LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Anton Sugar
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:lolbig ander said:
When I texted my friend, he said the same thing.
"we aren't going to guam, are we?"
Keyser Soze
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We are now 1 full week into a post-Lost world :/
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Keyser Soze said:
ChoklitReign
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I just watched "The Constant" again.
The telephone scene is still the best. The End did a good job of emulating that feeling though. Desmond should have had a larger role in the finale. Instead he gets knocked out by a stone cork and Jack becomes Mr. Jesus.
The telephone scene is still the best. The End did a good job of emulating that feeling though. Desmond should have had a larger role in the finale. Instead he gets knocked out by a stone cork and Jack becomes Mr. Jesus.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
some of the gideon slife photos are available for purchase now, if you guys are interested.
None of these were really my favorites, but he'll probably add more later. $15 a pop.
None of these were really my favorites, but he'll probably add more later. $15 a pop.
So as we all know, Lost is in syndication (and it's probably the worst show ever for that). In my area, "The Incident, Part 2" is currently ending. As I type this, Juliet is waking up in the hole after she fell and about to hit the bomb.
But before that, it was the scene where Jacob dies. ...And they cut out Ben stabbing him.
Jacob says, "What about you?" and Ben flinches like he's about to raise the knife. And the next split second, it's Jacob falling against Ben's body all bloody.
Why the fuck would they cut that out!? :lol
But before that, it was the scene where Jacob dies. ...And they cut out Ben stabbing him.
Jacob says, "What about you?" and Ben flinches like he's about to raise the knife. And the next split second, it's Jacob falling against Ben's body all bloody.
Why the fuck would they cut that out!? :lol
Dreams-Visions
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Syndication will not work for LOST.omg rite said:
nor would a show like 24, I don't think. shows that are dependent on week-to-week continuity and show order.
Oh, and they air them stupidly out of order. They showed "The Incident, Part 2" at midnight. Now, at 1 am, they're starting "The Incident, Part 1". :lol
I guess they replay the episode that airs at midnight the next week at 1 am. Meaning next week at midnight should be "Pilot" (as I doubt season 6 is allowed in syndication until the fall) and then "The Incident, Part 2" at 1 am. Which is the DUMBEST THING EVER.
I guess they replay the episode that airs at midnight the next week at 1 am. Meaning next week at midnight should be "Pilot" (as I doubt season 6 is allowed in syndication until the fall) and then "The Incident, Part 2" at 1 am. Which is the DUMBEST THING EVER.
TheGreatDave
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:lol Wow.omg rite said:
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Still can't believe they were dead the entire series, man. FUCK.Nameless said:
Nameless
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
I love it.. That means the ghosts on the island were so fuckin hardcore that they were actually haunting other ghosts. Even means there were ghost polar bears and that's by far the most amazing thing ever.
Taller Ghost Walt= Taller Ghost Ghost Walt.
LAWST
Dreams-Visions
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yes, they did.Veidt said:
Starchasing
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Dreams-Visions said:
dharma experiment....
someone said i will fed you to those polar bears they are experimenting on
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So, I went to the Vilcek Foundation today and took a bunch of photos of props and stuff: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gluetree/sets/72157624046701717/
If you're in NYC you definitely should go see it. Pretty cool to actually get to see Jughead while they play Hollywood and Vines in the background.
If you're in NYC you definitely should go see it. Pretty cool to actually get to see Jughead while they play Hollywood and Vines in the background.
Nameless
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ITT: We post songs that remind of us of/fit with LOST:
Oasis-Half the World Away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1YqF3pYAeg
Oasis-Half the World Away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1YqF3pYAeg
DaBargainHunta
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Because she was a "bad" person. It's the same reason Ben got a tumor on his spine.JDS 1977 said:
HowardRoark
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So I decided I wasn't going to say anything until I had completely digested the ending of the show. I find my feelings to on the end of the show to be consistent with the theme of duality between light and dark: I both liked and disliked it.
