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Those Bee special effects were really convincing... :rolleyes
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"Lost" - 10/27 - 8:00 EDT, ABC
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Sorry, but there's nothing productive in coming in here every week and saying that the show is boring and you'd rather just skip most of it. You hate the show's character development and 'slow' pace in revealing the island's mysteries. We get it.Willco said:
If you want to watch the show and actually critique it with reasons, feel free, but popping in to say that you haven't watched it and don't really plan to do so... well, sorry, that's just fucking annoying.
I thought the episode had a few good scenes, although the bee thing was kinda stupid. I'm not sure it really served a purpose outside of getting Kate out of her shirt for three seconds. It wasn't particularly necessary for them to stumble into the corpses. Also, I thought the debate to move off the beach was too truncated. It just happened. I would have liked to see Jack actually talking to people and the others talking about remaining. As it was done, everyone pretty much just suddenly had a decision, and all those discussions were assumed and left offscreen. As mentioned by others too, you'd think there'd be a compromise that might be possible. At the very least, it should have been mentioned and then refuted for some reason.
I liked Locke hounding Charlie, that was funny, and I like how Locke is becoming this kinda spiritual guy that no one really gets.
I'm a bit confused about Kate, not really sure what her deal was. Did the corpses in the cave really disturb her or what? I don't really buy that, and it just seemed to me that she was pissed when Jack kinda opted out of flirting with her in the forest. She seemed more than disappointed when he claimed to not be checking her out, and even moreso when he returned to discussing the cave. Kate needs male attention! I thought her reaction was very "high school" as Jack put their situation to Hurley.
Burger
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Someone tell me this:
Last night my flatmate asked what happened in the last episode while we were watching this one. I gave him the rundown and said "Oh yeah, locke said "I looked into the eye of this island"..."
He said "And it was beautiful?"
I said how the fuck do you know that, he said he was a film major or some shit, and that "He should know"
Does this quote come from anything else ?
Last night my flatmate asked what happened in the last episode while we were watching this one. I gave him the rundown and said "Oh yeah, locke said "I looked into the eye of this island"..."
He said "And it was beautiful?"
I said how the fuck do you know that, he said he was a film major or some shit, and that "He should know"
Does this quote come from anything else ?
Haha? Who gives a shit if my criticism is constructive or not. Unless you're J.J. Abrams, I really don't think it fucking matters. Maybe I would stop saying the same thing every week if the show would STOP DRAGGING EVERY WEEK.
I'm reiterating what several other people have said in the past and this week. Live with it. Or fucking ignore me. I don't care!
I'm reiterating what several other people have said in the past and this week. Live with it. Or fucking ignore me. I don't care!
So you admit you spout inane useless shit.Willco said:
as for the episode... I guess I viewed it differently than some of you.. we'll have to see what happens. I personally saw it as not that you have some sitting out waiting for the boats and the others going to the caves, but as some who haven't given up hope of being rescued soon and those who have accepted that they might be here for quite some time. At least that's how I viewed it.
The bees thing was ok for tension but served no other purpose than to get them naked and into the caves.. ok I suppose but definitely the low point of the show.
I loved how they starkly contrasted asshole-current-Jin with sympathetic-past-Jin at the beginning of the show and then later on sympathetic-current-Jin with asshole-past-Jin more towards the middle.
Locke rules. Locke basically gets what the island is about, though I don't get why he just doesn't explain it.. hopefully that will be covered soon.
This season.. wow.. Lost, Smallville, Desperate Housewives, and Dead Like Me all in the same season.. man....
borghe said:
Nope. The only thing I admit is that Lost suffers from some shitty pacing and is dragging on way too much. Some of the decisions are illogical, just so they can force this tribe thing without really thinking it through and my criticisms are obviously legitimate, as I'm not the only person who has said these things.
Just more fanboys getting peeved!
If you don't actually continually watch it your critiques can't possibly be legitimate. That's like reading the first 10 pages of a book and writing a review. Hardly what I would call legitimate.Willco said:
Yup, and thousands of people are all trying to say the holocaust never happened. Doesn't make it true just because it's more than one.
