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[Blader]

So, what triggered Richard's mortality? Presumably it was Jacob's death and/or the election of a new Jacob.

I think it was the latter. Even though Jacob was dead, his successor hadn't been chosen yet, so all of Jacob's rules remained in place. Once Jack is elected, the slate gets wiped clean.

 

[cyclonekruse]

Eh, I totally love the entire thing taking place in a church. It just wouldn't have the power or icon...ity at the Lamp Post.

I disagree. The "Lamp Post" is a reference to the lamp post on the edge of Narnia. It was essentially the border between our world and Narnia. And that's basically what the whole flash sideways was. A stop between our world and the next. It would have been perfect iconography.

That said, a church evokes some similar themes much more quickly for the vast majority of the audience than a not-so-obvious reference to C. S. Lewis.

 

[brandonh83]

Well, here we're going into a bunch of different faiths and beliefs.

Well I'm just talking about within the context of the show. I realize that different faiths and religions have different outlooks on this, but I'm just trying to figure out if I missed something, some detail that explains why their spirits did not realize one another.

 

[Dead]

What confuses me about the flash sideways is, I mean I realize that it's a dimension where their spirits are roaming after they've died, but when they died, why did they forget each other? I'm trying to wrap my head around why Desmond had to bring them all together for them to remember. I know they're stuck there in that limbo until they do remember, I just don't know why they forgot.

My feelings about it are the characters were made to forget their life on the Island due to how much tragedy it wrought, but in the end, denying the Island also denied all of the moments they spent together. As Christian said, it was the most important time of their life.

To move on, they had to reconcile the importance of their shared experience.

 

[lo escondido]

Just a thought on aaron being a baby in a church

They were all together because they meant so much to each other. Aaron only would have ever know Clair, Kate and the others that got off the island. So him letting go would not have involved any of the losties.

(this has probably already been brought up)

 

[gdt]

That said, a church evokes some similar themes much more quickly for the vast majority of the audience than a not-so-obvious reference to C. S. Lewis.

Exactly. I had no idea about anything that you just said, and I own the entire Narnia series!

(haven't read it yet though lol)

 

[Solo]

Well I'm just talking about within the context of the show. I realize that different faiths and religions have different outlooks on this, but I'm just trying to figure out if I missed something, some detail that explains why their spirits did not realize one another.

Electromagnetism, man! Seriously though, I dont think there was a specific reason other than the obvious dramatic ones.

 

[Infinity]

So, what triggered Richard's mortality? Presumably it was Jacob's death and/or the election of a new Jacob.

In my opinion, Jacob's final passing removed the gift of immortality from Richard; however, it is also possible that Desmond "uncorking" the island removed the gift. I suppose either theory is plausible.

 

[wenis]

So, in the end they crash yet another plane??? retards....

:lol

 

[cnizzle06]

In my opinion, Jacob's final passing removed the gift of immortality from Richard; however, it is also possible that Desmond "uncorking" the island removed the gift. I suppose either theory is plausible.

Some people have more 'inner-light' than others (i.e. closer to god?) so when the light was temporarily removed, those gifted individuals (Walt, Hurley, Richard) lost their divine qualities in my opinion.

 

[mackaveli]

In my opinion, Jacob's final passing removed the gift of immortality from Richard; however, it is also possible that Desmond "uncorking" the island removed the gift. I suppose either theory is plausible.

i was going to say it was the "Uncorking" but that took place after Richard got his first gray hair so that couldn't be the reason.

Also,

Bro wants to know why Boone and Shannon were in the Church? Even Bernard and Rose?

good luck answering these.

 

[brandonh83]

My feelings about it are the characters were made to forget their life on the Island due to how much tragedy it wrought, but in the end, denying the Island also denied all of the moments they spent together. As Christian said, it was the most important time of their life.

To move on, they had to reconcile the importance of their shared experience.

Pretty good theory. I'm not settling on anything though for a while, it's something I want to keep being able to think about.

Also guys, for what it's worth and to expand on my thoughts about how the church symbolized the church Eko was building... I have to say, it's in my mind that when Jack left the small room with the coffin, when he opened the doors, he was back on the beach with everyone. It was just glorified/masked by the spiritual reality they were in. It's sort of like in Bioshock 2

Spoiler

how the Little Sisters see Rapture as this beautiful place when it's actually a shit hole

, IMO.

But yes, I strongly believe that they were all in the "afterlife" version of Eko's church, back on the island and no one can convince me otherwise because that is my absolute perfect end.

