LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Of course.Drealmcc0y said:
It's successful because it works. It might not be the best explanation ever, it might not be clever or gratifying, but if it makes sense then it's still a success (meant as "not a failure on their part", not as "freakin' good").Jexhius said:
You're correct. Except some of the dialogue in Across the Sea: that was objectively badJexhius said:
Kingsora
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Yeah that doesn't count, Sawyer, Jin, Julliette, etc. didn't saw the rest for 3 years and some already died before the first 100 days ended. Anyhow not really important.Solo said:
Has everyone already seen the alternative endings to the Series finale of Lost? Funny but it could have been better =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ehyuY5pEA
I don't remember the details, but from the rocket's point of view everything was normal. It took off, followed its trajectory at normal speed, and got to the island.Archaix said:
The times between the rocket taking off and landing don't match because of the time distortion, but if you were travelling on the rocket you wouldn't notice (it's relativity).
Jocchan said:
I looked it up, the rocket clock was 31 minutes ahead. This says that rocket experienced 31 extra minutes that nobody else did. That was the purpose of having the clocks at both points, to see what the relative time experience was. It did travel the normal speed and trajectory, it also experienced a half hour more than it should have on the journey. That's something which would be noticable if you were on the rocket.
This would also explain why you would "never" leave the Island if you were sailing at the wrong bearing. You could sail for years and years without getting to the other side of that relatively small bubble. The person sailing most certainly would experience it as a long amount of time.
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cory said:
According to Geronimo Jack's Beard this week, there was a cut bit from the tree scene. Ben was supposed to have become trapped by saving Hurley from getting whacked by the tree falling down. This would have set up at least some reason for Hurley to trust Ben enough to ask for help. Then again, without that scene it now looks like Hurley is very open to forgiveness for no reason other than trusting people. Gives him more of a Jacobish outlook on things.
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Solo said:
"Hello, Hugo!"
*heart melts*
It manipulates the water to increase the concentration of energy and cause a warp. See the Philadelphia experiment.Jexhius said:
And, yeah, one of the reasons why I'm happy with just hinted/open-ended answers and not blatant ones is because the ones we got were really disappointing.
Just finished it again, fuck me my eyes are sore.
Again, I got the biggest emotional reaction from the last 10 minutes. Jack's death march/entering the church fucked me up. I was crying...loudly to say the least :lol . Good thing I'm alone this time, because I think I cried harder :lol .
Again, I got the biggest emotional reaction from the last 10 minutes. Jack's death march/entering the church fucked me up. I was crying...loudly to say the least :lol . Good thing I'm alone this time, because I think I cried harder :lol .
TheGreatDave
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gdt5016 said:
Same. It's kinda ridiculous. The music!
hamchan said:
Huh. I didn't really have full attention at that scene (somebody started talking to me and I couldn't hit them fast enough to see it all), I was just going by what Jorge said on the podcast.
To be honest, I was actually a bit confused by all the talk in here about how Ben got out from under the tree. That he was under a tree at all was foggy. The big struggle to get him out didn't really sink in when I was watching it until after I read everybody's reactions a couple commercial breaks later.
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Responding to a troll like Son of Godzilla is a waste of your time. He knows what he's saying is nonsense. He just wants to watch people react.oatmeal said:
KevinCow said:
He was a regular person until he became protector of the island. He seemed to have quite a few non-regular abilities after that. If he was any sort of decent person, he would have made everyone on the island a candidate so Smokey couldn't kill them, or perhaps just pull another one of his magical rules out his ass to protect all the unfortunate people who ended up there. The guy is a mental midget with a lower IQ than Vincent.
Seems to me there would be many easier ways to get his 6 candidates to the island other than crashing a plane full of innocent people. Why not build the runway sometime in the previous 2000 years and either bribe the pilot or hijack O815.
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JGS said:
When she murdered his mother and lied about it? When she tried to prevent him from having free will?
She was "right" about people but only in the broad sense the humanity is flawed, nothing about that particular group of people.
