LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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thekad said:
"If you unplug, then plug it back in again, the candy drops right down. And it's technically legal." Sawyer unplugs the machine and the light goes out

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


hahaha yeah, i was imagining all the people on life support of the hospital dying after that and I literally loled
 
cnizzle06 said:
I liked the episode overall but this is the point where I throw in a few questions/criticism.

So why did they take sedatives to go to and from the island?

What happened to addressing Henry Gale which they mentioned they would at the last Comic-Con?

Why did they have to take a certain compass bearing in order to leave?

Er, pallet drops?

Why did the electromagnetism not screw up the instrumentation when they took off?

Why did Daniel Faraday say that the light scattered improperly on the island?

I thought they said the volcano was going to play a part?

Why did Carlton say we would see Walt?

WHY WE STILL GOT POLAR BEARS?

Oh, what's that? It's all about the characters all of a sudden? Okay, never mind.

every question I answer will just lead to another question
 
I belief in a lot of the Buddhist ideas on reality so I can definitely go with that. It's also mentioned that the Buddha received memories of his past lives shortly before attaining enlightenment.
 
Blader5489 said:
I don't think it really matters how you choose to characterize the flashsideways. The only really important part is that it's the step between their lives and whatever comes next. The rest, imo, is up to interpretation.

Very good point. That's the gist of what we are supposed to get. The why of it is completely up to each of us and I'm quite thankful for that. It's just the perfect balance of explanation and interpretation.
 
bytesized said:
hahaha yeah, i was imagining all the people on life support of the hospital dying after that and I literally loled

I was referring to how she perfectly described the on-island events with a vending machine.

Desmond unplugged it, Jack plugged it back in, and then the water dropped down. When Desmond unplugged it, the light went out.
 
If I could make a change about this season, it would have been telling Across the Sea's story from the point of view of one of our characters.

Treating it sort of as a legend, a campfire story. Give Jacob's brother a name, but not the MIB, because they are two different things and having an evil without a name is very cool. A normal brother for 40 years is not.

I'm super excited to watch through the whole season, though. This season in particular felt so fragmented from the weekly watching. Not much time passed on this and I want to see it all one after the other.

It will be interesting for sure.
 
How is Fringe compared to LOST. I need something new here and am looking for a show with the same feel to it. Someone said Breaking bad so maybe I'll give that a try.
 
I thought the worst realization scene was Sayid and Shannon. Maggie Grace was given one line and the acting wasn't anything worth writing home about. Thought they could have been into it just a bit more. Still good stuff and I was happy to see some resolution to that but I just felt that many of the realization scenes were so much better. When the scene first started I was like o fuck here's the tears but I remained perfectly calm during it.

Best part of it was Boone taking a beating just for it :lol
 
brandonh83 said:
:lol what

I mean, certainly some... relatively close guesses, but even those were way off how it really happened. Like, people who guessed that the island was purgatory? Never was, but there is arguably a purgatory element going on.


Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Of course it's impossible to predict everything, but this ending was nothing like "OMG they're DEAD?????" sixth sense kind of ending, we were all prepared for something like this and it's what we got in The End. ;)
 
Dead said:
- It was for the ride on the Submarine. That is totally self explanatory

- There is nothing to address about Henry Gale. Hes just a dude who accidentally landed and died on the Island.

- Due to the temporal and spatial properties separating the Island from the outside world. That bearing was the safest one to traverse between the two.

- This is something so minor, it doesnt matter at all. But either way it will most likely be answered on the Season 6 DVD.

- Not sure what thats referring to. Dont remember it.

- There was clearly lava under the chamber at the heart of the Island.

- Walt will be on the Season 6 DVD. He shot scenes for a feature about giving more answers.

- Polar bears were from Dharma experiments

Definitely, we all know you have to be sedated in order to go for a submarine ride. :lol

You may say there's nothing to address, but when the producers say they will, I half expect them to.

You don't remember Faradays comment or the fact that electromagnetism has fucked up their instruments in the past?

Polar bear remark was a joke.
 
Fisticuffs said:
How is Fringe compared to LOST. I need something new here and am looking for a show with the same feel to it. Someone said Breaking bad so maybe I'll give that a try.

Fringe is fucking awesome. But more freak of the week type stuff. the mythology is really cool, and it has opened up a lot of doors this past season that are very fun.

It's no LOST, but what is?
 
Fisticuffs said:
How is Fringe compared to LOST. I need something new here and am looking for a show with the same feel to it. Someone said Breaking bad so maybe I'll give that a try.

It's pretty good. Not God-tier like Lost, but I highly recommend it.
 
Fisticuffs said:
How is Fringe compared to LOST. I need something new here and am looking for a show with the same feel to it. Someone said Breaking bad so maybe I'll give that a try.

It's not really like Lost.

But it's the closest thing we have...sorta.
 
TheGreatDave said:
The Buddhism is a good read.

