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[seady]

The people that weren't at the church could simply be that they have other more important parts of their life that are not related to the island's incident, or still stuck in another dimension where they are not able to let go or move on.

 

[Lion Heart]

I thought both Lost an Supernatural looked stupid, especially Supernatural. But the both turned out to be fantastic shows....Supernatural might even edge out Lost for me personally.

See, this is what I keep hearing. That makes me really giddy but I kinda feel like I'm "cheating" on Lost since it just ended :lol. I almost don't want it to be as good as Lost but after a few weeks I'm definitely watching it.

You know whats great for me personally, I haven't watched any webisodes so I still have that. Plus, I dont remember much of S2, early S3 so it will be like rewatching it for the first time. I think I missed 2 episodes in S2/3 when I was watching it online, couldn't find the streams anywhere for those particular eps. :lol

 

[Dartastic]

I'm wondering if there's a GIF of Jack kicking Locke's body off the cliff. LIKE A BOSS.

 

[LCfiner]

I'm kind of amazed that I'm even more impressed with the finale today than I was yesterday. The idea the sideways stuff was an exploration of coming to grips with the realities of your life as it was, not as you might have wished it was, is really quite profound to me.

I really didn't pick up on it until Nameless' post, but it just adds a whole new level to an already immensely satisfying finale.

And it also explains SO well why certain people weren't at the church. You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX. For people like Ana Lucia, Ben, Daniel, Charlotte, and Eloise, that is a much harder pill to swallow.

wait. hold up. Did Hurley realize he was worse off in alt timeline than real timeline? Was Locke more unhappy or even JUST as unhappy in alt timeline than in the real timeline?

I think most of the sideways flashes showed these people leading better lives in the alt universe than the real one. I don’t buy that there was a realization that their lives were “just as good” in the real world than in the alt timeline.

heck, we know their lives were shit in the real world since that’s why Jacob chose them to come to the island

 

[rooflapimp]

Well, I'm obviously half-joking, but yeah I am actually pretty upset with the ending to a show I really enjoyed.

What would be a satisfying ending for you then? I was actually surprised that the final episode was as good as it actually was, but I didn't really care to get answers, I just wanted to know what happened to all the characters that I've grown to love.

 

[gdt]

See, this is what I keep hearing. That makes me really giddy but I kinda feel like I'm "cheating" on Lost since it just ended :lol. I almost don't want it to be as good as Lost but after a few weeks I'm definitely watching it.

You know whats great for me personally, I haven't watched any webisodes so I still have that. Plus, I dont remember much of S2, early S3 so it will be like rewatching it for the first time. I think I missed 2 episodes in S2/3 when I was watching it online, couldn't find the streams anywhere for those particular eps. :lol

Supernatural isn't in any way as good as Lost. And I fucking adore Supernatural.

 

[Zen]

my post from the previous page :

Witmore giving Desmond a glimpse of the X time line completely unintentional? He was just running an experiment to see if Desmond could survive another huge dose of em. He was as surprised as anyone by Desmond's sudden personality shift after the experiment.

Witmore didn't know about the X timeline.

 

[JGS]

Category one is the glaring omission of any explanation for something incredibly important:

What was with the huge statue and/or the lighthouse?

They were places Jacob resided or used.

Category two is the show not playing by its own established rules:

Why couldn't Jack or Hurley use the same magical healing powers Jacob used to heal Jack?

Not sure I understand this one but Across the Sea made it pretty clear that each individual had a particular set of abilities. That's why it was irrelevant how crazymom killed the villagers. She could very well have had her own ability.

Jacob & MiB had differences.

Likewise, Jack had a particular set of abilities to get rid of Smokey and save the island. Hurley had the ability to take care of people which would help in the phase that did not involve a smoke monster running around.

 

[Madrin]

Why was Walt special? Well, why is anyone psychic? who the fuck cares:lol

That's exactly the problem, though. The writers set up a pattern for this show in which they introduce new mysteries and slowly let the answers trickle in. So, yeah, we have been led to expect answers to the questions surrounding the show, and admittedly we HAVE gotten a lot of those answers.

That's why the finale is a giant cop-out. Either there are things left unexplained or the explanations we are left with are disappointingly simplistic. "Why is the island so strange?" "It's just a strange island."

