Anton Sugar
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Lard said:
LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Drealmcc0y
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ckohler said:
look at the comments, its disgusting
brandonh83
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Lard said:
I'm convinced that if it were positive, you still would have shared the link. I know it in my heart.
Drealmcc0y
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I dont know if this has been posted before i got this off another site:
The plug in the vending machine is in.....the machine works with a complication(candy bar getting stuck)
The plug in the vending machine is out.....the machine stops working, complication is removed(candy bar is taken out)
The plug in the vending machine is in......the machine works with no more complications(no more candy is stuck)
The cork is in the hole.....the island works with a complication(MIB)
The cork is removed from the hole.....the island stops working, complication is removed(MIB dies)
The cork is placed back in the hole.....the island works again with no more complications (bye bye MIB)
The plug in the vending machine is in.....the machine works with a complication(candy bar getting stuck)
The plug in the vending machine is out.....the machine stops working, complication is removed(candy bar is taken out)
The plug in the vending machine is in......the machine works with no more complications(no more candy is stuck)
The cork is in the hole.....the island works with a complication(MIB)
The cork is removed from the hole.....the island stops working, complication is removed(MIB dies)
The cork is placed back in the hole.....the island works again with no more complications (bye bye MIB)
BenjaminBirdie
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Drealmcc0y said:
I'm over all that mess. I went through all this with the Dark Tower.
BenjaminBirdie
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Drealmcc0y said:
MiB's name? Apollo.
BenjaminBirdie
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ckohler said:
This is great to revisit. Really nice that they intentionally wanted to foster discussion. My theory (Juliet made the Sideways Envelope when she set off Jughead) will always be right.
Drealmcc0y
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BenjaminBirdie said:
I hate all this childish behaviour, but i cant help but be drawn into it haha
Raist said:
I dunno, I love the idea that Smokey IS supposed to be the island's guardian (Rousseau would have been right all along), because it actually does make a lot of sense. I interpret it as something like this:
1) The powers make perfect sense going with Smokey as (ideally) some sort of judge of the afterlife. He scans minds - there's no more effective possible way to judge someone's morality. He can appear in many different forms, which is helpful when it comes to interacting with people in their own element (and not scaring the shit out of people by appearing as growling smoke).
2) There are skeletons down in the light cave, and these are probably previous Smokey guardians who shed their human bodies (credit to another gaffer, I love that theory).
3) It didn't pan out very well this time around and turned into a 2,000 year long power struggle because the guy who became Smokey wasn't the actual guardian, but someone who was forced into the Smokey role by someone who soon became the actual guardian.
Point #3 also goes with the duality/balance theme. Jacob and MIB were in fact supposed to be the same person with combined powers, but those were split in between two people - MIB got the "mechanical", physical powers (science) of the guardian, while Jacob got the more mystical powers such as the touching and the ability to create the rules (faith). I think it's also important to note that the Mother was very likely a smoke monster and also the guardian who passed the gift on down to Jacob - MIB wouldn't have been able to pass on that type of gift, but was also Smokey. Jacob passed the guardian gift on down to Jack, but he wasn't Smokey.
The guardian of the island is ultimately supposed to function as judge&protector|spirit guide&ferryman, but those roles and powers were split in half between an upset MIB and Jacob due to Jacob's, shall we say, mild fuck-up.
He redeemed himself, though. S'all good, Blader. S'ALL GOOD.Staccat0 said:
I don't think Jacob always knew that he was going to bring these people to the island. Correct me if I am wrong (if it goes against the timeline when Jacob visited the characters), but I think he knew that he had to bring them to the island the moment they started to flash through time and landed in the 1970s where they met Richard and the others. I am sure Richard told Jacob about these mysterious visitors and Jacob decided to visit them himself, instead of sending Richard by himself, like he did with Locke.
brandonh83
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I like how Jack essentially died for Jacob's sins, and how many people kept speculating about Jack being a Jesus-like figure, by helping and guiding people, as well as his namesake being Biblical in reference, and again, dying for someone's sins at the end.
Buckethead
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Gawker can go fuck themselves.
Kotaku, Gizmodo, and whoever reviewed the finale. They all suck and suck hard.
Kotaku, Gizmodo, and whoever reviewed the finale. They all suck and suck hard.
njean777
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Buckethead said:
or maybe they just have a different opinion? iIf they dont like it and state the reason professionally then no reason to be mad, if they just act like assholes and throw out shrewd comments then i could see where you are coming from. Also have to remember Gawker, Koatku always act like elitist in their post.
brandonh83
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gdt5016 said:
Oh! Very true.
So yeah after having more time to think, the finale keeps growing on me so much. I loved it immediately, I mean I was practically drowning in my own tears, but beyond the emotional level I felt that now, after the finale and episodes like Across the Sea (eat it bitches) that I can look at the story from a bigger perspective and I feel that I'm able to answer some of the bigger questions for myself. I was always curious about the Egyptian stuff everywhere, but now I "get it" when I take the entire picture as a whole.
I need more time to think before I make any real hardcore posts though so I'll spare you all everybody for now.
RedAssedApe
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Buckethead said:
Kotaku (Stephen Totilo) posted a positive review about the finale. Keep raging... :lol
BenjaminBirdie
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I hope the S6 soundtrack has the entire score of 'The End' on its own disc like the Season 3 soundtrack.
I absolutely support the theory that the smoke monster's purpose is to protect the island, but there is one thing that is stopping me from believing it. Since Flocke died and Jack went in the cave and was thrown in the same spot as (MIB), does that mean that he is now the smoke monster, even though he died and there was no indication that he became one??