Selfish=almost evil? What? Dude wanted to leave the island after finding out his real mother was murdered.
TheGreatDave
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hamchan said:
How did they get Ben from under the tree? I've watched it twice and not noticed when it happened.
Jexhius said:
The nature of the show is intended to open-ended and up to personal interpretation, in the end.
So don't you think that leaving something unexplained but still leaving enough for someone to logically piece things together is the perfect, and even the only, real way to leave a mystery open?
TheGreatDave
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gdt5016 said:
Ugh, that's going to be the 20 minutes of footage, isn't it?
BenjaminBirdie
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otake said:
He was the chosen one. The best character of the series. That's a purpose.
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Archaix said:
Ben definitely said look out and pushed Hurldogg out of the way. That whole time in the podcast I was like "Watch your own show, doofus!!"
Jex
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Zeliard said:
Well there's some pretty heavy bias present in the framing of that question.
For one it assumes that most of the things are mysteries - some things aren't so much 'mysteries' as 'things written on the fly for the purposes of entertainment'.
Neither do I subscribe to the school of thought that the show is all about leaving mysteries open. Considering they managed to answer many things, it seems they didn't think it was all about leaving mysteries open either.
There's obviously a point to be made about which things are important mysteries and which aren't, an area I won't go into because I haven't really decided. Stuff like "What is the Island really?" are obviously pretty big mysteries.
I can't really say that many of these things were perfect either. That seems to be ascribing a high level of competency to the writers who scattered some clues and pieces of information around the show and let other people do the hard work.
I already stated above that, just because a mystery can be answered doesn't mean it was 'perfect', it just means it wasn't completely and utterly illogical.
In my mind a 'perfect' mystery would be one where the writer worked out the solution beforehand, and then took the time and effort to breakdown the information that could answer this mystery into clues that are then scattered throughout the story. In other words, the classic format of many murder-mysteries.
But I didn't expect to get that from the show, and I didn't. I got entertainment.
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hamchan said:
Well we've seen that just because smokey impersonates someone doesn't meant their ghost can't appear. Isabella proves that. Hurley has seen ghosts from the island off island.
BenjaminBirdie
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gdt5016 said:
First stop, the Bunny Ranch.
"Hey, blondie! Come here!"
"Oooh! You two are from the Ajira 6!"
"Yup. We're in for a landing. *wink*"
"*giggle* Oh, you."
"Guess why I call this one Enis..."
Which is basically what I said: as long as plausible explanations exist, the writers have been successful. If the puzzle pieces contradict each other and you can't find a working solution, they're not.Zeliard said:
That would be Desmond.BenjaminBirdie said:
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Jocchan said:
For you.
water_wendi
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i just watched the finale with my sister and right before they cut away from Ben and the tree you see Sawyer using a lever and moving the tree off of him. i guess 30 seconds if thats even part of the stuff thats cut.TheGreatDave said:
This picture is as Ben is telling them about Lockes boat
i dont think this needs to be explained much further.
Mr. Snrub said:
Well, the murder part would be accurate, but Jacob suffered the same fate and it ceratinly didn't cause him to be Smokey at the time he found out. He and Jacob were still friends through adulthood.
Not correct. It wasn't only in a broad sense because there was only the tribe MiB lived with that could validate it, which he did.Mr. Snrub said:
I don't think I said Selfish=almost evil. I said it's a small step to being evil. There's a pretty big difference. I'm a small step from being a VP at my workplace, that doesn't mean I'm almost a VP (I wish!).Mr. Snrub said:
His desire to leave the Island or find out what was across the sea was validated by his dead mother. However, there is no indication she was doing this for his own good since she didn't tell Jacob.
MiB's big problem was he wanted to get off the Island regardless of the ramifications it caused to the island- selfish. This is reiterated time and again throughout the season. It's a selfish reason. Jacob was a jerk too, but even he realized the danger presented if the Island was left unprotected. MiB didn't care. So in his case, his selfishness led to his being evil.
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