LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Theres a duality in it. In one way it fulfills the wish of the Losties to have a life without that god-foresaken Island (perhaps a gift from Jacob or Hurley or of their own desire). And in another way it lets those who had their deaths before going full circle complete the circle. They are allowed to make up for the mistakes they made in their former life and therefore let go of that life and move on to the next stage of life.kinoki said:
3 more nuggets that my brain shook out this afternoon:
- Kate, Sawyer, Claire and Hurley - those four plus Walt comprise the 5 living Losties of the original 14. Boone? Dead S1. Shannon? Dead S2. Charlie? Dead S3. Michael? Dead S4. Locke? Dead S5. Sayid? Dead S6. Sun? Dead S6. Jin? Dead S6. Jack? Dead S6.
- the last line of LOST belongs to John Locke: "we've been waiting for you"
- when Ben killed Jacob, MIB kicked him into the fire; when Kate killed MIB, Jack kicked him into the water
- Kate, Sawyer, Claire and Hurley - those four plus Walt comprise the 5 living Losties of the original 14. Boone? Dead S1. Shannon? Dead S2. Charlie? Dead S3. Michael? Dead S4. Locke? Dead S5. Sayid? Dead S6. Sun? Dead S6. Jin? Dead S6. Jack? Dead S6.
- the last line of LOST belongs to John Locke: "we've been waiting for you"
- when Ben killed Jacob, MIB kicked him into the fire; when Kate killed MIB, Jack kicked him into the water
VALIS said:
I'm not gonna argue with you. It didn't work for you, that's cool.
Part of the reason it worked so well for me is that, like I said, my favorite parts of the show WERE the character bits and redemption and whatnot. So in a way, this finale justified my choice of things to love about the series.
I can't speak for how well it worked for everyone else.
Terrible.
I watched the Ashes to Ashes finale on Friday, and it did what Lost tried to do and was successful on every level where Lost wasn't.
If you look at A2A, the series introduced a limited number of elements - most of them this series except for the time travel, brought them up repeatedly to remind the viewer of them, and pretty clearly (for the most part) explained what they were and why there were there.
This is structured, well thought out writing.
Lost threw the kitchen sink in, introduced elements that they had no idea what they meant or how they would be solved, left a bunch hanging and introduced elements in the last ten minutes that had nothing to do with the rest of the show that had been built up so far.
It was piss-poor, ill thought out writing.
I wasn't happy with the evangelical nature of either, but A2A at least seems to have had a semblance of a plan that actually was thought out before hand and made sense.
The only finale I can think of that was worse, was BSG's.
This is take from another forum I read...
"The finale didn't answer (or even hint at an answer) to a single question about the island, its origins, its function, the "light", Jacob, Jacob's mother, Jacob's magic powers, etc, etc. The only mystery it did resolve definitively was the "what the heck is this alternate reality" question - something that was only introduced this season.
In other words, instead of addressing the central mysteries that have driven the show since the beginning, the writers conjured up a brand new mystery at the beginning of this season, and then used the *series* finale to resolve only that new mystery. And the resolution to that mystery - that this group had such fun times on the island that they decided to share a slice of afterlife together - is utterly unconnected to any other mystery that has ever been raised in the show. How anyone could watch this and conclude the writers totally had this planned out from the start is beyond me - there's nothing in the finale that would support that interpretation.
Seriously, if you think about it, this "they had such fun together they decided to meet up again after they all died" device could be used as a feel-good tear-jerker ending to *any* ensemble show. It's really a totally meaningless cop-out ending."
I watched the Ashes to Ashes finale on Friday, and it did what Lost tried to do and was successful on every level where Lost wasn't.
If you look at A2A, the series introduced a limited number of elements - most of them this series except for the time travel, brought them up repeatedly to remind the viewer of them, and pretty clearly (for the most part) explained what they were and why there were there.
This is structured, well thought out writing.
Lost threw the kitchen sink in, introduced elements that they had no idea what they meant or how they would be solved, left a bunch hanging and introduced elements in the last ten minutes that had nothing to do with the rest of the show that had been built up so far.
It was piss-poor, ill thought out writing.
I wasn't happy with the evangelical nature of either, but A2A at least seems to have had a semblance of a plan that actually was thought out before hand and made sense.
The only finale I can think of that was worse, was BSG's.
This is take from another forum I read...
"The finale didn't answer (or even hint at an answer) to a single question about the island, its origins, its function, the "light", Jacob, Jacob's mother, Jacob's magic powers, etc, etc. The only mystery it did resolve definitively was the "what the heck is this alternate reality" question - something that was only introduced this season.