As for the pacing to be slow? What the hell are you talking about? Each show has a conflict and resolution, a start middle and end, and a build up and climax? You mean the advancement of the backstory of the characters? There are 46 viable characters, over a dozen current active characters, all of whom have backstorys, not to mention actually moving the story of the present day forward as well.
Clearly you have no concept as to how storytelling of this kind of nature works. Go back to your hour and forty five minute movies.
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It's starting to turn into dramatised version of survivor. which was alread dramatised.......
I still like it. At this point I am 90% sure
I still like it. At this point I am 90% sure
giant zombies stuck in a time warp did it
Dan said:
Uh, smart guy, I did watch the episode. I never said I didn't. If it makes you feel better, we can talk about how it dragged and break down all the very, very boring scenes. Would it make you feel better?
I'm not even going to address borghe's reply, because it seems as long and drawn out as the last episode of Lost (snap!).
I still think the show has a lot of potential and the problem is that it has flashed enough to keep me tuned in, but my interest is fading and the whole mystery of the island won't keep my involved for much longer.
It certainly isn't the best show on TV for that matter or - hell! - the best show on Wednesday. Tough shit, fanboys.
You never said you did watch it either. The only comment you made about this episode was that you were "thinking about just watching the last five minutes so I can see the teaser for next week which pretty much gives me all the important plot points without all the boring, tedious shit." Everything else you've said in this thread is either a juvenile attempt at namecalling or a justification of your trolling.
And sorry bub, putting words into our mouths about how . I'm no fanboy either, which if you could read you'd know I have plenty of complaints. But when I criticize something I actually provide thought-out reasons. I don't just drop unjustified comments and call people names.
And sorry bub, putting words into our mouths about how . I'm no fanboy either, which if you could read you'd know I have plenty of complaints. But when I criticize something I actually provide thought-out reasons. I don't just drop unjustified comments and call people names.
or *gasp* you have nothing to refute it with.Willco said:
and again avoid actually discussing anything.
The problem is your lack of any actual critique. Saying "this sucks, pacing sucks" is the equivalent to me saying "baseball sucks." How about offering up actual EXAMPLES on why you feel this way.
My guess is you are either intellectually incapable of doing so or in fact haven't actually watched and/or paid attention enough to actually critique anything specific on the show.
Boring pace yet we now have deep back stories on half a dozen characters. We have an idea of history on almost a dozen individuals and have been introduced thoroughly to the personalities on almost two dozen. ALL IN SIX EPISODES!
So please tell me, where is this slow pacing you speak of?
I thought the polar bear was mentioned in last night's episode, I could be mistaken.
As for the pacing, I could see where some people might find it to be going slow and tedious, as for me I find it to be great. I think it would suck if everything was going fast paced and we jumped from character to character like fleas in a kennel. If they did that it would feel more like some kind of MTV reality show. The way it is now sets it up to be kind of moody and mysterious. It's building up to something interesting. Do I expect it to be huge and life-changing? No, but I do think that it will pretty interesting. And if they just revealed all their secrets right off the bat, it would be terribly anticlimactic. As it is now, the way you are kind of learning about the back stories of the characters in these episodes kind of emulates what it would be like to really be stranded on an island with a group of strangers. You can't just know about all the characters right away, you have to learn about them little by little.
As for the pacing, I could see where some people might find it to be going slow and tedious, as for me I find it to be great. I think it would suck if everything was going fast paced and we jumped from character to character like fleas in a kennel. If they did that it would feel more like some kind of MTV reality show. The way it is now sets it up to be kind of moody and mysterious. It's building up to something interesting. Do I expect it to be huge and life-changing? No, but I do think that it will pretty interesting. And if they just revealed all their secrets right off the bat, it would be terribly anticlimactic. As it is now, the way you are kind of learning about the back stories of the characters in these episodes kind of emulates what it would be like to really be stranded on an island with a group of strangers. You can't just know about all the characters right away, you have to learn about them little by little.
Burger said:
It sounded really familiar to me when I heard it but after some Google searching I wasn't able to find anything.
