LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Archaix said:
If we're assuming he was traveling with the group through time, it's not much of a stretch to say he got spit out at the same time as Locke, but since he couldn't leave the Island it was just 2007 in the cave instead of 2007 in Tunisia.
Hey, that's actually not a bad theory, man. Never thought about that possibility :)

TheGreatDave said:
Locke fell because there was a flash. We don't know what time it was when he turned the wheel, but the statue was gone. At least if my memory is right.
IIRC

-- TIME: maybe post-purge --
- Sawyer, Locke, Juliet and crew arrive at the Orchid Station...

*random time flash*

-- TIME: undetermined, but pre-Dharma --

- Orchid Station disappears, but they discover the well instead.
- Locke is lowered down the well, when...

*random time flash*

TIME: pre-1867

- Locke falls, breaks leg, encounters "Christian" near Donkey Wheel.
- Meanwhile, above ground, well isn't built yet; rope sticking out of dirt.
- Losties look up and get an eye-full of Tawaret in all its glory.
- Locke fixes wheel and turns it one last time...

*final time flash*

-- TIME: 1974 --

- Tawaret disappears.
- Well is built, but filled to the top with dirt.
- Sawyer and crew, stuck in Dharma times.
- Locke teleports to 2005(?) Tunisia. MiB teleports to (???:lol)
 
SalsaShark said:
It is July first and im starting to miss Lost.
It's June man :P

Finally listened to that Jay and Jack podcast with Jorge. Good stuff. Jorge seems like such a cool guy. And damn, so many sets for the light.
 
gdt5016 said:
Everything was real.

The "flashsideways" we've been seeing all season was some sort of purgatory. All of the Losties went their after they died, some before Jack, some a long time after (Hurley and Ben).

Listen to Christian again, he explains the whole thing.

Hasn't someone or multiple people said this like a billion times ITT already? :lol
 
Lafiel said:
Hasn't someone or multiple people said this like a billion times ITT already? :lol
You'd figure Christian spelling it out for us would've been enough. :lol
 
I think alot of people ragequit the finale when Jack said, "I'm dead?" and then Christian was like "we all die sometime". (Not exact words but yeah) Shame they didn't stick around afterwards.
 
I don't know how it's been for you guys but I believe that finally, after more than one week, today I finally managed not to be hearing Giacchino's music, pretty much constantly, in my mind.
 
HowardRoark said:
great post


really good post. Agree completely the temple was pointless, Sayid's sickness etc pointless. Why introduce new characters so near to the end? Didn't move anything on.

and also good point about how Jacob can leave the island. So why couldn't MiB?
 
FirewalkR said:
I don't know how it's been for you guys but I believe that finally, after more than one week, today I finally managed not to be hearing Giacchino's music, pretty much constantly, in my mind.
Yeah, like everyone I kinda went into Lost overload the week before the finale and last week. I think I'm done with the show for a while.
 
KevinCow said:
I'm pretty sure Hurley having to speak for dead people on multiple occasions was done to point out that he was the only one who could see them.

MiB just had the same power as Hurley. That's why he could see her, but not Jacob.

Jacob at the end was a special case. Throughout most of S6, we had both adult Jacob and kid Jacob wandering around. Adult Jacob was a regular ghost that only special people could see. Kid Jacob was a physical being, able to be seen by anybody. Then kid Jacob became physical adult Jacob after burning his ashes. Probably all just a rule that Jacob put into place. Point is, the Jacob that Jack and all saw wasn't a ghost.

That's a possibility but it's speculation since the apparitions themselves were only answered a few episodes ago and nothing was explained regarding who could see them or not- only that Hurley could and perhaps only one at a time. I have no doubt Hurley does have a special ability regarding them and he was used because one of the things that made him crazy was his imaginary friends which turned out to likely be real.

Your exception proves the point considering a bunch of loopholes are tied up in Jacob. If you add that exception to the abilty of apparition rather than omit it as an exception, then it's possible that other people had the ability to see ghosts.

Leaving Jacob out of the picture, we still have to assume that Christian was a hallucination to Jack off-Island, Smokey could either travel across water or project himself to Michael, & Ben was needed at an early age by Smokey before any corruption at all took place (After Sayid shot him). Those are too many assumptions for me.
 
I just thought if something:

Remember several seasons back when Damon and Carlton were asked who the actor/character was who always says "Previously on Lost..." before each episode and they said they wanted to keep it a secret/surprise?

