LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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thought it was, well just as i expected.
im not gonna bash it because it didnt answer everything i wanted.
the ending was perfect for me, god i'll miss this show
 
Costanza said:
For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

Wow.

What? Jack was originally going to die in the pilot. How can this be?
 
Just watched it again. Good god damn if some parts didn't give me chills. That episode was a masterpiece on all fronts. I really appreciated how they killed MIB off about 1/4 of the way through. After 6 years of LOST the bulk of the finale episode was about exactly what it should have been: The Island & the survivors of 815. The Flashsideways have been getting most of the attention which is understandable but I'm just as content with the end of the Island narrative: Sawyer, Kate and Claire all were able to reunite with their children(Sawyer actually meeting his for the first time). Miles gets to go home with his much sought after pay day and questions about his father answered. Richard was finally liberated of his "curse" and free to live life off the Island for the first time in a century and a half.. And god damn Lapidus.. I like to think he received a heroes welcome. Jack gave himself up as the sacrifice the Island demanded--funny how things work. Ben found complete redemption and even earned his spot back(#2 behind the Guardian). Hurley is the "new Jacob". I've never been the biggest Hurley fan but he really was the perfect choice. Out of all of the survivors he's certainly the most genuine and decent.

Episode Rating: 11/10
 
reading comments on some of the reviews of the episode are making me mad

im quitting the internet for the next few days.

People still think they all died in the crash
 
The best flashback scene for me was Jin and Sun, i dont know why, i think it was the part when they saw each others deaths and just seemed so releived to be alive with each other <3

Also credit to the intro flash :O what a way to set up an episode
 
rainking187 said:
The finale completely failed on it's "All questions answered" promise, I have just as many if not more questions now then I did before I watched it.

When exactly did they promise that all questions would be answered? I specifically remember reading an interview where they said the exact opposite.
 
Costanza said:
For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

Wow.

Typical that something JJ was involved in would have a shitty ending.
 
dorkimoe said:
reading comments on some of the reviews of the episode are making me mad

im quitting the internet for the next few days.

People still think they all died in the crash

Beats the hell out of me how anyone could think that. The episode would fail to make ANY sense if that's what happened. :lol
 
Mr Cola said:
The best flashback scene for me was Jin and Sun, i dont know why, i think it was the part when they saw each others deaths and just seemed so releived to be alive with each other <3


Theres No Place Like Home belting out full tilt certainly didnt hurt either :D
 
gdt5016 said:
I love how it closes out every character, but leaves some blanks.

Basically, I'm envisioning Hurley finding Jack's body in the forest, and I'm really, really sad.

In a good way though.

Or Hurley taking Jack's body off Island for a funeral, and Kate, Sawyer, Desmond, etc etc attending his funeral.




FAN FICTION TIME!
this ..... I was thinking the same thing at work today... for me that's what happened...
 
LCfiner said:
this is obviously going to be the point where the pro and con arguments for the purgatory explanation come to a head.

you look at that reunion and say that it shows that the alt timeline means something.

I look at that reunion at the exact point where the alt timeline meant nothing.

once they explained that they were all dead, any previous resolutions and flashes meant nothing to me. it was all just running in circles till their souls could find peace.

meh.

I was much more strongly affected by the very real sacrifice Jack made on the Island to save his friends than the resolution of his daddy issues in a fantasy world before he could go to heaven.

I’m just thankful they ended the show in the real world with Jack’s eye closing instead of in this church.

This, agreed
 
soundscream said:
http://jezebel.com/5546559/lost-finale-recap-case-closed?skyline=true&s=i

Stumbled upon this at the start of S6 and surprisingly its usually one of the best write-ups after each show.
Because a part of the shared human experience—which is basically what the entire show boiled down to—is that we want to leave our mark, so that people know that we'd been here. (I mean, that was the point of all the different shit, like the statue, and hieroglyphs and the empty Dharma barracks. They were all just footprints of the people who had been on the Island before.) And a large part of that, of leaving a footprint, or a mark, is to establish a basic need: To know that we matter.
:)
 
Costanza said:
For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

Wow.
:o
 
Solo said:
Theres No Place Like Home belting out full tilt certainly didnt hurt either :D
The music was perfection, absolute perfection, every flash was so subtly different to heighten the specific emotional resonance of their journey. Ill say out of all the flashes Lockes wasnt my favourite, far too short.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It's a bit wobbly though since Desmond and Penny are there.

Well JJ came up with the idea of the hatch while writing the pilot. I'm not sure when they figured the man inside would be a major player though.
 
Vanille said:
Well, I guess they didn't have an ending figured out in the original scenario.

Yeah, I'm not sure why JJ gets the credit for that when he supposedly didn't even want the Jake character in the show. Maybe things changed quickly, as people said.

That being said, I do believe the 'end they always had in mind' (at least when speaking about Darlton) was Jack finally finding his father's coffin, talking to his father, and then 'moving on' with the other Losties.
 
Costanza said:
For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

Wow.

Not really. First off, they originally wanted Shephard dead. So, he must have thought of this ending a few episodes later.

And also....he was reading too much Narnia, since that's exactly what his ending was.
 
lets say Hurly lived for 500 years taking care of the island. does that mean all the others were waiting 500 years in the sideways world to be finally awakened and to move on?
 
Mr Cola said:
The music was perfection, absolute perfection, every flash was so subtly different to heighten the specific emotional resonance of their journey. Ill say out of all the flashes Lockes wasnt my favourite, far too short.

