B and say that it was always planned that way. There's no way it was meant to end this way, maybe in a basic outline, but I just don't see with all the things they started, that it was supposed to go this direction. There are too many plotholes.

- 1 why was Walt special? What were his "powers" and why even introduce them in the first place? If it's "open ended" or it "doesn't matter" then why waste our time? It was useless, they started the arc of both him and Michael, but failed to finish his.

- 2 involving Walt again, how was he showing up on the island? He would show up soaking wet, everybody knows that, he also shows up to John (taller walt) look I get he was getting older, but this aspect of the show is littered with plot holes.

- 3 what the hell was the cabin? And why was Jacob asking for John's help? This is absolutely irrelevant to the show.

- 4 why were the others stealing children? Once again, jump on me if you want for asking too much explanation and telling me it's "irellevant" but they started a huge sideplot about kidnapping children (Aaron, Walt, the two kids in the beginning) and claiming they were giving them "the better life"

That's just a few to start.
 
The producers told Eko to fuck off after he demanded 5 times what they were offering to get him to appear in the finale
 
msdstc said:
You guys are missing the point... I completely get that, but why would they as people exist there, until they are dead? Is that just a reality for their souls, and when they die they move on from there? Seems a bit farfetched to me.

Also I know people love open ended things to discuss, and I get that, but it also can be used as a device to wrap things up without disappointing people by not living up to hype. The problem with this, is that you can insert anything between Point A and Point B and say that it was always planned that way. There's no way it was meant to end this way, maybe in a basic outline, but I just don't see with all the things they started, that it was supposed to go this direction. There are too many plotholes.

- 1 why was Walt special? What were his "powers" and why even introduce them in the first place? If it's "open ended" or it "doesn't matter" then why waste our time? It was useless, they started the arc of both him and Michael, but failed to finish his.

- 2 involving Walt again, how was he showing up on the island? He would show up soaking wet, everybody knows that, he also shows up to John (taller walt) look I get he was getting older, but this aspect of the show is littered with plot holes.

- 3 what the hell was the cabin? And why was Jacob asking for John's help? This is absolutely irrelevant to the show.

- 4 why were the others stealing children? Once again, jump on me if you want for asking too much explanation and telling me it's "irellevant" but they started a huge sideplot about kidnapping children (Aaron, Walt, the two kids in the beginning) and claiming they were giving them "the better life"

That's just a few to start.
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Walt was special in the way other children in the show have been. MIB, Hurley, Miles, Locke was being tested for it. The why isn't something that can be answered, some people just are born 'special' in some way. Miles could hear the last thoughts of the dead (or, something I've been considering more, see into their version of LA X, whatever that may be), Hurley could speak to people that were dead and hadn't yet moved on.

The cabin likely had nothing to do with Jacob, and was in fact MIB the whole time. Christian and Claire being there support this most, along with MIB asking for Locke's help setting in motion the events which would lead to Locke's death.
 
This amalgamation of pieces from the finale (or did they actually all play out together like this in the finale? I can't remember) is gorgeous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nfloYaf9YQ


Also, where is the highest res version of this pic? This is awesome:

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Its weird that a church was their meeting place. I mean, it makes sense with respect to Christian, but in terms of LOST's overall thrust, somewheres like the Dharma Lampost would have made more sense.
 
Solo said:
Its weird that a church was their meeting place. I mean, it makes sense with respect to Christian, but in terms of LOST's overall thrust, somewheres like the Dharma Lampost would have made more sense.
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Agreed. That definitely weighed heavily on why those final ten minutes bothered me in what was otherwise a beautiful finale.
 
Solo said:
Its weird that a church was their meeting place. I mean, it makes sense with respect to Christian, but in terms of LOST's overall thrust, somewheres like the Dharma Lampost would have made more sense.
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I think it was the same church that the Lampost was in, no?
 
So did the MIB need to destroy the island to leave, or did he just do it of spite? If he needed to destroy the island, what exactly did he plan on doing if there was no Desmond? If he didn't need to, why was it such a bad thing for him to leave? Did they think he was just going to kill everyone?
 
In the end I felt that the flash sideways enabled us to not only explore one of the core themes of the show (science/faith), but to answer one of the core questions of the series (what is so special about the island).

The light that engulfs them all at the end of the episode is a part of the same light they fought for 6 long seasons to protect. It enabled them to continue their existence and visa versa. THAT is what the light is and because of that final episode we were able to experience it with them.

To try and explain any further than that would corrupt it. We are never told what would happen if the light were to cease or if the black smoke were to escape or what happened after Christian opened the church doors, I like to think that it is up to us to make that leap of faith alone and decide ourselves what effect those things could have had on the outcome of the story.