On thing I did just notice was that the tattoo on Charlie's shoulder, "Living is easy with eyes closed," is a line from "Strawberry Fields Forever" and the chorus goes: "Let me take you down cause I'm going to strawberry fields, nothing is real..."
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Ronald_mcd said:
:lol: Part of me wants that as my tag.
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That "looked into the eye of the island and it was beatiful" thing sounds REAL familiar.
I think it could be a hammy line off 10000000 different things.
I think it could be a hammy line off 10000000 different things.
Relatively speaking, not the most compelling episode. Not much major went on, besides the split at the end. Though I enjoyed it a lot all the same.
I kind of expected there to be 'rival' camps, but not this soon. Maybe they'll unite again soon, and true division won't come until later. But the logic behind the whole thing isn't terribly believable. Isn't the plane wreckage enough by itself to alert passerbys? Maybe the 'beach people' associate the forest with the monster.
Willco,
I kind of expected there to be 'rival' camps, but not this soon. Maybe they'll unite again soon, and true division won't come until later. But the logic behind the whole thing isn't terribly believable. Isn't the plane wreckage enough by itself to alert passerbys? Maybe the 'beach people' associate the forest with the monster.
Someone mentioned in the last thread how the first half of the pilot gave the impression that the stage for a fast-paced series. Which it isn't, and truly couldn't be under these circumstances. There's got to be investment and pretention. The show, thankfully, isn't even building towards the one climax (monster). Instead it's branching out and becoming a bigger picture.ohamsie said:
Willco,
I suppose it makes you look a lot better if you project everyone in opposition as a "fanboy", but people have been pointing out flaws pretty frequently. Only not like:
I look forward to next week for your observations.
Dan said:
Uh, saying a show is boring and tedious to sit through isn't trolling. Just because my opinion doesn't jive with yours doesn't mean I'm trolling. Trolling is different.
The Joss Whedon fanboyism is rampant with this show. Sadly.
Dear lord, that is the image of the year!
No, people who oppose my opinion are fine. People who a really, really stretching to make up excuses for the shortfalls of Lost and then are offended that someone thinks that the show is stepping down the path of mediocrity are fanboys.
I don't have a problem with anyone who likes the show. Everyone knows where I stand. Dan and his ilk got a stick up their butt. I'm a fanboy of a lot shit, Raimi stuff most of all, but if I got all hotheaded about every anti-Spidey comment on this board, and spent my time reaching for excuses, I'd spend every minute doing rebuttals. Who cares what you like as long as you like it? I hope Dan and everyone likes Lost, but it sure is hell pissing me off.
As far as I'm concerned, this has become the base of your attitude in these threads. But I'm not seeing it. Maybe because I'm almost part and parcel (I think the show is fantastic so far), but besides people often glowing when they talk about the show ("amazing", "great", etc), I've seen very few people blind themselves to flaws, if at all. At worst, they've tried to reasonably provide explanations, for the people behind the show likely have a method to any supposed madness.Willco said:
Unless you mostly don't like that people don't mind the "slow pace"... then maybe you have to understand that some of us don't think it's necessary to excuse and have, in my mind, done well to justify it.
One thing I DO agree with you, along with some other people, is that the show may end up asking more questions than it can answer. But as of now, that doesn't concern me. Especially since Abrams seemed to acknowledge this issue with Alias.
Shortfalls?? LOL!! Willco's shortfalls:Willco said:
pacing sucks, show sucks.
wow oh wow.. HOW DO WE DEFEND AGAINST SUCH SHORT FALLS!!?!?! OHS NOS!!!!!
seriously man, the same tired shit over and over, yet you don't explain how the hell you can have a show about 48 people, keep it interesting, and yet advance some sort of all encompassing sotryline rapidly enough to suit your desires.
me personally? I would rather see an in depth character study on dozens of characters than Gilligan's Island/Jurassic Park/Fantasy Island or some other such cliched concept.
as for pacing, it is YOU who are mistaken. you want a faster pace, but to what end? as I pointed out before each show is a solid example of individual storytelling yet with an ultimate goal of moving a lrger story forward each episode.
your problem I think is you want the money shot. you want the monster or whatever next episode and then see them running away from it each episode. maybe like we can have a ship come every other episode and find out how they fail to get off of the island yet again.