It's like if the writers threw in dinosaurs who roamed the island for no apparent reason. Everyone would be expecting an eventual answer to the question, "Why are there dinosaurs on the island?" But then the writers go, "I don't know. There are just dinosaurs on the island. What do you want?"

 

[The Gaming Gamer]

The only problem with the X timeline and purgatory explanation is you have to turn your brain off to accept it. It was like a bad horror movie twist. It just was not a clever explanation, this is why I prefer a lot of the other finales and episodes of lost over the finale.

 

[Zeliard]

What was with the huge statue

People always give themselves away as not having paid proper attention to the show.

The statue was built by Ancient Egyptians. It's a statue of Tawaret, the goddess of fertility. There are fertility problems on the island - the Egyptians likely built the statue as a form of worship to the gods, in an attempt to be able to procreate.

MIB and Jacob's mother gave them the ancient game of Senet - an Egyptian board game. How was she in possession of that game? She likely dealt with the Egyptians in the past, in BC. The island's story didn't begin with MIB and Jacob. The Egyptians drew Smokey with Anubis in hieroglyphics - this was the Mother, the previous smoke monster.

 

[Alucard]

and it all begins... again.

Given season 5 and the time travel aspect, that would have made more sense.

 

[Jacobi]

The only problem with the X timeline and purgatory explanation is you have to turn your brain off to accept it. It was like a bad horror movie twist. It just was not a clever explanation, this is why I prefer a lot of the other finales and episodes of lost over the finale.

So what sense does Jack's son even make? There was a whole episode revolving around him... And now he's just not real?

 

[ostrichKing]

wait. hold up. Did Hurley realize he was worse off in alt timeline than real timeline? Was Locke more unhappy or even JUST as unhappy in alt timeline than in the real timeline?

I think most of the sideways flashes showed these people leading better lives in the alt universe than the real one. I don’t buy that there was a realization that their lives were “just as good” in the real world than in the alt timeline.

heck, we know their lives were shit in the real world since that’s why Jacob chose them to come to the island

Exactly...I still have not heard an explanation of why the convoluted alt timeline was structured the way it was and why all the characters were happy to move on from that. Why the ridiculous wandering game throughout the season. If this was a place they constructed for them to all get together, why all the ridiculous drama that occurred in the X timeline. Why structure just like the real world but without the island influence (though to be honest, some of the changes have nothing to do with lack of island influence)? It just amazes me that everyone thinks the X timeline with its tidy contrived explanation actually makes sense at all.

 

[Nameless]

The only problem with the X timeline and purgatory explanation is you have to turn your brain off to accept it. It was like a bad horror movie twist. It just was not a clever explanation, this is why I prefer a lot of the other finales and episodes of lost over the finale.

That's because you're taking the purgatory theory too literally. Everything on LOST is about cause and effect. The "purgatory" is no different. Think about it. How/Why would electromagnetism send Desmond's consciousness to some arbitrary purgatory? It's all related to the events of the show.

 

[Roi]

Kate was really hot in that black dress, does anyone has a screenshot of that?

It's weird that after all the attention the makers put in the series, she is wearing a different dress inside the church then outside..

 

[MMaRsu]

Witmore giving Desmond a glimpse of the X time line completely unintentional? He was just running an experiment to see if Desmond could survive another huge dose of em. He was as surprised as anyone by Desmond's sudden personality shift after the experiment.

Witmore didn't know about the X timeline.

It's Widmore isn't it? And yeah that is certainly possible. So tell me exactly why was Desmond a fail safe for? If MIB would get off the Island then Des could have done something to reverse this situation? At that point when Widmore was talking about Des being a failsafe I was convinced it had something to do with the X timeline.

There is still stuff I don't understand. Didn't Widmore ask Des if he knew what he meant when he had a mission to do in Happily Ever After? Desmond said yes right away, so were they talking about uncorking the Island or about the X timeline?

These are things..

 

[Ferrio]

So did Jacob actually ever prove what he needed to prove to MIB? Or did he just say fuck it, he needs to die.

 

[LCfiner]

might as well throw this out there now.

back when jack told locke that he was going to kill him and it was going to be a surprise, I had a theory that it would happen during the surgery in the alt timeline.

that despond would do “something” either with the energy pocket in real life or with the alt losties and get jack and Locke to flash during the surgery and there would be a consciousness transfer with the MiB and alt Locke, thus allowing Jack to kill him.

the theory may have been stupid, sure, but that was the where I thought they were going since they tossed some hints in there.

specifically, the “I may/ will kill you” line being used in both timelines plus jack’s “see you on the other side” line.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The "faults" that the rational people are upset about aren't little tiny things that could be ignored as little continuity problems or niggling details.

