LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Watched the final bits on local tv. Thankyou Channel 7 for delaying it and putting lost up against the State Of Origin. Gee I wonder which smart arse decided on that. Put a show on at midnight for the season and the finale against a huge sporting event.

Cried like a baby the 2nd time around at the final 15 minutes. Brilliant TV.
 
smh

I cant belive we're back to "did they die in the plane crash?!" again. ducky, you may need to send this thread to purgatory after it hits 10,000 posts.

EDIT: oh shit, we just hit 10,000 :lol
 
Discotheque said:
Yeah so why was Claire and Kate together with Charlie and Jack?

They probably lived another good 30-40 years. Clearly they'd have found somebody else.
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They more than likely did, but they were with the people they loved most throughout there lives in the end
 
Son of Godzilla said:
Oh come on, surely you can appreciate the difference between a show earning it's moments and just turning on the cheesey music and roilling a flashback clip.
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I agree with this. The end of the first season did more for me emotionally. The Sawyer and Jack conversation about meeting Christian in a bar was utterly incredible, it wasn't cheap, it was completely justified within the arcs of those characters, it was beautiful. The Jin/Sun ending to season one was equally stunning, and equally valid.

The End did decide to go with a less subtle means to communicate it's intent. The over exposed cuts were, for me at least, a poor decision. The clean, silent cuts in The Constant would have been preferable I think, and would have articulated the characters confusion over the situation. In The End, it felt they were more for the viewer than the characters.

robertsan21 said:
question regarding the island.

why did it need protection?

and what did father sheaperd mean when he said "some died before and some after" or something like that.

and why couldnt the smok monster leave, I know they said it would kill everything..but he looked like he would be a good guy once he would be off the island,why would he destroy the world he would be going to?
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It needed protecting because it was over keeping evil/hell/corruption/etc from spilling out.

Christian meant, that some of the people in the church died before Jack, such as Boone, and some died a long time after, such as Hurley.

We don't really know why Smokey couldn't leave. I actually don't believe there was a legitimate answer, beyond he could kill the entire population with impunity.
 
Gamecocks625 said:
Not everyone died at the same time. Some people like Sun, Jin, Sayid, etc. died before Jack. Kate, Sawyer, Hurley died after.
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Also people don't seem to understand that purgatory knows no time. Some people can spend 5 minutes, 5 thousand years, or an eternity in purgatory. All of them entered purgatory at different points in time, but once there, they stayed until all of them were together.. and again there is no definition of time as to how long each of them waited for the other ones to show up.
 
Solo said:
smh

I cant belive we're back to "did they die in the plane crash?!" again. ducky, you may need to send this thread to purgatory after it hits 10,000 posts.

EDIT: oh shit, we just hit 10,000 :lol
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I can't do it alone. We need to do it together. I need every single one of you, and all of you need me. :(
 
JGS said:
No spin zone. It's the truth.

After all, the narrative devices didn't get answered did they?:lol

Therefore too much emphasis.
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They should make a show based on Sherlock Holmes, where the whole show is the craziest mystery ever, except that he doesn't solve the mystery, and the ending is a dead Sherlock Holmes dreaming of his most important loved ones, and then they go to heaven.
 
StuBurns said:
The Sawyer and Jack conversation about meeting Christian in a bar was utterly incredible, it wasn't cheap, it was completely justified within the arcs of those characters, it was beautiful.
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Easily one of my favorite scenes EVER in the show...if not my favorite. Thank you for bringing this up.
 
fanfic time

after her time on the island and failed relationships with sawyer and jack, kate falls in love with claire and they raise aaron as a same sex couple :lol

LOST
 
yacobod said:
fanfic time

after her time on the island and failed relationships with sawyer and jack, kate falls in love with claire and they raise aaron as a same sex couple :lol

LOST
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"Herr doctor, I will never love another man"
"Yes, that's true"
 
StuBurns said:
We don't really know why Smokey couldn't leave. I actually don't believe there was a legitimate answer, beyond he could kill the entire population with impunity.
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I'm starting to think that it was one of two options. For Smokey to get off the island, it would require:

1. Killing the protector, meaning the island would be exposed to releasing evil in the world- especially since other people would still be on the Island to corrupt the source.

