LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Son of Godzilla
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And in the end...
FUCK
THIS
SHIT.
FUCK
THIS
SHIT.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Your reaction was the most predictable thing about the end of Lost.Son of Godzilla said:
That post spoiled the end of The Wire about as much as knowing that the last episode of The Wire is the finale.duckroll said:
phisheep
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cory said:
Observed on GAF first though, 'bout 24 hours ago!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21436384&postcount=5216
phisheep said:
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Alright let me be a bit more constructive.
Things I liked:
Ben chillaxing on the island//pergatory.
Hurley donning the mantle.
Jack dying.
Locke dying like a fucking chump. No seriously, I watched a shit-load of prior season episodes before this finale. Locke is a goddamn chump. Fullfuckingstop. I thought it was just character assassination in season 3. No, the boy is a goddamn fool, throughout the fucking show. From Walkabout till The Goddamn End. Fuck Locke.
Styrafoam rocks. Seriously. LOST has such a huge goddamn budget and shit, and the riveting conclusion is highlighted by goddamn styrofoam boulders. Hah. Hah. Or whatever.
PENNY DIES!!@!@@! Well, kinda. She was included in the shitscene, so one can assume. I had hopes for this going into the finale.
Anyways, all joking aside... I liked it. I mean, I can recognize that it's utter and complete shit. But still, I liked it. LOST has always been about the peoples for me. It's why I've loved this season, with it's meaningless flash-sideways, and why I'm fucking delighted the black/white shitfucks didn't show up anywhere.
Things I liked:
Ben chillaxing on the island//pergatory.
Hurley donning the mantle.
Jack dying.
Locke dying like a fucking chump. No seriously, I watched a shit-load of prior season episodes before this finale. Locke is a goddamn chump. Fullfuckingstop. I thought it was just character assassination in season 3. No, the boy is a goddamn fool, throughout the fucking show. From Walkabout till The Goddamn End. Fuck Locke.
Styrafoam rocks. Seriously. LOST has such a huge goddamn budget and shit, and the riveting conclusion is highlighted by goddamn styrofoam boulders. Hah. Hah. Or whatever.
PENNY DIES!!@!@@! Well, kinda. She was included in the shitscene, so one can assume. I had hopes for this going into the finale.
Anyways, all joking aside... I liked it. I mean, I can recognize that it's utter and complete shit. But still, I liked it. LOST has always been about the peoples for me. It's why I've loved this season, with it's meaningless flash-sideways, and why I'm fucking delighted the black/white shitfucks didn't show up anywhere.
As I mentioned a few pages back, the flash-sideways gave us solace as it was unfolding this season, but now, knowing it's true nature (it isn't reality), it actually makes LOST a really tragic show for many of the characters. Almost all of them, in fact.
The way the final episode is constructed makes it easy to not consider these facts, because you're presented with "real" events happening, such as characters dying, and then immediately shown Flash-sideways events, that show them happy and healthy again:
- Jack dies alone on the island, and never sees Kate again.
- Even worse, Kate lives a (presumably) long life off the island, never forgetting her true love, Jack.
- Jin and Sun both die on the island, making their daughter an orphan.
- Worst of all is motherfucking LOCKE, though. This is also the easiest of them all to not think about, since we have Flocke on the island, and real like in LA X. Locke has inarguably the most tragic character arc or most other shows. I mean, after everything he goes through, this is how Locke goes out:
Talk about a fucking sad-face... goddamn.
Emotionally, it is harder for the audience to be as saddened by these events as they would be on another show or movie or book, because we are *literally* shown their happy afterlife. But the bottom line is, most of these characters meet tragic ends.
The time-traveling, purgatory-visiting, body-inhabiting nature of the show has the effect of making LOST's character threads pretty hard to unravel. Some might say it is the show's strength, but I think I might work against it. For several seasons now, it has been tough to be very sad about characters dying. Esp. season 6.
But yeah... my overall point is that for a lot of LostGAF I don't think it's really sunk in yet what it MEANS that LA X is not a merged timeline, is not a linear epilogue, etc. I means that a lot of these characters have sad endings (at least here on Earth). Yeah you can say "well yeah but they go to heaven so it's cool" but the same could be said of any drama that has sad endings. The difference with LOST is that we get to see it.
The way the final episode is constructed makes it easy to not consider these facts, because you're presented with "real" events happening, such as characters dying, and then immediately shown Flash-sideways events, that show them happy and healthy again:
- Jack dies alone on the island, and never sees Kate again.
- Even worse, Kate lives a (presumably) long life off the island, never forgetting her true love, Jack.
- Jin and Sun both die on the island, making their daughter an orphan.
- Worst of all is motherfucking LOCKE, though. This is also the easiest of them all to not think about, since we have Flocke on the island, and real like in LA X. Locke has inarguably the most tragic character arc or most other shows. I mean, after everything he goes through, this is how Locke goes out:
Talk about a fucking sad-face... goddamn.
Emotionally, it is harder for the audience to be as saddened by these events as they would be on another show or movie or book, because we are *literally* shown their happy afterlife. But the bottom line is, most of these characters meet tragic ends.
The time-traveling, purgatory-visiting, body-inhabiting nature of the show has the effect of making LOST's character threads pretty hard to unravel. Some might say it is the show's strength, but I think I might work against it. For several seasons now, it has been tough to be very sad about characters dying. Esp. season 6.