My current opinion is that the best justification for Dogen's existence as a character was for his name to clue the audience in that Buddhist ideas might play a role in the show.
 
brandonh83 said:
I thought the worst realization scene was Sayid and Shannon. Maggie Grace was given one line and the acting wasn't anything worth writing home about. Thought they could have been into it just a bit more. Still good stuff and I was happy to see some resolution to that but I just felt that many of the realization scenes were so much better. When the scene first started I was like o fuck here's the tears but I remained perfectly calm during it.

Best part of it was Boone taking a beating just for it :lol

Actually, that was one of the best in the episode. The least good one was Jack's.

Sure, Shannon and Boone came from nowhere, but it was greatly executed considering it happened all of a sudden.
 
Solo said:
Well, Maggie Grace is a terrible actress, so that performance was the best she could do.

eh I like her, she did really good in most of her season 1 stuff, particularly around Boone's death. thought she managed well, emotionally speaking. but here, she and Naveen just didn't seem to give a shit at all. :lol

Willy105 said:
Actually, that was one of the best in the episode. The least good one was Jack's.

I disagree, but I thought Sawyer and Juliet's could have been done better as well. Those are the only two that didn't sit well with me. Jack's realization was the best for me because it sort of carried out through to the final shot. It's at least tied with Claire and Charlie's and Sun and Jin's.
 
brandonh83 said:
I thought the worst realization scene was Sayid and Shannon. Maggie Grace was given one line and the acting wasn't anything worth writing home about. Thought they could have been into it just a bit more. Still good stuff and I was happy to see some resolution to that but I just felt that many of the realization scenes were so much better. When the scene first started I was like o fuck here's the tears but I remained perfectly calm during it.

Best part of it was Boone taking a beating just for it :lol


Sayid and Shannon story is so stupid they should've just ignored it completely in the last episode, I think nobody would've complained anyway. Also, I though Sayid true love was the hot arabic girl? WTF?
 
I thought this was a fantastic episode, and its one of my favorite finale's ever.

I think I understand why some people didn't enjoy it, but for me an emotional resolution is always 100% more important than explicit resolutions of plot elements. If a show manages to satisfy my need for emotional resolution, and deliver something epic and exhilarating, then I'm not going to complain because I don't have all the answers.

I'm also fine with the show turning out to be more fantasy than sci-fi. I stopped seeing it as a true sci-fi show several seasons ago, and I had actually been leaning towards a fantasy explanation for a long time. I was actually kind of hoping it would be more magic than science.
 
leroy hacker said:
My current opinion is that the only possible justification for Dogen's existence as a character was for his name to clue the audience in that Buddhist ideas might play a role in the show.
You don't think the many references to dharma might have clued them in on that? It is a central concept in Buddhism.
 
brandonh83 said:
eh I like her, she did really good in most of her season 1 stuff, particularly around Boone's death. thought she managed well, emotionally speaking. but here, she and Naveen just didn't seem to give a shit at all. :lol

Naveen hasnt given a shit in a few seasons in my eyes, to be honest. But then, Sayid has been pretty marginalized from what he once was.
 
bytesized said:
Sayid and Shannon story is so stupid they should've just ignored it completely in the last episode, I think nobody would've complained anyway. Also, I though Sayid true love was the hot arabic girl? WTF?

The arabic girl was why he was on the plane, but his love was Shannon, who he met on the island. Especially when he imagined her to be married to his brother instead to himself in the flash sideways.
 
Fisticuffs said:
How is Fringe compared to LOST. I need something new here and am looking for a show with the same feel to it. Someone said Breaking bad so maybe I'll give that a try.

It has Lost-like qualities mixed with some X-Files. I dig it and can't wait for next season to start.
 
bytesized said:
Anyway, good ending episode, it was an ending already predicted by many but it's the only thing that could make some kind of sense. I still think the series could've been more sincere and straight to the point, specially in the middle seasons, as I feel they condensed waaaaaaaaaaay too much in this last one.

Again, I think there was so much setup by the flash-sideways (now obviously a misnomer) throughout season six, since LAX parts 1 and 2. In retrospect (I'm guessing, and I'll have to confirm it with a full rewatch) I do think they doled out a great deal of information to prime us for this finale, particularly for the purgatory reveal.

Even in terms of the on-island stuff, I felt like they (our heroes) were right on the brink at the end of What They Died For. When we left them, Jack and co. were going to get Desmond and take him to the source/heart of the island, likely have to deal with the MiB. Post-temple massacre, the MiB had been fairly directly making a push to (1) kill off the candidates and then (2) kill the island. IMO, the finale had very little to set up before we got to the final confrontations, i.e. Jack v MiB re: Desmond and Jack v MiB battle to the death and Jack v the Island. My feeling is that the finale was swift and to the point, especially regarding the on-island stuff.

And regarding the flash-sideways stuff, it felt like a cascade of dominoes falling.. as soon as the first couple started to topple, the flashes spread like a large ripple. Jack was the hardest nut to crack, stubborn to the very end. And fittingly so.. it really was his story.

I dunno, to me it just worked.
 
Willy105 said:
Actually, that was one of the best in the episode. The least good one was Jack's.

Jack's wasn't a regular flash like everyone else though. His flash happened as he died ;_;.
 
cnizzle06 said:
Definitely, we all know you have to be sedated in order to go for a submarine ride. :lol

You may say there's nothing to address, but when the producers say they will, I half expect them to.

