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brandonh83
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threenote said:
You know who knows how to hate without being annoying? Amir0x. I don't know anyone who hates things more than he does, yet you never, ever see him frequent threads that are about things he despises. He hates Harry Potter, yet no one here has to deal with that in Harry Potter threads. I hate God of War III, but I didn't keep poking in the GOW3 thread to remind everyone that I hate it on a daily basis.
I don't have a problem with people not liking things I do. Everyone has to put up with this, but it's extremely fucking annoying when the same people frequently pop in to lay out their opinions as fact. It's very obnoxious and no one wants to see it. It's trolling, plain and simple.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
That's very true for me, actually. Nowadays, it's the Sideways world that has retroactively left a bigger impact on me.Willy105 said:
There's long stretches of the Island plot in S6 that leaves me either cold, annoyed or just plain bored. Character motivations became fickle and contrived just for the sake of plot progression. A lot of times it felt like the writers were just swapping playing pieces across the board to create a half-hearted sense of tension. And when you got scenes of the motherfuckin' Smoke Monster, a man on an apocalyptic mission, sitting on his ass or whittling a stick for several scenes, it doesn't exactly make for compelling television. What was his motivation for setting up camp again? Waiting for Jack, Hurley and crew to conveniently stumble into his camp a couple of episodes down the road? or something, I dunno.
The temple? The Others? The increasing amount of unnecessarily vague dialogue. The boogeyman "sickness?" Mostly inconsequential, and sometimes, straight-up laughable.
However every little action or piece of dialogue in the sideways suddenly gained an extra layer of importance after the "purgatory" revelation. I could re-watch those scenes multiple times and concoct a hauntingly resonate interpretation of each scene; about what it truly meant, why it was shown to the audience this certain way, etc. I guess I'm just surprised that I ended up finding this sideways diversion more engaging than the "main" Island narrative. You'd think it'd be the other way around in the end, but nope. Even something as abysmal as What Kate Does leveled up a few extra points. Weird, I know :lol
But whenever the Island story finally kicked into gear, it was pure bliss
But those moments were few and far between for me.brandonh83
Banned
We had six seasons worth of island material. I mean how many island scenarios can be written? And there was still good island stuff.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
The scenarios themselves were fine I guess. But I felt the events lacked grounded character motivations, tight plotting, and substantial follow-through.brandonh83 said:
Like I said there was some good stuff here and there. And when it was good, it was GOOD. But not enough to make me think "One of the best seasons."
brandonh83
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Catalix said:
Noted. I think what's interesting to me is that Lost started to have the Harry Potter effect on me. In the first six books, they're mostly at Hogwarts. Now, Hogwarts is a great setting, dumb name aside, full of history and nice backgrounds and whatnot. However, by the sixth book you could almost start to sense Rowling's desire to take the characters elsewhere: it opens in the city of London, Harry and Dumbledore leave Hogwarts to journey to a subterranean cave, and so on. And in the final book, they don't even go to Hogwarts until the climax and that was just awesome because it was great to see the characters somewhere else besides that fucking castle.
I felt the same about Lost, but to a much lesser extent. I think what I liked the most about the last season was that the characters, by that point, were like island vets-- nothing scared them or really tripped them out anymore. It's not a new place to them. That sense of mystery was gone, except for things like the lighthouse and the light cave. I think this might be where you're coming from. In the earlier seasons, there were these frequent hikes they went on into the unknown and that brought about a sense of mystery and even creepiness. One of my absolute favorite segments of the entire show is at the end of the first season when they travel into what they only know as the "Dark Territory." Giacchino's corny, not-good-as-Bear-McCreary music was fucking amazing in that it only played along with the "what's around the corner" vibe.
In season 6 though, a good majority of the island had been shown-- but like an ocean, there's probably a lot to the island in spite of that. So sure, there's always room for exploration and the such but I think it's nice that they didn't cover every single area and show us every single detail. To counter this, in a way, I felt that season 6 went back to the mystery vibe of season 1, in that we didn't know what this flash-sideways universe was or how it connected to the core storyline-- so in a big way, to me it felt like sliding back into some comfortable old shoes. There was a new element of mystery that didn't have to do with island exploration, but still completely related to the island itself.
brandonh83
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Erigu said:
I'd say there's a difference between being negative, and just popping in everyday with the same "Lost sucks" quips. If people don't like it, that's not my problem, but there are a few negative nancies that just chime in randomly to once again tell us that the show sucks.
At least the people who are more positive about it actually have lengthy discussions. If you think they're "barely articulated," that's your opinion but I've seen plenty of in-depth discussions which actually talk about the show, both positive and negative, that aren't relegated down to "it sucks... okay bye see you tomorrow with the same opinion and nothing else to say."
I've contributed quite a bit of discussion in many Lost threads with tons of insight about the characters and story, whereas most of the negative flock just re-hash the same bullshit. Hell I had a few problems with season six and a couple of bigger problems with the entire show in general, and I've never been afraid to relay those thoughts as well.
So no, I once again have to disagree with you.
Is that really so different with positive opinions?brandonh83 said:
I mean... It sounds like you'd have a problem with someone posting to say "just caught a rerun, and boy, I had forgotten how fucking stupid that show was!", but the positive equivalent is pretty common, I believe... Are you OK with that?
You thought I was too concise? :lol
And it actually sounded like you appreciate Amri0x because he's not posting here at all, and, according to you, that's how "to hate without being annoying"... Did I misunderstand you?
I didn't say they all were...
(what "bullshit" are you thinking of, here?)
It's not like I find most of the positive "flock" particularly interesting to read either, personally...
