LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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New theory time...

Dharma Food drops = Hurley Jacob hires a company to continue to send food through all of time.

BAM!

SOLVED.

The ashes around the cabin are actually Oreo cookie crumbs.

SOLVED.

The hurley bird is Hurley trying out new bad ass wings he made.

SOLVED.
 
I know it's hyperbole, but I doubt I'll ever get sick of The End, or stop finding it emotive. It's really one of the best episodes of television ever for me.
 
Blader5489 said:
Well, it may not be his fault for him being tied to the heart of the island (though it kind of is), but if MIB wants to leave the island, knowing full well what will happen to everyone else, I'd say that it's his fault. =P
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I doubt he knew full well, though. I think it's likely that he didn't, actually - he said to Jacob "come on, just let me leave" in a way that sort of seemed like was puzzled as to why he was being kept there.
 
irfan said:
What the GAF consensus on the finale?

IMO, the best drama on TV ever.
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Well you need to get out of this thread to get the consensus, cause outside of here there are plenty that think it sucked. I loved it, a beautiful ending and the best finale to anything I have seen. Not sure if its my favorite episode of the series but its up there.
 
Zeliard said:
I doubt he knew full well, though. I think it's likely that he didn't, actually - he said to Jacob "come on, just let me leave" in a way that sort of seemed like was puzzled as to why he was being kept there.
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I doubt he could go 2000 years without knowing why Jacob wouldn't let him go. MIB is supposed to be a scientific genius who figures everything out, right? :lol

I don't think he was puzzled as to why Jacob was keeping him on the island, but why he was keeping him there for the sake of everyone else. MIB has no regard or care for other people, so it's beyond him why Jacob is shackling him to protect the rest of the world.
 
Zeliard said:
It's fine to still want answers, certainly, but so many of those have been answered. :lol

I watched like the first 30 seconds and nearly all of those questions, we know.
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funny thing is he forgot about the HURLEY BIRD
 
Blader5489 said:
I doubt he could go 2000 years without knowing why Jacob wouldn't let him go. MIB is supposed to be a scientific genius who figures everything out, right? :lol

I don't think he was puzzled as to why Jacob was keeping him on the island, but why he was keeping him there for the sake of everyone else. MIB has no regard or care for other people, so it's beyond him why Jacob is shackling him to protect the rest of the world.
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:lol

This is silly logic.

Obviously, if MIB leaving does something as cataclysmic as destroying the world, he probably doesn't realize this because it would sort of endanger his own existence. Slightly.

It's clear why he didn't care about leaving: he didn't think the island was significant enough to keep him shackled there, and he felt that nothing would happen if he just left. Eventually, he realized he had to destroy the island to leave, but he still didn't think this would cause some major disaster because he was trying to ride away from the sunken island on a damn boat!
 
Someone needs to make me an avatar from "Through the Looking Glass".

The part where Ben and Jack are arguing and you hear the gunshots over the walkie-talkie. Ben says "So sorry, Jack," only to have Jack look up at him like a mad man and beat him up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqvpSabKdFo#t=1m52s

That. Greatest Jackface in the entire series. :lol

If someone can make that avatar from a nice quality version of that scene, I will forever be in your debt.
 
MoonsaultSlayer said:
I like to think that whoever built the temples, the wheel, and the well cork are the equivalent of Dharma coming in and building the hatches. These ancient folks tapped into something they couldn't handle, put a cork on it and tasked some poor soul to watch over it to save the world.

Dharma fucks around with shit they can't handle, poors some concrete over it, rigs up some computers and tasked some poor soul to push a button every 108 minutes to save the world.

Jacob was a protector of the cave and left the island to touch people to bring to the island. Desmond was a protector in the hatch nd left the island to touch people to get them to move on.

I'm loving these parallels here. And that's just one of several ideas I've come up with all day. LOVED the finale.
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Damn, nice explanation.
 
big ander said:
In "Across the Sea" we're almost positive the Mother takes out the entire village of people and covers the well.
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Well in that case how the hell did MIB kill her. I mean, after he turned into Smokey (or vice versa if you ask me) he was immune to anything. Unless the heart of the island was messed up, which clearly didn't happen.

Well, there are things that prove it. 1) Jacob and MIB both say he used to be a man, that he was killed by Jacob. 2) He wants to get off the island for the exact same reasons.
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Well Smokey also pretended to be Locke for a while, that doesn't prove anything. Jacob could also be confused (or tricked). Plus if it was just MIB with part of the island's powers, how come Jacob found his dead body (which was still there when the losties arrived).

I see where you guys are coming from and that could kinda work, it's just that it's poorly presented and with a few contradictions. If that was their intent, that is.
 
big ander said:
Fox seems like such an intense guy. It's almost scary. Whereas TOQ and Emerson seem like they come at their jobs with so much levity. Funny.
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People who have met him say hes quite intense. Relax, Matt.
 
Zeliard said:
:lol

This is silly logic.

Obviously, if MIB leaving does something as cataclysmic as destroying the world, he probably doesn't realize this because it would sort of endanger his own existence. Slightly.