For me, there are two kinds of "faults" that concern me and GREATLY undermine my enjoyment of the show because of this finale and how it concluded.

Category one is the glaring omission of any explanation for something incredibly important:

What was with the huge statue and/or the lighthouse?

I don't even see this as a big deal. Over thousands of years, civilizations crashed onto the island. It's a relic of this, just like the Dharma stuff is a relic of the 70's. The statue itself is of an Egyptian goddess known for "protection, birth and fertility."

Those themes sound familiar at all? Especially w/Jacob taking residence inside.

Category two is the show not playing by its own established rules:

Why couldn't Jack or Hurley use the same magical healing powers Jacob used to heal Jack?


Does that clear up the kinds of problems people aren't as willing to forget?

I forget--does Jacob heal/"gift" anyone other than Richard Alpert? And he does that for something in return. I don't think his healing is sort of a "touch and heal" kinda thing.

 

[afternoon delight]

I don't want to go through all these bitter tears to find the answer...so somebody help me out:

What was with the shoe in the tree?

Reference to the beginning and the luggage in the trees?

 

[Ceres]

I'm wondering if there's a GIF of Jack kicking Locke's body off the cliff. LIKE A BOSS.

there is. give me a moment.
NM, SpeedingUptoStop took care of it.

 

[BigFwoosh]

The easy answer is that she was like how Desmond became in the end - somehow, she was made privy of the existence of the sideways world. She had always known about it.

She didn't want Desmond to get involved because possibly because thought it would jeopardize her son's entrance to the afterlife.

My only problem with that is that it doesn't really explain how she knew what was up in Flashes Before Your Eyes. At least it doesn't to me.

 

[thekad]

So what sense does Jack's son even make? There was a whole episode revolving around him... And now he's just not real?

That episode was about Jack.

I noticed the thing with Kate's dress, too :lol Probably too obvious to be a mistake, though.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I finally watched it. While it will take a while to sink in the entirety of the finale, in short it was not what I expected at all, but not something I disliked either. I felt it was really emotional at times, and I'm surprised how it never really clicked as to what the sideways was until the very, very end. Then at that moment, it all made sense. It obviously wasn't a twist they stuck in there, but something they planned from the start of the season. It all made sense why they were living a better life, but still flawed.

The idea of the sideways being a purgatory they all had to live through after death to work out their own issues, and eventually meeting each other again to accept to let go is a pretty solid and acceptable plot direction for me. It didn't make reality any less real, or any of the deaths any weaker. We now know that life went on for those who survived. Hurley and Ben stayed on the island to protect it until they eventually died some way or another. Jack died after putting the light back. Everyone else got to leave the island including Desmond. And presumably Hurley didn't bring people to the island to make his job harder like Jacob did.

I'm pretty satisfied with the ending, mostly because it went for a really different direction and actually managed to surprise me without pissing me off. I love the characters in the show, and to see that the sideways ends as a sort of epilogue to their time in the world between, and seeing Jack finally get closure with his father, well that really means a lot. Jack getting closure with Christian is possibly the one most important thing to me in this finale. More important than any mythology question or mystery.

Thumbs up.

Ducky, you son of a bitch. C'MERE!!

I'm not exactly sure what is so confusing. The island is a place with magical powers. It holds the source of all life in the world as we know it, and is protected by a guy named Jacob. Jacob brings people who he personally feels are flawed, alone and have no place in the world to the island because he thinks that the island can help them. Most of these people end up dying because there's also a guy on the island who hates Jacob and wants to kill him and anyone he brings to the island. That's the backstory. It's not very important to the show overall.

The story of Lost is the story of one group of people who were brought to the island by Jacob. They are the survivors of 815. While on the island they befriend each other, and build a connection between each other. They find love, friendship, rivalry, etc among each other, and they go through thick and thin surviving the island. Eventually Jack takes up the role of Jacob, and dies in the process on restoring the light. Hurley takes over and makes Ben his assistant. Everyone else who survived escaped the island and continued with their lives.