2. Destroying the Island.

Both of those would have wreaked havoc on the entire planet (per theory/belief), moreso than simply having Smokey roam around freely.
 
I think I'm gonna clock it in as

S6>S4>S3>S5=S2>S1

Knowing how the sideways matters enhances and explains so much more. S6 might not have the best dialogue/writing, but everything else is great to me.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I think I'm gonna clock it in as

S6>S4>S3>S5=S2>S1

Knowing how the sideways matters enhances and explains so much more. S6 might not have the best dialogue/writing, but everything else is great to me.
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Honestly can't believe you have S1 as your least favorite...
 
yacobod said:
fanfic time

after her time on the island and failed relationships with sawyer and jack, kate falls in love with claire and they raise aaron as a same sex couple :lol

LOST
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I just assume they raised Aaron more or less together. Kate had to stay close, anyway. Not to mention that Claire was one of her last links to Jack.

I also like to think they got together once and a while, like once a year to commemorate Jack/all the ones who died. And Hurley/Ben were there, they got off the Island much more often than Jacob ever did.

/fan fiction
 
Korey said:
They should make a show based on Sherlock Holmes, where the whole show is the craziest mystery ever, except that he doesn't solve the mystery, and the ending is a dead Sherlock Holmes dreaming of his most important loved ones, and then they go to heaven.
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:lol :lol If the show were about people trying to figure out the mysteries of the island, you may actually be on to something.
 
If Mother was MotherInBlack, did she make the illusion of the real mother that made MIB leave? Or did he just mag(net)ically have an ability to see ghosts.
 
gdt5016 said:
I'd probably put S1 second or third to last.

I adore every season though, really.
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Maybe the overall arc wasn't that fantastic in season 1...but the original flashbacks are some of the most compelling television I've ever seen.
 
Fjolle said:
If Mother was MotherInBlack, did she make the illusion of the real mother that made MIB leave? Or did he just mag(net)ically have an ability to see ghosts.
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I'm thinking he had the same ability as Hurley.
 
gdt5016 said:
I'd probably put S1 second or third to last.

I adore every season though, really.
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Yea, basically. Ranking them is a little arbitrary. S1 is close to last (fi not last for me) because it's the bedrock and every other season just built on top of it.
 
Fjolle said:
If Mother was MotherInBlack, did she make the illusion of the real mother that made MIB leave? Or did he just mag(net)ically have an ability to see ghosts.
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No I think it was his mother's ghost pointing him to another option he didn't know he had. She was not a force for good though. It was interesting that Jacob didn't see her. My thinking is because she went to the weaker link in regards to the Island.
 
JGS said:
I'm starting to think that it was one of two options. For Smokey to get off the island, it would require:

1. Killing the protector, meaning the island would be exposed to releasing evil in the world- especially since other people would still be on the Island to corrupt the source.

2. Destroying the Island.

Both of those would have wreaked havoc on the entire planet (per theory/belief), moreso than simply having Smokey roam around freely.
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It's an interest thought, however in Ab Aeterno Smokey asks Jacob to let him leave, implying it is up to the leader of the island to allow Smokey to leave.

It's one of the big moral issues with the show I think, Smokey put up with his brothers shit for two thousand years before he tried to kill him, and we really don't have a justification for Jacob's actions. Everyone Smokey killed, was a direct result of Jacob's unwillingness to allow his brother to leave. Maybe Jacob had a great reason, but it is not evident in the show what that reason is.
 
Totally objective views on the seasons may go more something like

S4>S1>S3>S6>S2


Just from a total writing/directing/acting/etc. perspective.
 