But yeah... my overall point is that for a lot of LostGAF I don't think it's really sunk in yet what it MEANS that LA X is not a merged timeline, is not a linear epilogue, etc. I means that a lot of these characters have sad endings (at least here on Earth). Yeah you can say "well yeah but they go to heaven so it's cool" but the same could be said of any drama that has sad endings. The difference with LOST is that we get to see it.
Discotheque
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Lafiel said:
I agree (minus Desmond). Locke and Ben tended to have actual emotional moments throughout the series. Rather than just pure melodrama.
Son of Godzilla
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DeathNote said:
The one predominant theme I noticed from this episode is how goddamn ugly Naveen Andrews... Haha I just googled that name and it turns out that's the fucking actor that played Sayid, not Kate. All these years I just assumed that was her... But really... my point was that Kate circa season 3-6 is like forty fucking years older than the one previously. To the extent that I actually confused her for Russo in the Season 3 finale. Multiple times. Oh and I fucking laughed at how short Claire was compared to anyone.
I also realized that my severe attraction to Ana Lucia is because she's looks fucking identical to an ex. I don't know how I never noticed the first time I watched this show.
StuBurns said:
I haven't watched any of The Wire, but it comes very highly recommended so I plan on getting the series set and watching it some day. Some guy already posted an actual character spoiler in a previous Lost thread while arguing about shit. I would appreciate it if shit like that never happens again. I don't know what is or isn't a spoiler because I've never seen it...
It has been throughout the whole thing. They even fuck up what is otherwise flawless, like The Constant, it's great until the end of that phone call when the horrible 'titanic' style babbling happens.Lafiel said:
I think having it as a criticism of the finale is fine, but it's not indicative to the whole show, not exclusive to the end.
Fair enough, I shall hold my lip. It's not what I'd consider a spoiler. And it is an amazing show, maybe the best written I've seen, for the most part at least.duckroll said:
IIRC, I had some BSG finale spoiler problems in SGU thread a few months ago.duckroll said:
People always reply with "statute of limitations!"
But, really now, everyone has a backlog. At least be considerate for the television shows that had a finale in 2004+. I'm pulling the date out of my ass, but current shows are really upping quality making it an experience to not know anything. They are all long time investments.
I personally wont speak about the LOST finale my entire life unless I know someone has seen it.
There is a 'statue of limitations' on spoilers, there should be anyway, if you don't know the planet of the apes ends the way it does, that's really your fault. A TV show is different, The Wire only ended two years ago, and I wouldn't have posted what I considered a spoiler without tagging it, but something like The Prisoner I wouldn't think about spoiler tagging. Even Twin Peaks yesterday we discussed in this thread and avoided mentioning the ending, because it's one of those things that you can't discuss without spoiling.DeathNote said:
I loved it till the end of the phone call when it was all "I'll find you, I'll never forget you etc" And then they synced up the "I love you", just seemed really cheesy, which given the perfection of the episode until that point, was a shame for me.omg rite said:
Son of Godzilla said:
This really isn't true. Lost is a relatively expensive TV production, but that doesn't mean it has a HUGE budget. A lot of the expense is due to having to shoot on location in Hawaii. It's something they need to spend. Outside of the necessary spending, Lost has a pretty limited budget. You'll notice they generally build one new set a season and try to use as much of it as possible. They also try to reuse locations to save costs. The CG effects on Lost always sucked really, really badly, even in season finales. I don't see why it would be a problem for you now if you've been following it for 6 seasons! :lol
Discotheque
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Jexhius said:
Yeah wtf? Only a handshake from who was arguably his greatest adversary. Yet he gives Desmond a hug and kiss and.....
omg rite said:
Yeah shit like that is really fucking annoying. When I'm reading a Lost thread, I don't expect to see unmarked spoilers for other shows. If you're posting on a Lost finale thread, then yes the expectation is that everyone reading it has already seen the entire series, or doesn't care about being spoiled. I just think it's plain rude to spoil other series or movies when it has nothing to do with Lost.
I agree that people have to deal with most movie spoilers. And that it doesn't matter with some TV shows. And yeah, people should know what they should say and shouldn't say with specific shows. But, unfortunately, some are assholes and argue statute of limitations no matter what.StuBurns said:
edit: beaten with an example
supermackem
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StuBurns said:
Try the english life on mars followed by ashes to ashes i think youll find it alot like lost.
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Just saw it again and teared up. Seeing all them hugging, i was just reflecting on all the horrible shit these people went through and how they finally found peace with each other. That eye closing and the score on this episode will be with me for a long time.
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Arment said:
Im glad they gave it to her. They must have understood all the hate she has gotten fro so long about her never doing anything but now she finally did contribute something meaningful. She saved jack and the island with that shot.
Discotheque
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LOL I was just looking at his face throughout that entire sequence and it's like
"I'm gonna kick your aaaaaa....ah shit"
"I'm gonna kick your aaaaaa....ah shit"
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Out of all the ham-fisted shit that transpired in this episode, I must say that Ben apologizing to Locke for fucking murdering him was absolutely the most sincere moment. I'd say of the entire show, if pressured.Arment said:
I was being facetious mostly. When Dessy untucked the dildo, my inner-shitbag screamed for joy when the Star Trek shakey cam was unleashed. The actual effects weren't overly bad, just stupid. Unless a cave-in is about to happen, what the fuck do I need to see two or three grey chunks of styrofoam hurled at the actors for?duckroll said:
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Thank goodness it cut to a commercial exactly after that and the continuation had absolutely nothing to do with it.McBacon said:
A nice colour corrected version
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Whoa. I just realized the Hurley/Ben island ruling combo is a fantastic avenue o answer mystery questions that where promised in the DVD. God i hope so.
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