I used to believe that the show was all about finding all the answers, but now I realise that it was far more to me than that. I would love to know how Jacob's mother gained her powers or why the island can move through time, or what the rules were - but if I knew everything the island just wouldn't feel as magical as it still does even now.

That magic came through the characters on the island, their struggles, friendships, rivalries and experiences. That I was able to watch them not only make their countless sacrifices for the island AND to see that they all had a final chance to reconcile and accept their fates was, for me, far more gratifying and human than someone telling me that the light in the island was made from dinosaurs in 35ad and that the donkey wheel was erected in 40 days by Egyptian slaves.
 
But guys, it doesn't make sense:
HOW is purgatory!?
For is purgatory?
No answers I swear.

Why we still got polar bears?
Why we still got numbers?
Why we still got no babies?
Why that old lady got so much info from a wierd dude's diary?

I can't BELIVE the whole show is a loop. wata waste of my life.

*kills self*
 
bachikarn said:
So did the MIB need to destroy the island to leave, or did he just do it of spite? If he needed to destroy the island, what exactly did he plan on doing if there was no Desmond? If he didn't need to, why was it such a bad thing for him to leave? Did they think he was just going to kill everyone?
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He was going to have Ben kill Jack, Sawyer, and Hurley, before he found out Jack became the new guardian.
 
Staccat0 said:
But guys, it doesn't make sense:
HOW is purgatory!?
For is purgatory?
No answers I swear.

Why we still got polar bears?
Why we still got numbers?
Why we still got no babies?
Why that old lady got so much info from a wierd dude's diary?

I can't BELIVE the whole show is a loop. wata waste of my life.

*kills self*
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How does magnets work?
 
Quick question, when they pulled the cork and made Smokie mortal, what damage could he do after leaving? Was he gonna stab everyone in the world one person at a time?

Solo said:
How does magnets work?
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I know right? LOST was lyin' and its getting me PISSED!
 
Archaix said:
Walt was special in the way other children in the show have been. MIB, Hurley, Miles, Locke was being tested for it. The why isn't something that can be answered, some people just are born 'special' in some way. Miles could hear the last thoughts of the dead (or, something I've been considering more, see into their version of LA X, whatever that may be), Hurley could speak to people that were dead and hadn't yet moved on.

The cabin likely had nothing to do with Jacob, and was in fact MIB the whole time. Christian and Claire being there support this most, along with MIB asking for Locke's help setting in motion the events which would lead to Locke's death.
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I have trouble believing that. I never asked for a miles explanation or even Hurley, because I get it's something you have to accept in the realm of Lost. But Walt traveling between the two is broken, and starting something like that with the last shot of him being in the real world at school real quick, is just a watse. It was a waste of time and useless. It was something they planned to start, but decided against it.
 
Nameless said:
I feel you bro. Noting I've watched on the big or little screen has evoked such emotion from me. I'm still blown away 30 minutes later. Part of me can't wait to watch it again, the other part thinks it might be an overload.
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Agreed. I have to watch it again.

I think it's possible that Lost is the best show, due in part to the ending, of this generation.
 
gdt5016 said:
Yep. It was.
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If it was, then they definitely should have ended in the station. That way you remove the religious element that is turning some off. You can show faith without having to show churches and other religious staples.
 
Before we want every little thing to be explained in the finale, I think we need to understand how the tv programming works. The writings of the story is not in one go, but spans in a timeframe of 6-7 years, so it is natural to create some tails in the story and trying wrap it back up in the next season. Some of the smaller details like the polar bear were probably created with other ideas in mind to be wrapped up later season/episode, but bump into other more important stuffs that is difficult to tie back to without making the story off-tangent. If that is the case, I rather have them not talk about it. One example that felt forced was the skeletons in the cave.

Maybe they could explain it in the DVD/BluRay to be released later in a epilogue so they don't have to explain every detail and muddle the story with off-topic stuffs.
 
Satanmonkey said:
In the end I felt that the flash sideways enabled us to not only explore one of the core themes of the show (science/faith), but to answer one of the core questions of the series (what is so special about the island).

The light that engulfs them all at the end of the episode is a part of the same light they fought for 6 long seasons to protect. It enabled them to continue their existence and visa versa. THAT is what the light is and because of that final episode we were able to experience it with them.

To try and explain any further than that would corrupt it. We are never told what would happen if the light were to cease or if the black smoke were to escape or what happened after Christian opened the church doors, I like to think that it is up to us to make that leap of faith alone and decide ourselves what effect those things could have had on the outcome of the story.

I used to believe that the show was all about finding all the answers, but now I realise that it was far more to me than that. I would love to know how Jacob's mother gained her powers or why the island can move through time, or what the rules were - but if I knew everything the island just wouldn't feel as magical as it still does even now.