The flash sideways is purgatory. At some point, everyone dies. When their live ends, they move on to another spiritual state. In that state they exist in a state of reliving their lives until they can learn to let go. If they don't let go, it's possible they can continue living in this existence for as long as it takes for them to be content. Because of the strong connection they all formed with one another while they were alive, it is in meeting one another again that forms their final step of moving on. The island was simply the most important and worthwhile part of all their lives. There are other characters who you notice did not get the same experience. Charlotte, Daniel, Ana Lucia, and so on are "not ready", because it is likely that the island is not the most important thing in their lives. They have other issues they need to work out before moving on, and there are more important people in their past lives than the main characters in the show.

Excellent, again Ducky. it's good to have ya back.

It also occurred to me this morning that the start of the season, when Jack wakes up on O815, takes place directly after Jack dies in The End. Awesome.

Also, loved how Ben was just conning MIB and truly had changed.

Jack's face at the end, not as only as he watches the last people he could save leave the island, but also as he sees his final journey beginning on the plane....it's beautiful thing.

"Get the fuck off my island."

Man, I feel bad for Lindelcuse right now. Not because they are getting ripped on by critics because the episode sucked, but because they are getting ripped on by critics who completely misunderstood the finale and twisted its meaning into something that would have sucked.

It's mindblowing how much fucking stupidity the average critic has. It does not matter to me whether a person likes or doesn't like this finale, but jesus christ, it was not hard to understand if you took 5 minutes to think about it.

I also want to say, what is the deal with people who need to validate their opinion by saying everyone else is delusional? This is for anyone who says something to the effect of "wait a couple days, you'll all see!"; How about you just keep the delusion that anyone really cares what you think to yourself? I am not going to make any attempt to tell people what to think about the ending. I'll help them understand what happened, but the ending was so perfect IMO because it leaves the ultimate objective view of the ending up to the actual viewer and the viewer alone. I'm not concerned with reading reviews and friends didn't like it, too bad. It is of no concern to me. I know what I feel and that is all there needs to be.

Kate's "Ive missed you so much" goes straight to my heart. Goddamnit, the writers actually went and made me love Kate this season. And she KILLED MIB. Jesus!

Yea, she went straight John McClane on MiB. After first, I thought it was dumb she was trying to kill the smoke monster with bullets, but she didn't really know to begin with, and it foreshadowed her saving Jack, which is kind of unheard of.

I assume what is beyond the veil is also beyond limits of time and space so... all the dead arrived simultaneously despite dying at different times.

Basically....god damn.

This reminds me: one of my favorite scenes last night was MIB giving Jack shit about remember the hatch and old times and shit, and Jack's empassioned defense of Locke. "You aren't John Locke. You disgrace is memory by wearing his face". Goddamn, Jack, I could hug you.

God damnit, I just gotta post this again:

Im so happy that the final Locke we saw wasnt MIB, wasnt Locke X (who as it turns out, doesnt exist), and wasnt any other permutation. That was straight old Locke. Him forgiving Ben for murdering him was incredibly touching for both characters. You're all heart, John.

Locke: "Ben....what did I have?"
:________________[

So who did Hugo and Ben lead exactly? Were there still other people left on the island or did they actually keep bringing people to the island?

IIRC, there were still some Others scattered about after the mortar attack. I assume they helped them find a way home or a peace with their lives. Because that's how Boss Hurley and Jr. Boss Ben get shit done in my mind.

I just typed up my thoughts on the finale itself and wanted to post it.
Some of it is a rehash of what I posted before I suppose, some of it has already been discussed, but just wanted to collect it in one place for myself.

Sorry it's so long.


The basic narrative of LOST as I see it:

At it's core, LOST is about a plane full of strangers who crash on a strange island (strangers in a strange land). Everything that is important to the narrative of LOST is seen through the eyes of these individuals. The setting of LOST is very important, but essentially it is a small snapshot in the whole timeline of this special island. The show was never about the creation or resolution of the island or its mystery, it was about a plane full of people who crash on this island and their reasons for being there. We saw their lives before the crash, during their stay, and the ultimate resolution of their very souls. To me, that's was really powerful and ultimately what moved me the most during the finale.

The Bilateral Ending:

In my eyes, there were two separate parts to the finale: one to satisfy the 'men of science,' and one to satiate the 'men of faith."