During the season, like many others, I felt slightly annoyed by the flash sideways. The plots were meandering, slow, and involved versions of the characters that I had no connection to. Sure, they were almost identical to the characters I had grown to love or hate, but they were slightly different and in a different environment (read: timeline, or so I thought). It turned out that the flash sideways was a sort of purgatory, for the characters to reunite before moving on to the next step in the afterlife. I liked seeing the characters happy, rejoicing to be with their loved ones. The final image, while predictable was absolutely perfect. I love dogs, and I almost cried when Vincent returned to lie next to a dying Jack.
After all is said and done, Season 6 was one of the worst seasons. I have to say, an easy counterpoint to my ensuing arguments would be: "You had expectations for the end, and they went in a different direction with it." I enjoyed the ride immensely, and as a LOST fanatic, I enjoyed every minute of it. However, I can't help but be disappointed. Lets start with the events on the island. So we found at the end of Season 5 that our characters are in the middle of a conflict that spans millennia: between a light force (Jacob) and a dark force (MIB). Presumably, their Candidacy as chosen by Jacob brought the important Ajira 316 members back to 1977. Instead of resetting anything, they caused the very Incident that was referred to in prior seasons. The MIB exploited the time travel to long con Locke and kill Jacob. My biggest problem with this: How was MIB omniscient? How could know when the island (And Locke) will flash to? Because he's special? If he has such a communion with this Island of Goodness in People (TM) why would he want off so badly? Because he's inherently dark?
Also, we see in "the Incident" that Jacob is trying to continually prove to MIB that humans are inherently good. He does this by bringing people to the island by his mysterious powers of touch (and by being able to get off the island somehow) and letting these people get manipulated and killed by MIB. Why? Because their crazy mother said that humans are corrupt and they kill and destroy? We see in Season 6 MIB really doesn't care at all about anything but getting off the island, he couldn't care less about the nature of humans. So why "prove him wrong"? Because you are sitting on the island alone for 2000 years and have nothing better to do? I guess they tried to make this relevant by making humans lust for the Light, but it seemed to me most humans were just curious as to what it was and how it works, including the viewers. Not exactly a polarizing good or evil act. Okay, so in this season that conversation pretty much took a back seat to MIB getting off the island. Okay, I accepted that. Jacob shows up as an adult and a child who torments MIB. He even taunts MIB which turns him into Locke-mode of "Don't tell me what I can't do" (Which we can only assume is that MIB takes on some of the characteristics of the person whose physical form he takes). What is the point of all of the Jacobs?
In the premiere, adult Jacob pushes them to go to the Temple to heal Sayid. Jacob, why did you have to usher in the worst plot of the series? Seriously, what is the point of the Temple? Why would Jacob tell them to heal someone in a pool that is rendered inert by his death? Why revisit the Sickness at all, if you can just make an argument for love (Desmond to Sayid) to cure it? I don't know if I can rewatch the Temple episodes. Every character in the Temple is absolutely grating due to their smug cryptic dialogue. Even after the Temple our characters jump from camp to camp (Ilana's, Flocke's, Richard's, Widmore's). It seemed like they had a Point A (the Incident) and a Point B (the death of Flocke and the restoration of the Light) but they had to fill a whole season in between so they made the characters walk around the island while showing how manipulative MIB was.
I knew in Season 3 when we saw a cabin where Ben Linus was talking to a seemingly empty chair, that this was the point of no return. You had to have faith. They were going to write weird and seemingly illogical things for the sake of mystery. I made the choice, and I followed the show down the Rabbit Hole. Unfortunately, this decisive moment (the cabin) was never really explained. Nor were the other areas that were only accessible when they were convenient to the plot (cabin, lighthouse, light cave).Many people said that Season 6 was very Season 1: the smoke monster had prominence, along with the characters. Humanizing the smoke monster and making him want to get off the island was not what I had expected. A security system that scanned people made much more sense given its role in Season 1. Think Cerberus, as Radzinsky wrote on the Blast Door Map. Why kill the pilot? I know, it was just to provide intrigue and suspense. I don't really think that the island being a night-light of human goodness really fits with Season 1's mysteries.