That magic came through the characters on the island, their struggles, friendships, rivalries and experiences. That I was able to watch them not only make their countless sacrifices for the island AND to see that they all had a final chance to reconcile and accept their fates was, for me, far more gratifying and human than someone telling me that the light in the island was made from dinosaurs in 35ad and that the donkey wheel was erected in 40 days by Egyptian slaves.
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Rewatching, and yeah, the light at the end was definitely a yellow-ish light similar to that of the cave. Didn't pick up on that on the first watch.
 
bachikarn said:
So did the MIB need to destroy the island to leave, or did he just do it of spite? If he needed to destroy the island, what exactly did he plan on doing if there was no Desmond? If he didn't need to, why was it such a bad thing for him to leave? Did they think he was just going to kill everyone?
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I rewatched AtS recently, and when MIB gets tossed in the cave, the light goes out/dims. Now, when we see the cave in The End, it's significantly dimmer than in AtS. Basically, Smokey contains a large part of that Light now (death, rebirth tie in nicely with it's impersonation/memory abilities) and could not be allowed to leave the Island.
 
Staccat0 said:
Quick question, when they pulled the cork and made Smokie mortal, what damage could he do after leaving? Was he gonna stab everyone in the world one person at a time?
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By that point, he simply had to die for what he had done to the characters.
 
Solo said:
If it was, then they definitely should have ended in the station. That way you remove the religious element that is turning some off. You can show faith without having to show churches and other religious staples.
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Would have been a cooler scene in an airport.
 
Staccat0 said:
Quick question, when they pulled the cork and made Smokie mortal, what damage could he do after leaving? Was he gonna stab everyone in the world one person at a time?


I know right? LOST was lyin' and its getting me PISSED!
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Having the cork stay pulled would mean the end of the world. The death of everyone. They only killed him because they had the chance, wanted vengeance, and needed to prevent him from touching the light in the future.
 
Staccat0 said:
Would have been a cooler scene in an airport.
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That too would have been fitting. Or a beach resort (evokative of Dharmaville) or a park somewheres (evokative of the jungle).
 
Solo said:
If it was, then they definitely should have ended in the station. That way you remove the religious element that is turning some off. You can show faith without having to show churches and other religious staples.
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Eh, I totally love the entire thing taking place in a church. It just wouldn't have the power or icon...ity at the Lamp Post.
 
Staccat0 said:
Quick question, when they pulled the cork and made Smokie mortal, what damage could he do after leaving? Was he gonna stab everyone in the world one person at a time?
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He was no more of a threat.

But after all the shit MIB has done, no way would Jack just let him leave and get off scot free.
 
What confuses me about the flash sideways is, I mean I realize that it's a dimension where their spirits are roaming after they've died, but when they died, why did they forget each other? I'm trying to wrap my head around why Desmond had to bring them all together for them to remember. I know they're stuck there in that limbo until they do remember, I just don't know why they forgot.
 
Dead said:
By that point, he simply had to die for what he had done to the characters.
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Plus the island was going to blow up. Why would Smokey have the right to live while the Losties died?
 
3 questions,

my bro wants answers to everything haha so im trying to come up with some answers. I loved the finale and dont really care about anything else related to Lost and any answers we get in the future will just be icing on the cake.

1) Why was Aaron in the church?

2) If Eko was going to be in the finale but wanted money, what scene do you think he would have been in? The very last scene in the church or somewhere else?

3) Why did kid Jacob appear to the MIB and that Desmond and Sawyer could see kid jacob as well?
 
Dead said:
By that point, he simply had to die for what he had done to the characters.
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This, and Jack didn't really know the extent of MiB's mortality. He could have regained his smokey powers at any second, so he had to be killed to eliminate any potential threat.
 
Kodiak said:
so... what's gonna fill the void GAF?
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In this order:

- Now that Fringe Season 2 has wrapped watching the last 7 episodes
- Cowboy Bebop
- Thanks to Alan Wake/Bright Falls I'll likely try Twin Peaks
- Try to get the wife to get caught up on Dexter in time for next season
- She wants to watch BSG but only if we get the Blu Ray box set.
 
brandonh83 said:
What confuses me about the flash sideways is, I mean I realize that it's a dimension where their spirits are roaming after they've died, but when they died, why did they forget each other? I'm trying to wrap my head around why Desmond had to bring them all together for them to remember. I know they're stuck there in that limbo until they do remember, I just don't know why they forgot.
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That's just the nature of limbo (depending on what beliefs you subscribe to).
 
brandonh83 said:
What confuses me about the flash sideways is, I mean I realize that it's a dimension where their spirits are roaming after they've died, but when they died, why did they forget each other? I'm trying to wrap my head around why Desmond had to bring them all together for them to remember. I know they're stuck there in that limbo until they do remember, I just don't know why they forgot.
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Well, here we're going into a bunch of different faiths and beliefs.
 
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