Plot Ending (science):

From a narrative perspective, the part of the overall mythology of LOST that pertains to our characters begins when a random pregnant woman is shipwrecked and by coincidence finds herself on our Island in 23 A.D. This is neither the beginning nor the end of the Island story, but it starts the events that are part of our journey. This women is ultimately murdered by a mysterious, very lonely woman who kidnaps and raises her two children. This confused and tormented women we later learn is a Guardian (someone who has been tasked with protecting the sanctity of this special place). Through a series of unfortunate events (that mainly was due to desperation and loneliness of our Guardian friend) one of these brothers is burden with the guilt of killing the other and by violating sacred oaths, brought into being the physical manifestation of the darkness in man - giving bodily form to the corruption inside who he murdered - and his desire to undue what he could potentially unleash to the rest of humanity. This takes place 2000 years ago and ultimately Jacob realizes his brother (Man in Black) will find a way off this island by removing him as a Guardian, and comes up with an elaborate job testing program to bring Candidates to the island who can replace him.

Our story ends rather simply, by Jack Shepard electing (very importantly, since Jacob himself was never given any choice - thus he created all these rules to maintain his Candidates free will) of taking up the reins of Guardian and finally killing the Man in Black. Desmond was needed here since he had the unique ability to withstand large amounts of electromagnetic energy, i.e. the physical source of the 'special qualities' of this Island - he was the only one who could remove the cork to seal up MiB's Smokey powers). This was his ultimate destiny and he gave his life to do it, and thus he died after fulfillment of his task. Hurley was given Guardian duty, and he elected Ben to be his "Richard" - so the two of them lived untold years together protecting the island. Kate and Claire and Sawyer with a handful of other people escaped on the downed Ajira plane and lived out the remainder of their lives in 2007 and onward. That's the end of LOST.

Spiritual Ending (faith):

There was never any parallel universe or timeline ... the bomb never worked, and as Jack said, "he's been wrong before." This was part of something the Losties faced constantly - they were mistaking coincidence and fate, and so were the audience. Anyway, The 'flash sideways' name is a red herring - what we were really watching was a form of purgatory where the souls of all who went on this Island journey in life gathered after their ultimate deaths. Here these special individuals were rewarded in death, as they got to spend some time together before their souls were ready to 'move on.' It was really touching. Michael wasnt there since he hasnt forgiven himself (or been forgiven for) for the murders he committed, he was still trapped on the island, helping out others in the form of ghostly whispers etc. While Ben is now aware he is actually dead, he hasn't finished atoning and wasnt ready for the afterlife either - he was content spending more time inside this purgatory, waiting till he was cleansed enough "being good" to complete his soul's journey. Same with the other characters such as Ana Lucia (as Desmond said, she "isn't ready yet"). That story was resolution for the 'men of faith' out there, but had no bearing on the actual story itself.

I can see people being disappointed since the flash sideways had nothing to do with the show narrative - the real resolution was Jack's sacrifice, a few people making it home alive, and Hurley ultimately inheriting the duties of Guardian ( to something we wont ever fully understand ) but the "flash sideways" gave us beautiful, spiritual resolution. They've been stuck in this place between worlds for who knows how many life cycles, till Desmond was able awaken them to accept their deaths and become aware of, as Christian said, the 'single most important thing in their lives' - the acceptance of what their fate was. They were then given peace and closure so they can move on.

I think this works brilliantly since, as they said all along: Everything on the island, happened. That was the factual events of Lost. The sideways was simply the close of our character's karmic cycle, and some people are not yet ready for resolution (Another example, Eloise Hawkings obviously was the first of all of them 'awakened' first when she saw her grownup son and having not killed him - asking Desmond not to end it for Faraday), but I loved it.

But... What about THE ANSWERS?!:

There are lots of 'mythology' stuff you can dissect if you put enough thought/discussion into it - The Others, Dharma, the Egyptians, etc - and there are lots of "expanded universe" stuff made specifically for the Internet - such as the Valenzetti Equation videos about what The Numbers are - but ultimately these things weren't seen by or important to the eyes of our characters in our initial plane crash, so wasn't touched on in the ending itself. I can see some disappointed here myself, but I think a lot of that would have been out of place given what the finale focused on.

Rambling now so will stop, but I'll miss ya LOST

You truly deserve a new tag. Truly.

It was an Oceanic bottle. Bringing things back to the pilot.

Yea, it was the one Ben found in Dr. Linus, right? Sweet stuff.

One thing the ending does is actually make the sideways even less meaningful. Until they 'wake up', those characters are truly meaningless.