 

[Imperial Hot]

I've finally wrapped my head around the ending, and overall I really like it a lot.

However, I just don't understand where jughead fits in with all of this? So what exactly were the consequences of the nuclear bomb going off? Was it just a red herring to get viewers to think the alt universe was real? Did the nuke just bring the losties back to their proper timelines?

 

[gumshoe]

Best show ever, seriously!! I have never watched a show that successfully explores so many topics( Life, death, fate, faith, humanity, friendship, scifi, diversity, etc....) like LOST does.

 

[Korey]

So, in the end they crash yet another plane??? retards....

.

 

[Linkhero1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKv0CvI5XiY so good =)

 

[Solo]

Did the nuke just bring the losties back to their proper timelines?

Yes

 

[gdt]

I've finally wrapped my head around the ending, and overall I really like it a lot.

However, I just don't understand where jughead fits in with all of this? So what exactly were the consequences of the nuclear bomb going off? Was it just a red herring to get viewers to think the alt universe was real? Did the nuke just bring the losties back to their proper timelines?

A) At the very least Jughead launched the Candidates/Losties THROUGH FUCKING TIME.

B) It's ambiguous as to whether or not Jughead, and by extension the Losties themselves, created LA X. IMO.

 

[Diablos54]

I've finally wrapped my head around the ending, and overall I really like it a lot.

However, I just don't understand where jughead fits in with all of this? So what exactly were the consequences of the nuclear bomb going off? Was it just a red herring to get viewers to think the alt universe was real? Did the nuke just bring the losties back to their proper timelines?

That's what I think, but I might be wrong.

 

[VistraNorrez]

What confuses me about the flash sideways is, I mean I realize that it's a dimension where their spirits are roaming after they've died, but when they died, why did they forget each other? I'm trying to wrap my head around why Desmond had to bring them all together for them to remember. I know they're stuck there in that limbo until they do remember, I just don't know why they forgot.

I've expressed my view on this a bit in this thread, but here it is again, maybe it'll work for you.

They aren't in a purgatory, it's the next level of their existence. It's the Buddhist rebirth idea. They don't remember because they have a different life here. It's there same soul, but it has to still develop.

Wikipedia on Buddhist Rebirth

Within one life and across multiple lives, the empirical, changing self not only objectively affects its surrounding external world, but also generates (consciously and unconsciously) its own subjective image of this world, which it then lives in as 'reality'. It lives in a world of its own making in various ways. It "tunes in" to a particular level of consciousness (by meditation or the rebirth it attains through its karma) which has a particular range of objects - a world - available to it. It furthermore selectively notices from among such objects, and then processes what has been sensed to form a distorted interpretive model of reality: a model in which the 'I am' conceit is a crucial reference point. When nibbana is experienced, though, all such models are transcended: the world stops 'in this fathom-long carcase'.

The early Buddhist texts make it clear that there is no permanent consciousness that moves from life to life. The lack of a fixed self does not mean lack of continuity. In the same way that a flame is transferred from one candle to another,there is a conditioned relationship between one life and the next: they are neither identical nor completely distinct.

Fits pretty damn well. Not perfectly, but a good modification.

 

[Solo]

Godammnit, Im going to be sporting some manner of Philadelphia Flyers avatar for the next few weeks.

Fucking avatar bets, man

 

[Imperial Hot]

Yes

Makes sense considering some of the changes in the alt universe predate Jughead....like Daniel, and Charlotte being alive.

 

[Vanille]

Bro wants to know why Boone and Shannon were in the Church? Even Bernard and Rose?

good luck answering these.

What exactly is there to answer? Their time on the island was obviously the most important part of their lives, and they were ready to move on.

 

[Aesius]

I want to rewatch this episode so bad, but at the same time I know I need to save it. Anyone else feel the same way?

 

[Diablos54]

Godammnit, Im going to be sporting some manner of Philadelphia Flyers avatar for the next few weeks.

Fucking avatar bets, man

It'll be really weird seeing you without a Locke avatar beneath.

 

[thekad]

Godammnit, Im going to be sporting some manner of Philadelphia Flyers avatar for the next few weeks.

Fucking avatar bets, man

he got what he thought he wanted, but lost that which was most important

 

[Nameless]

I've finally wrapped my head around the ending, and overall I really like it a lot.

However, I just don't understand where jughead fits in with all of this? So what exactly were the consequences of the nuclear bomb going off? Was it just a red herring to get viewers to think the alt universe was real? Did the nuke just bring the losties back to their proper timelines?