I like to think that Richard's immortality kicked back in once the Island's energy was restored and he roamed the earth like the Higlander long after most of humanity had wiped itself out, creating a master race of guy-lined people in his image.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I think I'm gonna clock it in as

S6>S4>S3>S5=S2>S1

Knowing how the sideways matters enhances and explains so much more. S6 might not have the best dialogue/writing, but everything else is great to me.
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Nameless said:
I like to think that Richard's immortality kicked back in once the Island's energy was restored and he roamed the earth like the Higlander long after most of humanity had wiped itself out, creating a master race of guy-lined people in his image.
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He went back to the Canary Islands after cloning was invented and recreated Isabella 10 times over. Then he fucked until he was dead.

The End.
 
StuBurns said:
It's an interest thought, however in Ab Aeterno Smokey asks Jacob to let him leave, implying it is up to the leader of the island to allow Smokey to leave.
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That's true.

I think Jacob could have let him leave. I just think Jacob realized the danger of doing that.

Jacob was no saint though and he needed Smokey to play his game in order to find a replacement for himself.
 
the biggest thing seasons 2,3, and to some degree season 1 have going against them is the 23-24 episodes per season

the reason why season 4 is so awesome is because its so tightly focused, if you boiled down s1, s2, and s3 into 13-15 episodes, i'm sure they would be a lot better, i mean look at the end of s3 when they got their act together and kicked the most collective ass in lost history

lost would have been so much better on a schedule like amc or fx cable shows
 
yacobod said:
fanfic time

after her time on the island and failed relationships with sawyer and jack, kate falls in love with claire and they raise aaron as a same sex couple :lol

LOST
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I'm taking this as official canon.

TEAM CLAITE!
 
Korey said:
They should make a show based on Sherlock Holmes, where the whole show is the craziest mystery ever, except that he doesn't solve the mystery, and the ending is a dead Sherlock Holmes dreaming of his most important loved ones, and then they go to heaven.
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If someone events time travel in your lifetime I want you to go back to the precise point when you clicked "submit reply" for that post. Then I want you to look up and describe how the point looks zooming right over your head.
 
Gamecocks625 said:
Even though I said I never wanted this thread to end a few pages back, I think I'm ready now. I can let go.
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fuck that, lost-gaf needs to continue, hopefully this thread will stay open all summer at least.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
He went back to the Canary Islands after cloning was invented and recreated Isabella 10 times over. Then he fucked until he was dead.

The End.
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indeed. Dick Alpert is legendary.
 
JGS said:
That's true.

I think Jacob could have let him leave. I just think Jacob realized the danger of doing that.

Jacob was no saint though and he needed Smokey to play his game in order to find a replacement for himself.
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If he'd have let smokey go, he wouldn't need a replacement. However, he would be stuck for eternity on a magical island pretty much alone. I think the reason he didn't let MiB go was because he'd be lonely, and he wanted to play this long, drawn out game with his brother. He wasn't willing to do it alone.
 
JGS said:
When was he betrayed by his mother?
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When she knocked his head into a rock while pretending to say goodbye to him and used his time of unconsciousness to fill in his well and kill all of his collaborators in the planned escape.
 
Solo said:
smh

I cant belive we're back to "did they die in the plane crash?!" again. ducky, you may need to send this thread to purgatory after it hits 10,000 posts.

EDIT: oh shit, we just hit 10,000 :lol
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This post was in purgatory THE WHOLE TIME
 
StuBurns said:
If he'd have let smokey go, he wouldn't need a replacement. However, he would be stuck for eternity on a magical island pretty much alone. I think the reason he didn't let MiB go was because he'd be lonely, and he wanted to play this long, drawn out game with his brother. He wasn't willing to do it alone.
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Agreed.

I think Jacob was ready to let go himself but he needed to do it the right way to make sure the Earth wasn't in jeopardized by the two options I mentioned.

His plan all along was to kill Smokey after he realized that Smokey was going to kill him.
 
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