Seriously though, it's like you don't care about any of the stories being told, you just want to know whats on the island and what they're going to do about that. hence I stand by my comment. go back to your one hour and forty five minute movies and leave the advanced storytelling to the big boys. obviously this is too much for your weathered attention span to deal with.
and no I don't hate you are any such nonsense, but to come in over and over, say the same two vague "complaints" and then poach the rest of us who are actually enjoying it, well, sit back and enjoy the ride because we're just getting started.
borghe said:
I'm not poaching anyone. This entire dialogue has only been between myself, you and Dan. And a bit with Socreges, but at least he's reasonable.
I don't know how to be more specific about my "vague" complaints. The show is drawn out and tedious. Would you like me to break it down frame for frame?
How have I been unreasonable? I come into these threads and comment on the show, good and bad. In each one of these I state what I liked and proceed to criticize one aspect or another, with written explanations.
You, however, have barely even touched on the show itself.
Let's see:
1st post: some vague knock on the show, without having seen the episode in question.
2nd post: some kind of knock against another person that finds your irrelevant comments annoying.
3rd post: an attempt to justify your pointless comments by saying that intelligent discussion is only useful or relevant to Abrams, and that you're unjustified comments are okay because other people agree with you, although all such people said more than you have here.
4th post: "vote or die" yes, I like to raise my post count too.
5th post: some vague knocks on the show without any examples or justifications. Oh, and you try and call everyone here "fanboys", without any regard to whether or not they're actually blind apologists.
6th post: some more empty threats to actually discuss the episode, which you've never followed up on. Called us fanboys again and tried to insinuate that we all think this is by far the best show on television despite no evidence to such beliefs.
7th post: you try to make it sound my problem with you is your opinion, which it is not. My problem is that you don't back your opinion up at all and just bash the people who do enjoy the show, faults and all. More claims of fanboyism, blah blah blah.
8th post: another vague knock on the show's pacing, and the claim that it doesn't aid the story. Again with no justification.
9th post:
You've spent this whole thread actively avoiding any actual discussion. You evade all challenges to back up your points with examples by derailing the thread with namecalling and excuses for your non-participation. If you dislike the show, by all means, do so. But if you're going to come into a thread about it, at least actually say something intelligent. When I bash the hell out of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies, I actually back up my points with real rational arguments. If I wasn't willing to do that, I wouldn't respond at all. It's common courtesy. Do us the same favor.
You, however, have barely even touched on the show itself.
Let's see:
1st post: some vague knock on the show, without having seen the episode in question.
2nd post: some kind of knock against another person that finds your irrelevant comments annoying.
3rd post: an attempt to justify your pointless comments by saying that intelligent discussion is only useful or relevant to Abrams, and that you're unjustified comments are okay because other people agree with you, although all such people said more than you have here.
4th post: "vote or die" yes, I like to raise my post count too.
5th post: some vague knocks on the show without any examples or justifications. Oh, and you try and call everyone here "fanboys", without any regard to whether or not they're actually blind apologists.
6th post: some more empty threats to actually discuss the episode, which you've never followed up on. Called us fanboys again and tried to insinuate that we all think this is by far the best show on television despite no evidence to such beliefs.
7th post: you try to make it sound my problem with you is your opinion, which it is not. My problem is that you don't back your opinion up at all and just bash the people who do enjoy the show, faults and all. More claims of fanboyism, blah blah blah.
8th post: another vague knock on the show's pacing, and the claim that it doesn't aid the story. Again with no justification.