I don't see it like that. In the X world, they resolve their character issues. Waking them up blends the two characters into one and thus brings them to the final conclusion of their souls.

Well, clearly a character returning from the dead is considered character development rather than some type of mystery.

Like a guy regaining the use of his legs?

Exactly. If you have any experience in writing fiction or have seen better programming, you can only come to this conclusion. If Lost were put in book form, it would be gibberish as far as plotpoints introduced and then forfeited or given an explanation that was all too convenient.

:lol :lol :lol Yes, If I had seen better programming, I could come to a better conclusion. Sure. Should I rewatch The Wire again? Or what?:lol I'd seriously would love to see your reaction to a Haruki Murakami novel. The amount of "unanswered stuff" would blow your mind and then you'd be telling the critics who praise him that if it were put into a TV show, it would've been gibberish.:lol Seriously man, you can let it go. You don't need to validate your opinion by telling everyone they're less refined than you.

Live Alone, Die Together. Agreed with another dude, I wouldn't mind have this framed.

"hey Desmond, I know you could do this and survive easily, but I think i need to do this. I was MEANT TO DO THIS."

"wait, brothah.. oh, well okay. You're pretty persuasive."

"See you in another lifetime."

Gaf - OMG, OMG brilliant!

normal human being - but that doesn't make any sense...

GAF -SHUT UP.

it's really kind of sad that you can't comprehend that Desmond kind of got his ass wooped by stepping into an incredible amount of energy that would destroy a normal human. It's not really hard to understand that at all. But please, continue to believe your opinion is valid because the people who enjoyed it are dumber than you. :lol Clearly, this post proved you were the smart one all along.

Yep, telling the truth will sound something like this:

:lol :lol It's amazing how much of that actual story you have to leave out for you to end up getting this out of the story.

They also formed the sideways as an opportunity to get over any final, lingering issues that they couldn't on the island. That was their final task before finally moving on and achieving final enlightenment.

• Jack gives himself a son in the sideways, so that he could be the father he was never able to be, as well as the father that he never had in his own life.

• Jin and Sun are able to experience the pending birth of their child together, an opportunity that was taken from them in the real world.

• Sawyer is still angry in the sideways, but he's a cop and he doesn't pursue the other Sawyer with the same unrelenting rage and vigor, killing innocent people in he process. He ultimately learned to fully let go with the help of Miles, Kate and Juliet.

• Hurley no longer carries around bad luck in the sideways. It's the direct opposite. He's able to live a life where he purely helps people, with nothing getting in the way, which is what he always wanted.

• John Locke is miraculously fixed by Jack and is able to walk - this repairs and greatly strengthens both his own resolve and his relationship with Jack. This does the same for Jack himself. The two old rivals find peace in each other.

• Ben is forgiven by Locke, who he had killed. Locke was already at peace. Ben finds peace.

• Charlie finally got over his heroin addiction and found peace with Claire.

• Sayid ultimately realized that Nadia was not the right person for him. She belonged to another. Shannon, who he met on the island, was.

And so on.

GOD DAMNIT, YES!

I'm kind of amazed that I'm even more impressed with the finale today than I was yesterday. The idea the sideways stuff was an exploration of coming to grips with the realities of your life as it was, not as you might have wished it was, is really quite profound to me.

I really didn't pick up on it until Nameless' post, but it just adds a whole new level to an already immensely satisfying finale.

And it also explains SO well why certain people weren't at the church. You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX. For people like Ana Lucia, Ben, Daniel, Charlotte, and Eloise, that is a much harder pill to swallow.

God damnit, YES!

 

[MMaRsu]

People always give themselves away as not having paid proper attention to the show.

The statue was built by Ancient Egyptians. It's a statue of Tawaret, the goddess of fertility. There are fertility problems on the island - the Egyptians likely built the statue as a form of worship to the gods, in an attempt to be able to procreate.

MIB and Jacob's mother gave them the ancient game of Senet - an Egyptian board game. How was she in possession of that game? She likely dealt with the Egyptians in the past, in BC. The island's story didn't begin with MIB and Jacob. The Egyptians drew Smokey with Anubis in hieroglyphics - this was the Mother, the previous smoke monster.

I thought the fertility problems didn't start till after the Incident?

 

[Salsa]

Oh i forgot. I didnt liked kate shooting locke and "i saved you a bullet" rambo thing out of nowhere, fuck that, she`s still a sucky character in my book.