I think it was Christian Shepard all along. :O
 
ckohler said:
I just thought if something:

Remember several seasons back when Damon and Carlton were asked who the actor/character was who always says "Previously on Lost..." before each episode and they said they wanted to keep it a secret/surprise?

I think it was Christian Shepard all along. :O

You got it all wrong. People thought it was Carlton Cuse. In the end it turned out to be Lloyd Braun.
 
ckohler said:
I just thought if something:

Remember several seasons back when Damon and Carlton were asked who the actor/character was who always says "Previously on Lost..." before each episode and they said they wanted to keep it a secret/surprise?

I think it was Christian Shepard all along. :O

They talked about this earlier, I think during the season premiere special. Its some guy who worked on the show with them at the beginning. A writer or something like that I think....
 
mrklaw said:
really good post. Agree completely the temple was pointless, Sayid's sickness etc pointless. Why introduce new characters so near to the end? Didn't move anything on.

and also good point about how Jacob can leave the island. So why couldn't MiB?
The Temple wasn't pointless. It was necessary if for no other reason than to be addressed. However, it also introduced the other side of the Others, and was a meeting up place for the Losties.

They introduce new characters for the same reason they introduce new storylines- because they need to fill episodes. The beginning to the end could have been told in 4 or 5 episodes. I thought it was a good thing that they introduced new characters and properly dispensed of them to focus on the Losties once the temps filled their roles.

Sayid's arc was, from the writer's viewpoint, far from pointless considering how worthless Sayid thought he was (In the first episode he was wondering if he would go to hell). They introduced the arc to add mystery of course, but also to have a way for Sayid to go from irredeemable in his mind to a hero. He had to go through a period of sickness to show that good will overcome darkness. Sayid showed there was a cure for the sickness that had gotten everybody else. The story could have been left out like most of the stories in LOST, but that didn't make it a pointless plot point.
 
Okay this seems like the right place to post this.

Finally finished the show today, didn't really care for the ending(it pulled on some strings I will admit) but I have just one random question.

Whatever happened to Walt? I mean, we see almost every other character except chemistry teacher and Ecko at some point during the lead up. lol
 
Locke: Two players, two sides. One is light. One is dark.

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Although I'm sure they were still fuzzy on a lot of the details, that's gotta be a reference to the MiB vs Jacob situation we ended up with, right? Then again, Light vs Dark is a pretty easy motif to just stick in a narrative; we do see it again real soon with Adam and Eve stones :\
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
Okay this seems like the right place to post this.

Finally finished the show today, didn't really care for the ending(it pulled on some strings I will admit) but I have just one random question.

Whatever happened to Walt? I mean, we see almost every other character except chemistry teacher and Ecko at some point during the lead up. lol

Walt seemed like an important character at the beginning and I guess they gave this idea up in the process
 
Sevket-Erhat said:
Walt seemed like an important character at the beginning and I guess they gave this idea up in the process

Yeah I honestly expected him to be around to do something. His dog got more time than him. lol
 
Sevket-Erhat said:
Walt seemed like an important character at the beginning and I guess they gave this idea up in the process
I think this has been repeated a lot. But "walt" was suppose to appear in the finale, but he didn't for whatever reason.

He is going appear in a special scene on the DVD set though.
 
Goodnight, sweet prince.

LOST star JORGE GARCIA is heartbroken after his beloved dog Nunu was run over by a car.

The actor, who recently finished his stint on the desert island drama, was with his pint-sized dachshund-Chihuahua mix when she was struck by a motorist on Sunday (30May10).

And he was devastated to watch the pooch pass away in his arms.

In a post on his blog, he writes, "It breaks my heart to tell you that yesterday as we were preparing to all go to the airport Nunu was struck by a car as she crossed the street. She died in my arms.

"We are burying her in the Pet Garden at Valley of the Temple in Kaneohe. Nunu hated the water so we couldn't bring ourselves to (have) her ashes scattered in the ocean. Three months from now you'll be able to find a bronze plaque inscribed with just her name there. If you'd like to leave a flower or a toy, I'm sure she'd love it.

"We love and miss her very much."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/garcias-dog-killed-by-car_1144557
 
Shorty said:
Anyone else left with a stronger sense of faith after watching "The End"? Not necessarily belief in god and religion but rather belief in the afterlife. Death not being the end of it all and being able to "move on" is a really comforting thought and Lost gave me a little bit of hope that it may actually be true :)
I know it's a TV show, bitches

Why would it give you a stronger sense of faith? Sure it's comforting, but that doesn't make it any more rational or likely. I don't know how people shut out the rational part of their brain in favor of more comforting things, but I'm pretty damn sure after death will be the same as before life. I don't see how a fictional show about time travel, a magical island and flying smoke monsters would change that...
 