9th post:
You can't get more specific than "drawn out and tedious"? Oh, wait, you also said "slow" earlier. So you can't get more specific than that? You admit to being incapable of providing an example or *gasp* even two? Shit, a bunch of us, including myself, were ragging on the bee scene as being pretty pointless. You could quote us and say you agree and have done the bare minimum to back up your claims. But I guess you'll shoot back that I'm a fanboy despite the fact that in all of these Lost threads I've provided my criticisms, even some of the same ones as you in the earlier threads. I guess placing more value in intelligent discourse than namecalling and vague arguments is somehow equatable to having a "stick up my butt".Willco said:
You've spent this whole thread actively avoiding any actual discussion. You evade all challenges to back up your points with examples by derailing the thread with namecalling and excuses for your non-participation. If you dislike the show, by all means, do so. But if you're going to come into a thread about it, at least actually say something intelligent. When I bash the hell out of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies, I actually back up my points with real rational arguments. If I wasn't willing to do that, I wouldn't respond at all. It's common courtesy. Do us the same favor.
Here are some thoughts that I've been having on the bees. Yes, they were pretty awful cg quality. And yes they served little to no point.
But..bear with me here...what if they did have a few (small) points? It is possible. One thing they did was get Charlie to rely on Locke a little, and kind of solidified a bond the two seem to be developing.
Also, Locke said something about how if you respect the island, than it will make your dreams come true or something to that effect. Well, maybe the reverse is also true. Perhaps the island viewed the drugs as being disrespectful, and it somehow sensed Charlie's deep fear of bees and magically teleported a beehive below his feet.
Well, that was pretty reaching. But the bees also helped reinforce the idea that the island isn't exactly safe. They were the only reminders in this episode that the island is wild and still full of dangers. I mean, sure, no one is going to forget about the monsters, but the bees help to bring the danger to the forefront of your thoughts.
But..bear with me here...what if they did have a few (small) points? It is possible. One thing they did was get Charlie to rely on Locke a little, and kind of solidified a bond the two seem to be developing.
Also, Locke said something about how if you respect the island, than it will make your dreams come true or something to that effect. Well, maybe the reverse is also true. Perhaps the island viewed the drugs as being disrespectful, and it somehow sensed Charlie's deep fear of bees and magically teleported a beehive below his feet.
Well, that was pretty reaching. But the bees also helped reinforce the idea that the island isn't exactly safe. They were the only reminders in this episode that the island is wild and still full of dangers. I mean, sure, no one is going to forget about the monsters, but the bees help to bring the danger to the forefront of your thoughts.
If "slow and tedius", for you, is simply the absence of action and a focus on interactions between characters and the complexities of the situation that they find themselves in, then the only distinction that needs to be made here is that you have a very constricted concept of entertainment. A plane has crashed onto an island, stranding 50 people. After that, the show's execution has impressed me a whole lot and obviously many other people. I personally LIKE underlying tensions without immediate dangers being confronted every fifteen minutes. That's not just "my bag", but I'd say the direction they've taken has been necessary to sustaining the show and making it deeply entertaining.Willco said:
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Here's my feelings on the pacing so far. I really like the show, and am captivated by it. I like the characters, but I feel that captivation could soon turn to annoyance if nothing is resolved by seasons end. There is a fine line between the two, and Abrams already failed at it once.
Socreges said:
Except I don't mind character development at all. This is not character development. Maybe it is if you don't use half your brain. Instead of tightening the pace up and condensing things that don't need to be drawn out, we get scenes that go on forever that we see a mile away. I was being a bit sarcastic about watching the teaser instead of the show, but you really do get the entire plot of the show in a minute without all the shit like, "More flashbacks!" The flashbacks really don't tell you all that much and the could've easily shortened Sun's flashbacks to two.
I think you are confused that when I say the show is boring, that I want more action. No, I don't. Not necessarily. When I say the show is boring, it's because I sit through 75% of it looking at VAGUE HINTS TO THE FUTURE (omg black and white omg!) and unneccessary dialogue.
I'm glad you like the show. I'm on the fence right now, right about to jump off and the only reason I haven't is because the show has impressed me enough to keep watching. I'm glad you think its pacing is necessary, but it's not necessary. Again, that's just personal preference.