 

[Alucard]

"Live together or die alone" also takes on new significance after the finale. I would love a poster of Jack in the jungle, or just his face, with that line written on it.

 

[cyclonekruse]

That episode was about Jack.

I noticed the thing with Kate's dress, too :lol Probably too obvious to be a mistake, though.

She had just gotten birthed on in the one dress...probably needed to changed clothes.

 

[JGS]

wait. hold up. Did Hurley realize he was worse off in alt timeline than real timeline? Was Locke more unhappy or even JUST as unhappy in alt timeline than in the real timeline?

I think most of the sideways flashes showed these people leading better lives in the alt universe than the real one. I don’t buy that there was a realization that their lives were “just as good” in the real world than in the alt timeline.

heck, we know their lives were shit in the real world since that’s why Jacob chose them to come to the island

The alternate timeline was not a case of better or worse imo. It had to do with what circumstances would allow them to get it. Some of the circumstances were good and others were bad.

 

[sykoex]

So did Jacob actually ever prove what he needed to prove to MIB? Or did he just say fuck it, he needs to die.

I think Jacob finding a replacement and putting an end to the Monster was him proving his point to MIB.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

My problem is in the X timeline...most of the characters didn't come to terms with anything...they saw a flash of their other life... And furthermore, to follow your theory, how was Locke able to walk and having the wife of his dreams in the X timeline not better than the result of his past life (him getting strangled by Ben and dying broken and alone?) I still think his life in the X timeline was better than on the island...

It's not that it wasn't better, it wasn't his life. He had to come to grips with that.

"You don't have a son, Jack."

 

[BigFwoosh]

Reference to the beginning and the luggage in the trees?

Pretty close. From the pilot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96iG2lwam4#t=02m00s

 

[KevinCow]

I think the only copout answer was MiB's name. He just doesn't have one? Really? After going out of your way to hide it from us for a whole season... he just doesn't have one? It just seemed like a really pointless mystery.

 

[Plumbob]

So what sense does Jack's son even make? There was a whole episode revolving around him... And now he's just not real?

Exactly what I'm thinking. Like, the point of that episode was to show that Jack loved him etc. :lol whoops, guess you were a mistake, kiddo

 

[VALIS]

I thought both Lost an Supernatural looked stupid, especially Supernatural. But the both turned out to be fantastic shows....Supernatural might even edge out Lost for me personally.

Does Supernatural focus more on its mysteries, or, like Lost, is it more, um, *cough* "character driven?" 'Cuz I'm feeling some TV show mythology blue balls after Lost's finale.

 

[JGS]

I thought the fertility problems didn't start till after the Incident?

In fact, getting pregnant should have been a breeze prior to the incident considering quadruple sperm count.

They had it so good they erected a statue to say thanks!

 

[DietRob]

I am an avid lurker in Lost-GAF I try to read every post in these threads.

To preface I love LOST and have watched and rewatched almost every episode, I pop my head in these threads to see what the discussion is and to me the discussion is much of what makes LOST the great show that it is. I don't think LOST would ever have been as engaging if it were merely a show that we watch for face value. To that end I want to give a big shout out to Benjamin, Solo, Brandon, and the many many others that have been an active part of the discussions that I have enjoyed reading so much.

I'll admit I must have some downed braincells because I'm one of the people that just didn't fully 'get it'. This thread is gigantically large and I'm sure a redux of the intentions of the finale have been posted, I can't seem to find any in this large thread.

I feel like a need an enhanced perspective. Benjamin, Solo, or someone with a few more braincells left than I have, would you mind giving me a redux of what this finale meant you you, the avid losties? Or just link me to the posts that you have already done this in.

Thanks and much love LOST-GAF, this series would have never been as good for me without you guys.

 

[ostrichKing]

:lol :lol :lol Yes, If I had seen better programming, I could come to a better conclusion. Sure. Should I rewatch The Wire again? Or what?:lol I'd seriously would love to see your reaction to a Haruki Murakami novel. The amount of "unanswered stuff" would blow your mind and then you'd be telling the critics who praise him that if it were put into a TV show, it would've been gibberish.:lol Seriously man, you can let it go. You don't need to validate your opinion by telling everyone they're less refined than you.

I love Murakami's novels...one of my favorite authors in fact. I hated the last 5 minutes of this finale though...

 

[Dead]

Still basking in the afterglow of how amazing the finale was.