It would be counter productive to implement such a red herring only turn around and claim that the flashsideways weren't an alternate reality. Darlton denied that we were seeing an AR pretty much since the second LA X ended.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

The one bit that really got to me was when Vincent came and laid down next to Jack just so he wouldn't be alone when he died.

It's sad that the ones who left the island went on to live long lives whilst still harbouring a deep sense of loss for the ones they left behind (Kate's "I missed you so much"). On the other hand they got to see each other again so the finale as a whole is very bittersweet.

 

[Solo]

I want to rewatch this episode so bad, but at the same time I know I need to save it. Anyone else feel the same way?

I wont be watching it again until August on BD. Ive selectively rewatched certain scenes on YouTube, but not a full ep viewing until the BD.

 

[brandonh83]

They aren't in a purgatory, it's the next level of their existence. It's the Buddhist rebirth idea. They don't remember because they have a different life here. It's there same soul, but it has to still develop.

Yeah, okay. I'm down with this. It being purgatory/limbo didn't really seem to work out for me, but explaining the flash-sideways in that way makes much more sense. God I cannot wait for some more commentary from the writers, despite that probably not happening for a while.

 

[Infinity]

I want to rewatch this episode so bad, but at the same time I know I need to save it. Anyone else feel the same way?

I DVR'd the pre-finale show along with the finale and have no plans to delete them any time soon. Last night I only had time to watch the finale, but I'd like to set up a good 4 1/2 hours and watch them back-to-back.

After last night, nearly 24 hours later, I'm feeling the pull to watch it again real soon.

I must let go of LOST.

 

[sevenchaos]

Ignoring work duties desperately trying to catch up on this thread. Wish I was home so I could join in on the conversation.

 

[Stabby McSter]

All the people tripping out about the credits totally go over my head. I thought they showed the plane crash at the end as a "HEY LOOK AT OUR PRODUCTION SETS AND WHATEVER". D:

 

[Blader]

Godammnit, Im going to be sporting some manner of Philadelphia Flyers avatar for the next few weeks.

Fucking avatar bets, man

Gross.

 

[Chris R]

They aren't in a purgatory, it's the next level of their existence. It's the Buddhist rebirth idea. They don't remember because they have a different life here. It's there same soul, but it has to still develop.

Or to put it in terms the writers might have been thinking of, the Losties have moved up to a higher floor on the Tower I'm really glad they didn't try to rip TDT off 100% with the ending, because DAMN what a shitstorm there would have been :lol

 

[oatmeal]

People in this thread were saying 24 couldn't end on a worse night...

I disagree.

The simplicity and 'ease of ending' that show is actually going to make everyone go "Did you see 24? That's how you end a series! Not like that shitty LOST"

It will be some popcorn fun wiht an explosive finale, and the masses will eat it up. But over time, people will start to shift over.

That's just what I predict...I know more people that hated the episode than liked it (LOST).

 

[brandonh83]

I want to rewatch this episode so bad, but at the same time I know I need to save it. Anyone else feel the same way?

I do, but I'll be watching it again tonight with my gf, I wanted to watch it alone for the first time so that, in the case it's really emotional, that I can you know, transform into an epic pussy and cry pathetically.

And bitches, that is exactly what I did.

 

[Blader]

Yeah, okay. I'm down with this. It being purgatory/limbo didn't really seem to work out for me, but explaining the flash-sideways in that way makes much more sense. God I cannot wait for some more commentary from the writers, despite that probably not happening for a while.

I don't think it really matters how you choose to characterize the flashsideways. The only really important part is that it's the step between their lives and whatever comes next. The rest, imo, is up to interpretation.

 

[cnizzle06]

I liked the episode overall but this is the point where I throw in a few questions/criticism.

So why did they take sedatives to go to and from the island?

What happened to addressing Henry Gale which they mentioned they would at the last Comic-Con?

Why did they have to take a certain compass bearing in order to leave?

Er, pallet drops?

Why did the electromagnetism not screw up the instrumentation when they took off?

Why did Daniel Faraday say that the light scattered improperly on the island?

I thought they said the volcano was going to play a part?

Why did Carlton say we would see Walt?

WHY WE STILL GOT POLAR BEARS?

Oh, what's that? It's all about the characters all of a sudden? Okay, never mind.

 

[cyclonekruse]

I've expressed my view on this a bit in this thread, but here it is again, maybe it'll work for you.