You're kidding right? We have IN DEPTH, not even subtle but ACTUAL INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE, on Jack, Jin and Sun, Locke, and Kate so far. We also have a pretty good general sense of knowledge on Michael and Walt, Charlie, pregzilla, Saied(sp?), and hell, even weird black chick who says her husband isn't dead. Not only that but we have actual developments on the island and obvious motivations for why the situation has developed as far as it has? And in 6 spiodes to boot!!Willco said:
I am assuming you mean te backgrounds are predicatable. So you knew from the first episode that locke was a parapylegic, sun was so unhappy that she was about to fake her own abduction, charlie tried (and failed) to bring his dead father home from a reckless AWOL attempt, etc. That was ALL so predictable....
More vague complaints. Ok, you offered to go scene by scene, do it. Because as of right now I have no clue what was drawn out. Hell, with as much as they have already given us there is still tons they haven't.. I feel they have been pretty concise giving us only relevant information while at the same time leaving quite a bit of mystery or at best insinuation there.
OMFG... you are kidding right? There is NO WAY they could have limited Sun's flashbacks to two and still given us a good sense of things? What two? As we have it, they contrasted kind-pas-jin with dick-present-jin and showed you that, yes, he is a good guy, then they showed his progression down a bad path in the name of love and her increasing displeasure, then at the end of it showing that she really does love him and that deep down he really is the same guy... please tell me oh master storyteller, what would you have cut out or how would you have emotioanlly told that back story with only two flashbacks?
I already covered this. I never said you necessarily wanted action. But I did say you effectively want things to wrap up. You are looking for the climax to the present. But my question is, why the hell will I care what happens to these people if I'm not emotionally vested in them? Will I care that locke is a bad ass? eh.. maybe maybe not.. yet another cliche. spiritual old man who can do everything. yeah. oh, but now I know that he faced adversity and went through a miracle. one of the most powerful episodes of the season. And jin just being a continual dick.. he was getting on my nerves, yet now we know where he is coming from and understand PRECISELY why he is the way he is.
You don't want a TV show, you want an hour and forty five minute movie.
This statement taken as is is fine. You still haven't given anything more than vague criticisms that most disagree with, even critics of the show, but you certainly have a right to not like it. BUT, if you want to debate not liking it with us and certainly debate the quality of the show, you better have more than just "it's boring and tedious" to back up your words. Because at this point you really don't look like you know what you are talking about. You have provided not one single specific example.
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I can't believe Wilco would DARE call Lost slow, tedious, character development and in the same year say that Spiderman 2 was the greatest movie of the year. Every week I tune into lost to learn a little more about the characters and their stories. I'm just as interested in how the character cultures will develop as I am the mystery of the island itself. In fact at the moment I'm more interested in the character dynamics and learning more about their backgrounds than I am the island or the monster (the point at which the show is likely to jump the shark to be honest).
umm.. yeah, that's kindda the point.. the island is nothing but the 49th castaway really. while I certainly want to see that "character" develop, I actually want to see its history as much as anyone else's.
The show has done an amazing job of making the characters it has gone into detail on just as interesting as anything that could happen on the island.
I can certainly understand Willco saying "I don't care about their stories, I just want to see what that big thing knocking down trees is." but to say that the pacing is slow would completely fly in the face of them developing back stories of any real meaning for any of the characters.
What I WOULD think is boring and tedious is releasing yet another show with 4-8 pivotal characters trapped on a mysterious island who week in and week out find another clue and narrowly avoid yet another danger, all the while finding yet another reason on why they aren't rescued, etc. Not that it couldn't be interesting just like that, but certainly not enough to make an entire season worth of compelling shows, let alone an actual multi-season TV series.
I can respect him not liking the show and I can even respect his opinion that the pacing is too slow (though I certainly disagree with it), however if they had removed even one single thing from the show as has been shown so far, I CERTAINLY feel the show would be all the poorer for it. Now if you disagree that something in particular that has already been shown is pointless or meandering, THAT is certainly a viable point to debate. But to continue to just say "pacing is slow show sucks" and refuse to back up your problems with anything in specific is just trolling.
The show has done an amazing job of making the characters it has gone into detail on just as interesting as anything that could happen on the island.
I can certainly understand Willco saying "I don't care about their stories, I just want to see what that big thing knocking down trees is." but to say that the pacing is slow would completely fly in the face of them developing back stories of any real meaning for any of the characters.