The argument is made that the characters are LOST. I pretty much agree, it's characters + mystery. The end is said to give closure to all of the characters. But what about the other characters? Walt? And why did Christian tell Michael he could move on after the freighter only to have him be stuck on the island? Why are killers like Sayid and Ben in purgatory but not Michael? But in addition to the characters, the mystery is a large portion of the show. The writers loved peeling back the layers and making someone we thought of as the Man Behind the Curtain to be an Average Joe with little to no knowledge. Even Dharma (who we were led to believe in S2 had all of the answers) was clueless. I guess that's a commentary on life, ultimately we are all unsure of our paths and the endgame. But, even most religions have an origin story. Someone or something that started it all. Even science has an origin story in the Big Bang. I love the Egyptian references in LOST, and wish that Across the Sea showed either farther back in island history, or more than just the Jacob and MIB origin story. I really do love the characters, but the most central character in the story to me, is the Island. The Island, as a wise man once said, "a place where miracles happen."
I've enjoyed my time immensely on LOST-GAF and love you guys. I think it's this community and others like it, that really made this show special to me. Thanks!
During the season, like many others, I felt slightly annoyed by the flash sideways. The plots were meandering, slow, and involved versions of the characters that I had no connection to. Sure, they were almost identical to the characters I had grown to love or hate, but they were slightly different and in a different environment (read: timeline, or so I thought). It turned out that the flash sideways was a sort of purgatory, for the characters to reunite before moving on to the next step in the afterlife. I liked seeing the characters happy, rejoicing to be with their loved ones. The final image, while predictable was absolutely perfect. I love dogs, and I almost cried when Vincent returned to lie next to a dying Jack.
After all is said and done, Season 6 was one of the worst seasons. I have to say, an easy counterpoint to my ensuing arguments would be: "You had expectations for the end, and they went in a different direction with it." I enjoyed the ride immensely, and as a LOST fanatic, I enjoyed every minute of it. However, I can't help but be disappointed. Lets start with the events on the island. So we found at the end of Season 5 that our characters are in the middle of a conflict that spans millennia: between a light force (Jacob) and a dark force (MIB). Presumably, their Candidacy as chosen by Jacob brought the important Ajira 316 members back to 1977. Instead of resetting anything, they caused the very Incident that was referred to in prior seasons. The MIB exploited the time travel to long con Locke and kill Jacob. My biggest problem with this: How was MIB omniscient? How could know when the island (And Locke) will flash to? Because he's special? If he has such a communion with this Island of Goodness in People (TM) why would he want off so badly? Because he's inherently dark?
Also, we see in "the Incident" that Jacob is trying to continually prove to MIB that humans are inherently good. He does this by bringing people to the island by his mysterious powers of touch (and by being able to get off the island somehow) and letting these people get manipulated and killed by MIB. Why? Because their crazy mother said that humans are corrupt and they kill and destroy? We see in Season 6 MIB really doesn't care at all about anything but getting off the island, he couldn't care less about the nature of humans. So why "prove him wrong"? Because you are sitting on the island alone for 2000 years and have nothing better to do? I guess they tried to make this relevant by making humans lust for the Light, but it seemed to me most humans were just curious as to what it was and how it works, including the viewers. Not exactly a polarizing good or evil act. Okay, so in this season that conversation pretty much took a back seat to MIB getting off the island. Okay, I accepted that. Jacob shows up as an adult and a child who torments MIB. He even taunts MIB which turns him into Locke-mode of "Don't tell me what I can't do" (Which we can only assume is that MIB takes on some of the characteristics of the person whose physical form he takes). What is the point of all of the Jacobs?
In the premiere, adult Jacob pushes them to go to the Temple to heal Sayid. Jacob, why did you have to usher in the worst plot of the series? Seriously, what is the point of the Temple? Why would Jacob tell them to heal someone in a pool that is rendered inert by his death? Why revisit the Sickness at all, if you can just make an argument for love (Desmond to Sayid) to cure it? I don't know if I can rewatch the Temple episodes. Every character in the Temple is absolutely grating due to their smug cryptic dialogue. Even after the Temple our characters jump from camp to camp (Ilana's, Flocke's, Richard's, Widmore's). It seemed like they had a Point A (the Incident) and a Point B (the death of Flocke and the restoration of the Light) but they had to fill a whole season in between so they made the characters walk around the island while showing how manipulative MIB was.