BenjaminBirdie
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Solo said:
YES.
Don't believe the haters. It is brilliant all the way through.
Napoleonthechimp
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The people attacking the finale on youtube (and other places) are completely ignorant.
Zeliard said:I dunno, I love the idea that Smokey IS supposed to be the island's guardian (Rousseau would have been right all along), because it actually does make a lot of sense. I interpret it as something like this:
1) The powers make perfect sense going with Smokey as (ideally) some sort of judge of the afterlife. He scans minds - there's no more effective possible way to judge someone's morality. He can appear in many different forms, which is helpful when it comes to interacting with people in their own element (and not scaring the shit out of people by appearing as growling smoke).
2) There are skeletons down in the light cave, and these are probably previous Smokey guardians who shed their human bodies (credit to another gaffer, I love that theory).
3) It didn't pan out very well this time around and turned into a 2,000 year long power struggle because the guy who became Smokey wasn't the actual guardian, but someone who was forced into the Smokey role by someone who soon became the actual guardian.
Point #3 also goes with the duality/balance theme. Jacob and MIB were in fact supposed to be the same person with combined powers, but those were split in between two people - MIB got the "mechanical", physical powers (science) of the guardian, while Jacob got the more mystical powers such as the touching and the ability to create the rules (faith). I think it's also important to note that the Mother was very likely a smoke monster and also the guardian who passed the gift on down to Jacob - MIB wouldn't have been able to pass on that type of gift, but was also Smokey. Jacob passed the guardian gift on down to Jack, but he wasn't Smokey.
The guardian of the island is ultimately supposed to function as judge&protector|spirit guide&ferryman, but those roles and powers were split in half between an upset MIB and Jacob due to Jacob's, shall we say, mild fuck-up.
Yeah, I do agree that it kind of works the way they presented it (a subjective view), however there are fundamental flaws if you think "out of the box".
1) Why weren't the smokey powers tranfered directly to Jacob from his mom?
2) Why go through all this trouble and call people to the island since MIB wasn't allowed to kill Jacob and couldn't escape the island on his own. Jacob's original motivation was to prove his brother wrong about men being fundamentally bad, but that was completely pointless.
It all falls flat in a way. Would have worked better if Smokey was an evil entity that Jacob couldn't kill/get rid of himself because he was still bound by his mother's rule. The only one who could have done that would be Desmond, and Jacob called more people to help him through this quest. Of course, by bringing people to the island, that was taking a risk of potentially bringing people that would fall under Smokey's influence and kill Jacob for him.
Buckethead
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No, no, no. I'm fine with people having an opinion. That's fine.njean777 said:
But their "review" was nothing but a long immature rant filled with childish hatespeech.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but definitively saying something without any quest
to introduce outside opinions, thoughts, or general analysis isn't opinion. That's just shit talk.
And I'm not referring to Kotaku's review of LOST, just the site generally.
Then there's Gizmodo's classless and illegal iPhone stuff, just Gawker in general is irritating.
Byakuya769
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Zeliard said:
I like the theory too, but crazy mother presumably would have shed her physical body as well. Yet she left a normal body after MIB killed her.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Genuinely surprised that some people thought this was the best Lost episode much less one of their favorite episodes of all time in anything. It was a fine episode, to be sure. I just don't think it lived up to the overall awesomeness that was the rest of the show combined.
I would venture to say that every season finale was better than the series finale.
I would venture to say that every season finale was better than the series finale.
InaudibleWhispa
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Watched it again, alone this time. Man that was even more emotional a second time, I was a mess. I must never watch this drunk.
I initially thought that the ending was a ripoff but watched it again and read some explanations and I actually love it now!
Lost was never about the Island, it was always about the characters and that's where it delivered. The Island and everything else was just a vehicle to deliver character development. The Island existed for eons before they were born and eons after they died but it was what connected them and their bond.
Some died on the Island, others left, but their time on it was the defining period in their lives. In the end, Jacob and the MiB were no more special than the Losties and didn't understand the nature of the Island either.
Some things can't be answered except that they exist.
Lost was never about the Island, it was always about the characters and that's where it delivered. The Island and everything else was just a vehicle to deliver character development. The Island existed for eons before they were born and eons after they died but it was what connected them and their bond.
Some died on the Island, others left, but their time on it was the defining period in their lives. In the end, Jacob and the MiB were no more special than the Losties and didn't understand the nature of the Island either.
Some things can't be answered except that they exist.
Well theres the thingByakuya769 said:
If the Protector is supposed to have the Divine powers of Jacob AND the powers that come from the Smoke...
...well, that could pretty much rewrite the rules entirely. If the theory holds water, and I think it is pretty solid, then that solidifies that MIB was an incomplete being, hence why the Smoke was his default form.
BenjaminBirdie
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Lard said:
So you're saying I don't? You're pretty good at posting links. Not so good at refuting my point by point defenses of the finale throughout this thread, complete with ironclad references to the entire series.
Anton Sugar
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Zeliard said:
Holy shit. I never thought about that. Mother was expecting one, solitary, perfect child but it was split between two.
Also, has it been discussed that maybe Jacob killed MIB outside of the cave (on the rock) and the reason why he was transformed into something evil was already dead when he reached the light?
We saw the skeletons at the bottom--maybe those were people who were alive and tried to get close. Maybe the "fate worse than death" was becoming the ghosts/whispers forever stuck?
Just throwing shit out there
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
BenjaminBirdie said:
Well, Song of Susannah was kind of meh, but even still a quick read. The series on a whole is incredible, though.
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