You don't remember Faradays comment or the fact that electromagnetism has fucked up their instruments in the past?

Polar bear remark was a joke.

Faraday's remark was about how the island's EM causes light to scatter differently on the island.

It's actually called the Faraday effect. :lol
 
bytesized said:
Sayid and Shannon story is so stupid they should've just ignored it completely in the last episode, I think nobody would've complained anyway. Also, I though Sayid true love was the hot arabic girl? WTF?

That's something else that didn't sit well with me. I understand that in the Buddhist flashes Nadia was with Sayid's brother and all and if you look at it from the perspective that Sayid's inability to be with Nadia is due to his various sins throughout his life, but that still doesn't overrule all the work done with Sayid and Nadia's relationship throughout the show which was stronger than what they did with him and Shannon.
 
Solo said:
Naveen hasnt given a shit in a few seasons in my eyes, to be honest. But then, Sayid has been pretty marginalized from what he once was.

Last night on Kimmel, Naveen said the only episode he has watched was the pilot. :lol
 
Rewatched the final 10 minutes of the finale, and I must admit I choked up this time.

My opinion on the finale has certainly softened after the rewatch, as the scene was beautifully done. I'm still disappointed with the final season as a whole, but the final moments of Lost were beautiful.
 
Solo said:
You can't correct someone who is right. You should just be happy that Locke didn't fart in Ben's general direction.
It's not that I'm saying Locke isn't special (being the true Boss' enabler is an important job), but a little modesty, man.

Besides, Ben helped Hugo, presumably for years. Let's not play it down!
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
You don't think the many references to dharma might have clued them in on that? It is a central concept in Buddhism.

Of course they might have. I said that was Dogen's only significant purpose, not that Dogen was the only way to accomplish that purpose.
 
Grecco said:
Am i the only one who will never watch the ending again? Even if it was the most amazing episode ever.


Vincent sitting next to Jack when he dies just absolutely killed me. I couldnt watch that again.
ME never again. It only ends once.. I'm still rewatching but only to WTDF...
 
thekad said:
I was referring to how she perfectly described the on-island events with a vending machine.

Desmond unplugged it, Jack plugged it back in, and then the water dropped down. When Desmond unplugged it, the light went out.

Oh, F. Good one.
 
gdt5016 said:
Jack's wasn't a regular flash like everyone else though. His flash happened as he died ;_;.

That was editing.

The flash sideways and the real events aren't happening at the same time. They are happening in the far future as an epilogue.

The two sides were pieced together because it was the ending of the series.
 
brandonh83 said:
That's something else that didn't sit well with me. I understand that in the Buddhist flashes Nadia was with Sayid's brother and all and if you look at it from the perspective that Sayid's inability to be with Nadia is due to his various sins throughout his life, but that still doesn't overrule all the work done with Sayid and Nadia's relationship throughout the show which was stronger than what they did with him and Shannon.

I think the fact that Nadia died when they were together hammered it in to him that they weren't meant to be.
 
Solo said:
3 more nuggets that my brain shook out this afternoon:

- Kate, Sawyer, Claire and Hurley - those four plus Walt comprise the 5 living Losties of the original 14. Boone? Dead S1. Shannon? Dead S2. Charlie? Dead S3. Michael? Dead S4. Locke? Dead S5. Sayid? Dead S6. Sun? Dead S6. Jin? Dead S6. Jack? Dead S6.
- the last line of LOST belongs to John Locke: "we've been waiting for you"
- when Ben killed Jacob, MIB kicked him into the fire; when Kate killed MIB, Jack kicked him into the water
goddamn it... it's just perfect everything about this show...
 
Solo said:
What? No :lol You're confusing the way it was edited/written with when he died.

No, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

What I mean is that Jack's final realization/flash, came while taking to his father. All that cut in with his death march made it the best flash.

He didn't experience them both at the same time. I know that.
 
gdt5016 said:
No, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

What I mean is that Jack's final realization/flash, came while taking to his father. All that cut in with his death march made it the best flash.

He didn't experience them both at the same time.

Jack's a little slow.
 
brandonh83 said:
I want to see scenes with Hurley and Ben after Jack died and the rest of them got off the island. I seriously cannot even imagine.

They should make a spin off series called "Hugo's Cool Island of Magnetism and stuff, dude, how does it work?" or something like that. It should be a comedy with laughtracks and constant catchfrases. :lol
 
Good ending to a great show. I really liked the eye closing part and how it's the same scene from the pilot when his eye opens.
 
"There is no now here" - Time is a bit meaningless where they were and it doesn't really apply to the "real world".

I couldn't imagine Hugo being trapped there for millennia, I hope he decided to leave the Island when he wanted to see friends and family.
 
bytesized said:
They should make a spin off series called "Hugo's Cool Island of Magnetism and stuff, dude, how does it work?" or something like that. It should be a comedy with laughtracks and constant catchfrases. :lol

With a comical hurley bird that occasionally lands on his shoulder and throws out a smart remark.
 
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