What I WOULD think is boring and tedious is releasing yet another show with 4-8 pivotal characters trapped on a mysterious island who week in and week out find another clue and narrowly avoid yet another danger, all the while finding yet another reason on why they aren't rescued, etc. Not that it couldn't be interesting just like that, but certainly not enough to make an entire season worth of compelling shows, let alone an actual multi-season TV series.
I can respect him not liking the show and I can even respect his opinion that the pacing is too slow (though I certainly disagree with it), however if they had removed even one single thing from the show as has been shown so far, I CERTAINLY feel the show would be all the poorer for it. Now if you disagree that something in particular that has already been shown is pointless or meandering, THAT is certainly a viable point to debate. But to continue to just say "pacing is slow show sucks" and refuse to back up your problems with anything in specific is just trolling.
Phoenix said:
Uh, because I like Spider-Man and I don't like lost. I don't mind character development, but certainly not in the way Lost is handling. OH NO MY TASTES DIFFER BACK THE TRUCK UP. I don't care if other people like Lost. Good for 'em. People like borghe should get stricken with herpes, though. Socreges likes Lost and defends it as well, but I at least he's reasonable. You can add yourself to that list.
I disagree. The point which the show is most likely to jump the shark is when they focus so much on the characters in a very boring way that they completely ignore the island and its creatures, magick and whatnot, only to end up rushing to some stupid conclusions because the plot has become so convoluted. X-Files: Part II.
For everyone who is attacking Willco, you have to admit that the pacing would be a turn off to some people. This does not mean that the pacing is BAD just that some it doesn't appeal to some people, so maybe it isn't for them. As I've stated, I am enjoying how the pace is going, and I really can't see this show being done any other way, especially if it is going to be an ongoing series. Perhaps if it was a miniseries the show could definitely have a different pace.
And Willco, you have realize that just because you aren't enjoying the pacing of a show doesn't mean that the pacing is bad, it just means that it is not for you. You entered this thread with hostility, you should expect hostile responses. And when people responds to your accusations, saying that they only defend the show because they are fanboys is pretty insulting, and ridiculous since the show has only had six episodes. I don't know, it just seems to me that you don't like this show at all. You said that the pacing far outweighs the things that interest you, but you never said what you like about the show. I'm actually kind of curious what you do like about the show, that it has managed to hold your interest even though you hate the pacing so much.
And Willco, you have realize that just because you aren't enjoying the pacing of a show doesn't mean that the pacing is bad, it just means that it is not for you. You entered this thread with hostility, you should expect hostile responses. And when people responds to your accusations, saying that they only defend the show because they are fanboys is pretty insulting, and ridiculous since the show has only had six episodes. I don't know, it just seems to me that you don't like this show at all. You said that the pacing far outweighs the things that interest you, but you never said what you like about the show. I'm actually kind of curious what you do like about the show, that it has managed to hold your interest even though you hate the pacing so much.
when have they ever ignored the island? And how is the plot anywhere near convoluted? The beauty of the individual back stories are that they have nothing to do with right now except to provide motivations and reasons for why characters are doing what they are doing? Do we need to know that Sun is staying with Jin despite wanting to leave him prior to the crash? No. But does it make her tolerating his overgearing behaviour more interesting? Absolutely! Would locke still be cool as some mysterious spiritual leader who kicked ass at everything? Probably. Is he even cooler knowing that he is just an ordinary pencil pusher who previous to the crash hadn't walked for four years? Without question!Willco said:
They could certainly do as you suggest. Skim the back stories and just get to the meat of what's on the island. But I would genuinely like to hear from you how they could make these castaways stranded on the island interesting for even 24 episodes, let alone two or three seasons, without delving into their back stories, without resorting to formulaic and cliched events, or without presenting us with just braindead Bruckheimer level explosions and action.
Wow, you tell a guy you respect his opinion to not like the show but just want a little more explanation and he hopes you get stricken with herpes. How don't I defend it well. Please tell me anything I've said that is out of line with anything anyone else is saying. I am sorry I am making as in depth arguments as I am that you feel frustrated enough to resort to immature mudslinging as this.Willco said:
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