In other words, instead of addressing the central mysteries that have driven the show since the beginning, the writers conjured up a brand new mystery at the beginning of this season, and then used the *series* finale to resolve only that new mystery. And the resolution to that mystery - that this group had such fun times on the island that they decided to share a slice of afterlife together - is utterly unconnected to any other mystery that has ever been raised in the show. How anyone could watch this and conclude the writers totally had this planned out from the start is beyond me - there's nothing in the finale that would support that interpretation.
Seriously, if you think about it, this "they had such fun together they decided to meet up again after they all died" device could be used as a feel-good tear-jerker ending to *any* ensemble show. It's really a totally meaningless cop-out ending."
BenjaminBirdie
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Madrin said:
Keep in mind, if the plane never crashed, NOTHING else happened in '77, which means Juliet potentially never went to the island since Ben never became an Other. Jack could have met Juliet organically and, yes, had a kid.
brandonh83
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Wow so
it really was a cork. Boy, Jacob really doesn't fuck around.
it really was a cork. Boy, Jacob really doesn't fuck around.
VistraNorrez said:
Im fine with No Smokey in purgatory - now that we know that it was purgatory.
I just feel that alt timeline as NOT being purgatory and requiring a connection between these two timelines to contain smokey in the two universes was something that I consider more interesting.
making it purgatory and making them all dead is almost as bad as a reset button being pushed (imo, of course)
neoism
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Been thinking about this a fucking day.... not much can be said... ( 30 pages) 
. I'm soo happy I'm on the side of fans that were blown away by this episode. I just can't believe, how much better it is than every other episode in the history of the show, everything. This episode was soo good, I don't wait to ever see it again. I'm also going to give this series a nice "rest" maybe even 2 years or more... I want it to become a fainted memory.... I thought about that all day, it only ended once for me, and it was the greatest end to anything I've ever seen.... The level of emotion I had throughout the episode I don't think I'll ever have again, with entertainment... goes back to reading 30 pages lol
. I'm soo happy I'm on the side of fans that were blown away by this episode. I just can't believe, how much better it is than every other episode in the history of the show, everything. This episode was soo good, I don't wait to ever see it again. I'm also going to give this series a nice "rest" maybe even 2 years or more... I want it to become a fainted memory.... I thought about that all day, it only ended once for me, and it was the greatest end to anything I've ever seen.... The level of emotion I had throughout the episode I don't think I'll ever have again, with entertainment... goes back to reading 30 pages lolNafai1123 said:Six Feet Under finale >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernatural season finale > Lost finale
Anyone think that maybe the "transferring" of power from Jacob to Jack to Hurley could be complete bullshit? I mean, Jack doesn't actually use any powers, nor does he heal after the cork is put back in (even if he gave power to Hurley, saying "now you're like me" implies that he should still have powers). Then there's the fact that Hurley shows up in the end with the rest of 815, which shows that either he isn't immortal, or he was killed by someone on the island, in which case the island is still in danger of being destroyed.
I can understand why Jacob had powers (born on the island, pure in heart/spirit) but I think the whole "successor" thing was more about leaving a protector behind rather than actually bestowing powers upon them.
Jacob giving Jack his powers wouldn't make him immortal, because he wasn't immortal himself. He got killed with a dagger by a regular person.
Hurley died, sure... eventually. He and Ben probably stayed on the island for a while. Doesn't matter how long though, because time doesn't matter in the X world. We'll probably never know the circumstances of their deaths (unless ABC licenses out Lost for shitty expanded universe novels... which would suck), so whether the island was still in danger in the future is a mystery. I like to think that the island saw a few hundred years of peace under their protection, and they eventually just decided that they were ready to move on and be with their friends.
If Sayid tried to stay with Nadia in the Alt, then he couldn't "move on" from his purgatory. Shannon was the one he shared his time on the island with and the one who could help him remember that. It'd be like Jack clinging to his father/son relationship with David instead of letting go.Discotheque said:
MMaRsu
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LCfiner said:
This was pretty much the only way to bring back most of the supporting cast who have died, so I understand why they went in this direction. But yes I certainly agree that two universes with Smokey trying to fuck some shit up in either one would have been more awesome
.BenjaminBirdie
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Solo said:
:lol
Mile High Club.
Yeah all of the "connections" going on in the alt timeline makes it seem highly unlikely that was a world they created without the influence of Jacob. Jacob being able to draw people together is one thing.. them being randomly drawn together without some sort of "divine" influence seems a stretch.
I think it was just an afterlife thing and not some bubble world that they went to after they died without Jacob or whatever.
I think it was just an afterlife thing and not some bubble world that they went to after they died without Jacob or whatever.
Aesius
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KevinCow said:
It's because they wanted to call him Locke.
Seriously. His name can't be "Samuel" because a person walking around disguised as John Locke can't be named Samuel. He has to be named John Locke.