It's clear why he didn't care about leaving: he didn't think the island was significant enough to keep him shackled there, and he felt that nothing would happen if he just left. Eventually, he realized he had to destroy the island to leave, but he still didn't think this would cause some major disaster because he was trying to ride away from the sunken island on a damn boat!
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If that's true, I think you've overestimated his intelligence. :lol
 
TheGreatDave said:
I know it's hyperbole, but I doubt I'll ever get sick of The End, or stop finding it emotive. It's really one of the best episodes of television ever for me.
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I don't think that's a hyperbolic statement at all. Six years later and Ive not gotten tired if Pilot, Walkabout etc.. You think about an episode like The Constant and the amount of emotion in that last scene, but there were literally 6-7 scenes in The End that met or surpassed it. Others that came damn close. It's almost absurd that such a thing was possible.
 
Tralfamadore64 said:
Did anyone grab a screen cap of the brief shot of the (possible) contents of the complete series box set from the last episode of Lost Untangled?
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You know those Oceanic 815 plane crash images that ran after Jack's (Matthew Fox) eye closed and the "Lost" logo appeared on our TV screens? Some "Lost" fans and TV critics have wondered if they were a last Easter egg from the producers, a clue meant to lead us to conclude that no one survived Oceanic 815's crash landing — and therefore everything we've seen over the last six years never really happened.

Well, ABC wants to clear the air: Those photographs were not part of the "Lost" story at all. The network added them to soften the transition from the moving ending of the series to the 11 p.m. news and never considered that it would confuse viewers about the actual ending of the show.

"The images shown during the end credits of the 'Lost' finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the final story but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news," an ABC spokesperson wrote in an e-mail Tuesday.

That means, Losties, that we were not supposed to think that Christian Shepherd (John Terry) is a liar. What Christian told his son, when they were reunited at the church, should serve as guidance for our interpretation of the series' ending.

So let's review: Christian told Jack that he was dead and everyone else in the church was too — some had died before Jack, as we already knew, and some died long after. The sideways flashes then were a step in everyone's after-lives, a way to reconnect before moving on permanently. While there still may be unanswered questions related to that religious and spiritual conclusion to the "Lost" story, the photographs were really just a nostalgic, transitional touch added by ABC executives — and not executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.

Love or hate it, that's the final answer.
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Source: LA Times
 
Dead said:
It was a nice idea. I was glad the finale didn't end on the usual Lost end credits + ads
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But it makes me weep for humanity even more that people are so dumb that they mistook nostalgia for everyone being dead.
 
Raist said:
Well in that case how the hell did MIB kill her. I mean, after he turned into Smokey (or vice versa if you ask me) he was immune to anything. Unless the heart of the island was messed up, which clearly didn't happen.



Well Smokey also pretended to be Locke for a while, that doesn't prove anything. Jacob could also be confused (or tricked). Plus if it was just MIB with part of the island's powers, how come Jacob found his dead body (which was still there when the losties arrived).

I see where you guys are coming from and that could kinda work, it's just that it's poorly presented and with a few contradictions. If that was their intent, that is.
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You're right, it is confusing and not well explained. It's why I don't enjoy AtS very much. But I'll keep trying to reconcile it:
MIB killed her because they weren't protected from each other and MIB was also special.
Smokey was pretending to be Locke until it was revealed he wasn't, then he showed that he was actually the smoke monster. But he still said he had the experiences of MIB. What would be the point of saying he had those memories if he wasn't that person and the Losties didn't know who that person was?
My thoughts now are that Samuel, MIB pre-light toilet, died, but his spirit was merged with the manifestation of evil. So it was MIB, but not MIBs body.
Solo said:
I still cant believe he threw a hot pocket
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how bout we fill a pop-tart with nasty meat, and cook it in a sleeve thing
Aesius said:
I wonder if Matthew Fox has ever met Tom Cruise?
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They'd both stare at each other intensely until both of their heads exploded.
 
Blader5489 said:
If that's true, I think you've overestimated his intelligence. :lol
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You think it's more intelligent to leave and destroy both himself and the world, than to not be sure how the island is connected to the rest of the world because you've never been anywhere else? ;)

Also notable is that he switched plans and decided to pull the cork when he couldn't kill all the candidates. So if him simply leaving without pulling the cork destroys the earth, then what does pulling the cork and then leaving do? Destroy the earth twice?
 
Solo said:
But it makes me weep for humanity even more that people are so dumb that they mistook nostalgia for everyone being dead.
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3 more friends today asked the same question, and I just couldn't even answer.

"So they all died in the crash, right?"

SMH
 
Just curious, did Jacob ever SAY he brought anyone to the island?

I was just thinking that it may have been more likely that Jacob was choosing candidates from those who were destined to arrive on the island anyway. Makes Jacob more sympathetic and involves slightly less magic. Desmond crashed the plane and jacob took it as an oppurtunity maybe?

Not that it matters, but I think I would like this better than Jacob wrecking boats and planes constantly.
 
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