I watched the finale on Friday, really enjoyed it until the church scene, which left a bad taste in my mouth.

I really don't care about unanswered questions, and I'm completely fine with having the closure be focused on the characters. But I didn't like that it ended on a religious note, and it felt like a cop-out ending to me.

My friend totally hated it, he feels the whole time spent watching the show was a waste. I however don't, it was my favorite form of escapism for the past 6 years and I wouldn't trade that for anything. I was just hoping the finale would make me want to rewatch the whole thing again, but it didn't.

Random things:

Am I the only one who thought Josh Holloway was NOT feeling his kissing scene with Juliet? I only noticed it on my second watch, but damn I can't unsee it. Bender should have shot another take.

During the Times Talk Live, didn't Lindelcuse say that we will see Walt before it's over? I could have sworn one of them said that when answering one of the fan questions. Not that I personally care about Walt (I don't), but people keep bringing it up and I seem to remember them saying he'll be in the finale.
 
Naked Snake said:
I watched the finale on Friday, really enjoyed it until the church scene, which left a bad taste in my mouth.

I really don't care about unanswered questions, and I'm completely fine with having the closure be focused on the characters. But I didn't like that it ended on a religious note, and it felt like a cop-out ending to me.

My friend totally hated it, he feels the whole time spent watching the show was a waste. I however don't, it was my favorite form of escapism for the past 6 years and I wouldn't trade that for anything. I was just hoping the finale would make me want to rewatch the whole thing again, but it didn't.

Random things:

Am I the only one who thought Josh Holloway was NOT feeling his kissing scene with Juliet? I only noticed it on my second watch, but damn I can't unsee it. Bender should have shot another take.

During the Times Talk Live, didn't Lindelcuse say that we will see Walt before it's over? I could have sworn one of them said that when answering one of the fan questions. Not that I personally care about Walt (I don't), but people keep bringing it up and I seem to remember them saying he'll be in the finale.
It wasn't necessarily religious, but it was spiritual.
And I think what happened with Walt was that Cuse said we'd see Walt, but then Lindelof gave a sort of half-refutation. What we know now is that he'll be on the DVD.
 
Stridone said:
Why would it give you a stronger sense of faith? Sure it's comforting, but that doesn't make it any more rational or likely. I don't know how people shut out the rational part of their brain in favor of more comforting things, but I'm pretty damn sure after death will be the same as before life. I don't see how a fictional show about time travel, a magical island and flying smoke monsters would change that...

They don't. They learn more about it. It's all about beliefs, and what works best for you. For plenty of people, some of the 'rational' theories on life are actually pretty crazy.

But hey, it works both ways. Remember the backlash from the ending because it wasn't about science?
 
Kurtofan said:
Write the script and send it to Lindelcuse!But remove Nicky and Paulo.
Nicky and Paulo suck.
Better yet, take them out and, with Lando, make Expose! into a full tv show please! :D Razzle Dazzle!

Expose was such a hilarious episode. You can tell they were having fun bein like "oh that's where Nikki and Paulo were" and making them find everything months before the rest. Plus all the dead people cameos :lol

Shorty said:
Anyone else left with a stronger sense of faith after watching "The End"? Not necessarily belief in god and religion but rather belief in the afterlife. Death not being the end of it all and being able to "move on" is a really comforting thought and Lost gave me a little bit of hope that it may actually be true :)
I know it's a TV show, bitches
I kinda agree :)
 
Shorty said:
Anyone else left with a stronger sense of faith after watching "The End"? Not necessarily belief in god and religion but rather belief in the afterlife. Death not being the end of it all and being able to "move on" is a really comforting thought and Lost gave me a little bit of hope that it may actually be true :)
I know it's a TV show, bitches

Actually... the finale fell (somewhat) flat for me particularly because those themes don't resonate with me.

I still loved it though.

Today I removed LOST from my DVR schedule. :(
 
OH MY GOD Buster from Arrested Development is in the same angel episode :lol WTF?

Hmm it sure looks and sounds like him..but he isn't credited on IMDB. Strange.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm putting all of this in the Lost topic but ok..
 
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