Without a doubt, the single best episode of LOST.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

wait. hold up. Did Hurley realize he was worse off in alt timeline than real timeline? Was Locke more unhappy or even JUST as unhappy in alt timeline than in the real timeline?

I think most of the sideways flashes showed these people leading better lives in the alt universe than the real one. I don’t buy that there was a realization that their lives were “just as good” in the real world than in the alt timeline.

heck, we know their lives were shit in the real world since that’s why Jacob chose them to come to the island

No, no. They had to realize that their lives were their lives and that even though a tremendous amount of shit happened, it was what they got.

 

[Zoe]

In What They Died For, when he visited Alex and her mother. She mentioned that he was the closest thing to a father Alex had ever had, and he started crying. It didn't show us the flashes like with everyone else, but it's pretty clear that's where he remembered.

He got the flash when Desmond was beating him up.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I forget--does Jacob heal/"gift" anyone other than Richard Alpert? And he does that for something in return. I don't think his healing is sort of a "touch and heal" kinda thing.

Didn't Jacob cure Juliet's sister's cancer?

 

[Mr Cola]

Without exaggeration it was my favorite episode of the series. Others shared the same sentiments as well. I thought how everything came together was perfect. The music was amazing, the acting brilliant and the ending beautiful & poetic. From the very first scene it grabbed me and 20 some odd hours later it still hasn't let go. Looking forward to watching it again tonight. LOST at it's very best.

It's unfortunate how there seems to be a large group of people online and in the press who didn't get the ending but every second resonated with me. Couldn't have possibly asked for a better ending to my favorite television show of all-time. They exceeded my expectation which I didn't really think was possible.

100% this, i got it, i was taken in, it was perfect, thank god

 

[Ceres]

He got the flash when Desmond was beating him up.

The most fitting point for Linus to have a flash. :lol

 

[LCfiner]

The alternate timeline was not a case of better or worse imo. It had to do with what circumstances would allow them to get it. Some of the circumstances were good and others were bad.

this I can agree with. BB’s interpretation is still a little too “neat” in my mind. that they had to realize things weren’t so bad with the island around.

 

[Alucard]

I think the only copout answer was MiB's name. He just doesn't have one? Really? After going out of your way to hide it from us for a whole season... he just doesn't have one? It just seemed like a really pointless mystery.

Not a copout really.

Also, there was an interview link many pages back where it was revealed that MiB's name was Samuel. (That's how they wrote him in the script, but just decided to keep him more mysterious without stating his name explicitly)

 

[Plywood]

I think the only copout answer was MiB's name. He just doesn't have one? Really? After going out of your way to hide it from us for a whole season... he just doesn't have one? It just seemed like a really pointless mystery.

People probably would've come up with a billion different reasons as to why he has that name. It was better for him to not have a name. And if you want one, call him Esau.

edit: Apparently his name was Samuel.

 

[Mifune]

I think if I were to make a list of my 10 favorite moments from LOST, I'd find that every single one of them gains new resonance in light of The End. Because really the show was ABOUT these moments. The destination really didn't matter (well it did cosmically) but the interactions these characters had, their moment-to-moment experience on the island, were crucial.

Ultimately LOST abandoned its genre trappings to reach for genuine art. And I think it succeeded.

What meaning does anything have if at the end of it all you're lying in the ground? The only meaning we can take from our short existence is the relationships we forged and that which we give to each other. And the beauty of this show is that the characters' ultimate reward was to fully UNDERSTAND what their time together really did mean.

It's beautiful. I didn't cry while watching it, but thinking about it gets me a bit emotional. That's good fucking TV.

 

[sevenchaos]

I think people will look back on it and say, "HOLY CRAP REMEMBER LOST WHERE IT TURNED OUT THEY WERE ALL DEAD, I TOTALLY GUESSED THAT IN THE FIRST SEASON" because they are dumb.

I talked to my dad about the finale this morning, and he's convinced that they were dead the whole time and the island reality was just a way for them to access the X world. So apparently people die so they can get tested so they can die again and get tested again and then finally move on to the next level of afterlife.

My mom reacted the same way. Spent a good chunk of last night trying to explain the storyline to her and even today she still doesn't get it. I thought overall Lost was a very easy show to follow. Yes there were a lot of dead ends and questions but the story as a whole wasn't really ever confusing and yet so many people find it to be.