I knew in Season 3 when we saw a cabin where Ben Linus was talking to a seemingly empty chair, that this was the point of no return. You had to have faith. They were going to write weird and seemingly illogical things for the sake of mystery. I made the choice, and I followed the show down the Rabbit Hole. Unfortunately, this decisive moment (the cabin) was never really explained. Nor were the other areas that were only accessible when they were convenient to the plot (cabin, lighthouse, light cave).Many people said that Season 6 was very Season 1: the smoke monster had prominence, along with the characters. Humanizing the smoke monster and making him want to get off the island was not what I had expected. A security system that scanned people made much more sense given its role in Season 1. Think Cerberus, as Radzinsky wrote on the Blast Door Map. Why kill the pilot? I know, it was just to provide intrigue and suspense. I don't really think that the island being a night-light of human goodness really fits with Season 1's mysteries.
The argument is made that the characters are LOST. I pretty much agree, it's characters + mystery. The end is said to give closure to all of the characters. But what about the other characters? Walt? And why did Christian tell Michael he could move on after the freighter only to have him be stuck on the island? Why are killers like Sayid and Ben in purgatory but not Michael? But in addition to the characters, the mystery is a large portion of the show. The writers loved peeling back the layers and making someone we thought of as the Man Behind the Curtain to be an Average Joe with little to no knowledge. Even Dharma (who we were led to believe in S2 had all of the answers) was clueless. I guess that's a commentary on life, ultimately we are all unsure of our paths and the endgame. But, even most religions have an origin story. Someone or something that started it all. Even science has an origin story in the Big Bang. I love the Egyptian references in LOST, and wish that Across the Sea showed either farther back in island history, or more than just the Jacob and MIB origin story. I really do love the characters, but the most central character in the story to me, is the Island. The Island, as a wise man once said, "a place where miracles happen."
I've enjoyed my time immensely on LOST-GAF and love you guys. I think it's this community and others like it, that really made this show special to me. Thanks!
HowardRoark said:
Because it's already happened for him.
MIB being able to exploit time travel isn't him being omniscient, it's him remembering what's already happened in the past.
The act of MIB leaving the island will kill everyone else. He has no regard for the lives of others and only uses them as tools when he needs something; he isn't going to sacrifice his freedom for people he doesn't care about.
Jacob brings people to the island to prove MIB that he's wrong about humanity, and that human life is something meant to be valued, not disregarded. It's essentially Jacob's way of trying to dissuade his brother from leaving.
Jacob has never died before, how was he to know what would happen? =P
You seem him checking out the pool water in "Lighthouse," which, to me, says he wasn't expecting the waters to turn dark.
The show seemed to heavily imply that only the protector of the island could find the cave, and lead others to it. Jack's line in "Lighthouse" about how they never saw the lighthouse before because they were never looking for it seems to imply that the lighthouse is the same deal: you can't find it unless Jacob leads you to it.
I agree that's kind of annoying, but at the same time, I can appreciate the fact that there are no all-knowing, all-powerful gods on this show; that everyone involved is still human, in some way or another.
Drealmcc0y
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I think Jacob also brought people to the island in the hope that they could finish MiB off for him aswell
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And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Yup. Fantastic post, HowardRoark. Pretty much every single point you brought up was spot-on. I often struggle to put my thoughts into words, but you nailed a great deal of those issues concerning S6.jett said:
BenjiZombie
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talisayNon said:
He pretty much nailed it. What a great show.
Drealmcc0y
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Apoc29 said:
I believe emotional leverage to make Jack do the surgery
JPBrowncoat
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Oh man, I'm watching a scene from when Sayid meets Danielle. He says the writing on the back of the photo Nadia gave him is: "You'll find me in the next life, if not in this one."
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