They aren't in a purgatory, it's the next level of their existence. It's the Buddhist rebirth idea. They don't remember because they have a different life here. It's there same soul, but it has to still develop.

Wikipedia on Buddhist Rebirth

Within one life and across multiple lives, the empirical, changing self not only objectively affects its surrounding external world, but also generates (consciously and unconsciously) its own subjective image of this world, which it then lives in as 'reality'. It lives in a world of its own making in various ways. It "tunes in" to a particular level of consciousness (by meditation or the rebirth it attains through its karma) which has a particular range of objects - a world - available to it. It furthermore selectively notices from among such objects, and then processes what has been sensed to form a distorted interpretive model of reality: a model in which the 'I am' conceit is a crucial reference point. When nibbana is experienced, though, all such models are transcended: the world stops 'in this fathom-long carcase'.

The early Buddhist texts make it clear that there is no permanent consciousness that moves from life to life. The lack of a fixed self does not mean lack of continuity. In the same way that a flame is transferred from one candle to another,there is a conditioned relationship between one life and the next: they are neither identical nor completely distinct.

Fits pretty damn well. Not perfectly, but a good modification.

So what you're saying is that the Losties made their own reality or--dare I say it--their own kind of music?

 

[PSGames]

Well yeah, isn't that how you should rate a season of a TV show? :lol



In terms of all shows in general? Plenty of good stuff out right now like Breaking Bad.

In terms of fantasy/genre/whatever shows? Supernatural comes close. Seasons 4 and 5 surpass it, often. (Okay, it doesn't surpass season 1 of Lost.)

So Breaking Bad and Supernatural really are up there with LOST? Can anyone else chime in?

 

[brandonh83]

I don't think it really matters how you choose to characterize the flashsideways. The only really important part is that it's the step between their lives and whatever comes next. The rest, imo, is up to interpretation.

Sure. I just needed to think about it until I was able to rest on something that works on both a logical and emotional level and what he posted is the best reasoning I've heard thus far. I'm willing to give other venues a chance. Always.

 

[thekad]

"If you unplug, then plug it back in again, the candy drops right down. And it's technically legal." Sawyer unplugs the machine and the light goes out

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[Solo]

So what you're saying is that the Losties made their own reality or--dare I say it--their own kind of music?

I see what you did there. And I like it.

SING YOUR OWN SPECIAL SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

 

[forknknife]

Anyway, good ending episode, it was an ending already predicted by many but it's the only thing that could make some kind of sense. I still think the series could've been more sincere and straight to the point, specially in the middle seasons, as I feel they condensed waaaaaaaaaaay too much in this last one.

 

[neoism]

wallpaper i made

 

[Blader]

I thought they said the volcano was going to play a part?

Did you not see what happened after Desmond pulled the cork out? =P

 

[Dead]

I liked the episode overall but this is the point where I throw in a few questions/criticism.

So why did they take sedatives to go to and from the island?

What happened to addressing Henry Gale which they mentioned they would at the last Comic-Con?

Why did they have to take a certain compass bearing in order to leave?

Er, pallet drops?

Why did the electromagnetism not screw up the instrumentation when they took off?

Why did Daniel Faraday say that the light scattered improperly on the island?

I thought they said the volcano was going to play a part?

Why did Carlton say we would see Walt?

WHY WE STILL GOT POLAR BEARS?

Oh, what's that? It's all about the characters all of a sudden? Okay, never mind.

- It was for the ride on the Submarine. That is totally self explanatory

- There is nothing to address about Henry Gale. Hes just a dude who accidentally landed and died on the Island.

- Due to the temporal and spatial properties separating the Island from the outside world. That bearing was the safest one to traverse between the two.

- This is something so minor, it doesnt matter at all. But either way it will most likely be answered on the Season 6 DVD.

- Not sure what thats referring to. Dont remember it.

- There was clearly lava under the chamber at the heart of the Island.

- Walt will be on the Season 6 DVD. He shot scenes for a feature about giving more answers.

- Polar bears were from Dharma experiments

 

[brandonh83]

it was an ending already predicted by many

:lol what

I mean, certainly some... relatively close guesses, but even those were way off how it really happened. Like, people who guessed that the island was purgatory? Never was, but there is arguably a purgatory element going on.

 

[gdt]

So Breaking Bad and Supernatural really are up there with LOST? Can anyone else chime in?

Breaking Bad is easily on the same level, Supernatural is not IMO.

SN is incredibly fun though, and can do heavy stuff pretty well.