It's stupid as fuck, but it makes sense from a writing/television perspective.
Anton Sugar
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Did anyone ever think that Sayid's "dead woman" he was promised by MiB wasn't ever Nadia, but Shannon? Nadia was never really "his", either in the x-verse or the real timeline.
Also, re-posting:
David=Jack
Jack=Christian
It was crucial to him understanding what it is like to be a parent, and understanding his own father by having an estranged son. Pretty important to his overall character development, don't you think?
Also, re-posting:
Jacobi said:
David=Jack
Jack=Christian
It was crucial to him understanding what it is like to be a parent, and understanding his own father by having an estranged son. Pretty important to his overall character development, don't you think?
We had a Lost day today, coming together with 12 people who watched lost every week (downloading it the day after it was available). First we had a bbq with a lost quiz, afterwards we watched the finale on a big screen with HD projector and to end the day we had lost-cake and an endless discussion about the EP and the show in general.
Great day, will be remembered, thank you lost!
Great day, will be remembered, thank you lost!
Drealmcc0y
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Solo said:
Not cool man. Not cool
BenjaminBirdie
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FFFUUUUUUUU
The took down Season 6 on ABC and HULU.
I WANNA WATCH LA X GAHDAMMIT
The took down Season 6 on ABC and HULU.
I WANNA WATCH LA X GAHDAMMIT
They will. The extra DVD stuff is solely for answering stuffMMaRsu said:At least we get the extra 30 minutes of footage on the dvd. Hope there are some answers there.
Walt will 100% be in it as he was seen shooting scenes around the same time of the finale. So those scenes are probably for the DVD
Also, sign me up for hoping that the X timeline was something where Desmond was building an army to fight smoke monster. I really thought they were going for a Drawing of the Three type of thing with the alternate army crossing over.. or doing something in their timeline to help the people on the island kill the smoke monster.
I never worked out how that would have happened, but I would have been much much happier with that. With it being the way it is.. it just seems like it was completely pointless. Just give us the church scene at the end.. don't waste nearly half the season on an alt timeline that ultimitely was pointless other than giving everyone a bunch of reunion scenes.
There was even a theory that stuff they did was going to affect the island timeline.. like Jack performing surgery on Locke would be the cause of his being able to "walk".. someone bringing Sayid back from a coma being what brought him back on the island, etc. Not perfect either, but could have been interesting. At least more interesting than Lost-heaven was.
I never worked out how that would have happened, but I would have been much much happier with that. With it being the way it is.. it just seems like it was completely pointless. Just give us the church scene at the end.. don't waste nearly half the season on an alt timeline that ultimitely was pointless other than giving everyone a bunch of reunion scenes.
There was even a theory that stuff they did was going to affect the island timeline.. like Jack performing surgery on Locke would be the cause of his being able to "walk".. someone bringing Sayid back from a coma being what brought him back on the island, etc. Not perfect either, but could have been interesting. At least more interesting than Lost-heaven was.
UltimaPooh said:
Umm unfortunately the whole purgatory X-world thing was not one of those mysteries left wide open and in fact was pretty much spelled out for the audience ... so trying to fit another theory to it fails badly. You can't just ignore X-world scenes at your chosing to fit your theory :lol
And furthermore just cause we're calling it purgatory doesn't mean it's the same thing as the religious definition. For all we know "moving on" could involve being reborn into BSG characters.
They "moved on" to a different level of existence...that doesn't have to mean anything religious (insert the omg but it was a church!). I like to think they ascended a la Stargate science and now go on to battle Anubis.
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Do tel, please. I haven't read.Mifune said:
And where is chipopo and his earth-shattering theory??!
Aesius said:
I am fine if they never called him anything.. but him actually not having a name as a story point (mother didn't name him, no one ever called him anything) was a bit much.
Just have him not called by his name and not bring it up.. don't try and shoehorn in a reason why he doesn't have a name.
Discotheque said:
While I question Shannon being the one to jog his memory, Nadia doesn't fit in with the group. She had no role on the island or with any characters outside of Sayid and that all occurred while he was off-island. Penny is the only non-island character because she was central to a lot of things including being the key to freeing Desmond when his mind was jumping.
Blader5489 said:
You'll find my semen soaked gushing in post #3362 :lol
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396084&page=68
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Lard said:
I agree...here is a quote from the co-creator of A2A of why I think that ending worked for me and this one didn't even though thematically they were very similar:
"The thing is that you should be able to guess. When you get to the end, you should be able to say oh yes'. It's not an out-of-nowhere thing, because I think that would be a cheat."
brandonh83
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oh my god
my fucking face is WET
HOLY SHIT
my fucking face is WET
HOLY SHIT
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