That was my only problem with Locke's flash - it WAS far too short. It needed about another 20-30 seconds to really knock it out of the park. Its brevity is the reason I connected more with the Sun/Jin and Claire/Charlie ones, despite Locke being my favorite character.
 
Roude Leiw said:
lets say Hurly lived for 500 years taking care of the island. does that mean all the others were waiting 500 years in the sideways world to be finally awakened and to move on?

Apparently there is no semblance of time in the alternate purgatory universe. So it didn't feel like that long...I guess.
 
Yeah, Kate was incredible this episode. I TOTALLY FUCKING BOUGHT (and loved) EVERYTHING BETWEEN HER AND JACK.

Golfham.


"Tell me I'm gonna see you again!"


and

"I missed you so much."

Dear god.
 
Solo said:
That was my only problem with Locke's flash - it WAS far too short. It needed about another 20-30 seconds to really knock it out of the park. Its brevity is the reason I connected more with the Sun/Jin and Claire/Charlie ones, despite Locke being my favorite character.

I agree. It felt sort of rushed, but it made sense because Jack wasn't ready.
 
What a different show this would have been if Jack was Michael Keaton and died in the crash, and Kate was the main character. And she actually was Rose's character but named Kate.
 
This episode almost got me into legitimate trouble--especially the Claire/Charlie/Kate scene. A [more than a] friend of mine and I had a bit of a falling out a couple of weeks back and haven't spoken since. Almost broke down and called her last night and just now during the rewatch.. :lol :lol :lol
















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Dangit watching the finale... be damned :'(

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"I died too"

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:'(
 
I'm not a Lost super-fan, but I liked the ending. For those who think the plane crashed and they all died there (like that idiot LA Times writer - no offense to those who agree with him!), then why the hell are they all waiting for each other in the "waiting room" between lives? They would have no relationships built with each other to even know who one another is. Why is Desmond there since he never was on the plane?

As far as why Ben didn't leave the current plane of existence to join the others in the church, I think if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't go yet either. Think about trying to live a life as well meaning as possible, and then having memories come back to you of another life you lived in which you did some truly despicable things, albeit you may have turned it around in the end (See Hurley's "you were a real good number two"). I might be a little nervous about moving on, especially since now you seem to be righting many of the wrongs you had done previously.

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radioheadrule83 said:
scientific stuff

Okay, you are kind of on the same page of what I was thinking. Science can co-exist with religion/mysticism/magic of whatever you want to call it. I don't think it has to be one or the other.
 
From the same review

"As soon as Jack touched his father's coffin he began remembering his life (I sort of wished that Celine Dion's "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" began playing. Because it's a good song.)"

Fuck that review.
 
Sorry to repost buy anyone try and clear this up?

Can our losties no longer stay in this almost idyllic purgatory now, when they move on can we assume they are still concious beings and can be together still or is this the end for them.
 
Solo said:
Fucking Jack, fucking up THE BOSS' flash. Im now glad Kate fucked Sawyer on 316.

:lol

So are we to take it that when Locke said "I looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful" that we should assume that he may have seen a glimpse, perhaps, of the church scene? Or was it the light in the cave?
 
mm04 said:
I'm not a Lost super-fan, but I liked the ending. For those who think the plane crashed and they all died there (like that idiot LA Times writer - no offense to those who agree with him!), then why the hell are they all waiting for each other in the "waiting room" between lives? They would have no relationships built with each other to even know who one another is. Why is Desmond there since he never was on the plane?

As far as why Ben didn't leave the current plane of existence to join the others in the church, I think if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't go yet either. Think about trying to live a life as well meaning as possible, and then having memories come back to you of another life you lived in which you did some truly despicable things, albeit you may have turned it around in the end (See Hurley's "you were a real good number two"). I might be a little nervous about moving on, especially since now you seem to be righting many of the wrongs you had done previously.

I don't think any sane viewer here actually thinks they died during the original crash. :lol It's only the people who have never watched the show, or reviewers who didn't pay much attention at all.

I've just made a few posts indicating that they died during the original crash to get people fired up, because it's ridiculous to think they were dead the whole time.
 
brandonh83 said:
:lol

So are we to take it that when Locke said "I looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful" that we should assume that he may have seen a glimpse, perhaps, of the church scene? Or was it the light in the cave?

Electro-magnetic white light.
 
I sorta knew that the show was heading towards a "reconciliation" of the timelines, and although it was adequately done here, it could have done with more tact and a bit more of exposition. I left satisfied though.
 
Jeff Albertson said:
Sorry to repost buy anyone try and clear this up?

Can our losties no longer stay in this almost idyllic purgatory now, when they move on can we assume they are still concious beings and can be together still or is this the end for them.


The purgatory is removed from space and time, so it's really more about their souls finally being able to rest together. IMO. Everything up until that was a peaceful, fragmented illusion and I cite Jack's neck wound as evidence of that.


brandonh83 said:
:lol

So are we to take it that when Locke said "I looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful" that we should assume that he may have seen a glimpse, perhaps, of the church scene? Or was it the light in the cave?

he saw what the MIB saw when he turned into Smokey. Something we will never see : *(
 
brandonh83 said:
:lol

So are we to take it that when Locke said "I looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful" that we should assume that he may have seen a glimpse, perhaps, of the church scene? Or was it the light in the cave?

He didn't see anything.

It's a metaphor, meaning he knows something is special about this place. Thats it.
 
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