"OMG, when Richard said that they were all dead and there was no island for no good reason whatsoever, that was totally Darlton dropping hints, never mind the fact they weren't dead and there really was an island!"
You know what that reminds me of?
"Dude, that thing in the book of Job was, like, totally a dinosaur!"
"Flock" is often sadly adequate, there...
brandonh83
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Erigu, if it makes you feel any better, I wasn't exactly singling you out. Contrary to what you may believe based on our backs and forths, you don't bother me at all. So lay thy sword down.
And no, all I said was that Amir0x doesn't hate things in an annoying fashion. He's just one person that came to mind that doesn't spew venom in threads about things that he doesn't like. As much as I see him hating on Lost or Harry Potter or something, he doesn't come in the threads and shit them up unlike a few people here.
And no, all I said was that Amir0x doesn't hate things in an annoying fashion. He's just one person that came to mind that doesn't spew venom in threads about things that he doesn't like. As much as I see him hating on Lost or Harry Potter or something, he doesn't come in the threads and shit them up unlike a few people here.
brandonh83
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hamchan said:
They are for both opinions. But here, for the most part it seems that the negative posts are just like "Lost sucks and you're wrong if you think so." Maybe this only applies to a few people. Whatever. It's still obnoxious.
brandonh83
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Solo said:
Well I obviously don't visit every thread. :lol
Just saying, I don't see why some people have the urge to pop in and quip about it sucking. Really doesn't do anything for the discussion at all.
brandonh83
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Erigu said:
I don't. Sure, that's what I think and I've probably expressed that more than once, but I actually talk about the show and try to figure things out, make connections, etc.
brandonh83
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Erigu said:
:lol
brandonh83
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Snuggler said:
Yeah. He doesn't come around with a daily "Lost sucks" post and jets.
evil solrac v3.0
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Erigu said:
if it drowns out your inane and incomplete and incoherent thoughts i'd say it's worth it.
Well, yeah: everybody would win, clearly.evil solrac v3.0 said:
Speaking of incomplete and incoherent thoughts, why did you drop our last conversation?
evil solrac v3.0
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Erigu said:
because i'm at work.THAT WAS LAST WEEK!!!
fine, i'll answer it.
Jack and the others didn't have the means to keep Desmond safe for as long as Desmond was needed. we didn't know yet the Mib wanted to blow up the whole island, jacob couldn't take that.
butter_stick
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Jacob is an idiot. If he didnt do something, "because he's an idiot" should be your first answer.Erigu said:
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Yea, Jacob being a bitch was one of the few things I really liekd about his backstory, actually explains quite a bit about his actions.
evil solrac v3.0
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Erigu said:
he's a god and they aren't. he thinks he always knows better. his back story shows us that he is flawed and prone to rash actions (across the sea) ok, don't wait till next week to ask another question....
Asking Widmore to bring Desmond on the island as a last measure against the Ultimate Bad Guy Who Could Like Totally End The World and then failing to mention that to the last people who are fighting said bad guy and have no idea how to defeat him is one hell of a "flaw".evil solrac v3.0 said:
It's just shitty writing, that's all.
cloud_sleep
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Erigu said:
I tend to agree. It's a bad sign when the only way to try and reconcile the plot is to pin everything on a god-like being acting in a mysterious and douchey manner.
Lost was fantastic until they actually had to try and explain stuff rather than hinting at answers in an enigmatic way. This is partly why S6 wasn't so great, for me. It had to finally attempt to cash the mystery checks written in previous seasons and often the only way to do that was to give Jacob god-like powers and an inscrutable set of motivations. ('Jacob being a dick explains a lot' no doubt echoed around the writer's room loud and often).
And done with season 2.
A lot weaker than the first season, even though there were some strong episodes and an incredible opening. Not really a lot movement on the plot after the initial few episodes, and most of the stronger midseason entries were only that because of their flashbacks.
Best episodes were: Man of Science, Man of Faith, Orientation, ...And Found, Abandoned (aka the one that made me like Shannon), The Long Con, One of Them, The Whole Truth, Lockdown, S.O.S, ?, Live Together, Die Alone. Not really sure how those episodes were received initially, but from watching one after another, those were the ones that stuck out the most.
Half way through A Tale of Two Cities... What a game changer (though I guess the season 2 premiere was as well). I also have been warned about a weak beginning to this season.
A lot weaker than the first season, even though there were some strong episodes and an incredible opening. Not really a lot movement on the plot after the initial few episodes, and most of the stronger midseason entries were only that because of their flashbacks.
Best episodes were: Man of Science, Man of Faith, Orientation, ...And Found, Abandoned (aka the one that made me like Shannon), The Long Con, One of Them, The Whole Truth, Lockdown, S.O.S, ?, Live Together, Die Alone. Not really sure how those episodes were received initially, but from watching one after another, those were the ones that stuck out the most.
Half way through A Tale of Two Cities... What a game changer (though I guess the season 2 premiere was as well). I also have been warned about a weak beginning to this season.
Season three was actually divided up into two sections, each with it's own focus and arc, that first section is pretty weak, or at least in the context of the show at that point, they really force these new characters down your throat. Each season gets a new crew, it's only season three that is so forceful with their integration.
Drealmcc0y
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ivysaur12 said:
I thought 23rd psalm, other 48 days, hunting party, dave and three minutes were all great episodes.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
I think you managed to crystalize one of the things I actually liked most about season 6. I don't remember the exact quote, but either Damon or Carlton said that LOST progresses sort of like a video game. You (and the characters) experience that continual sense of discovery.brandonh83 said:
For this example, I'm gonna specifically equate it to an rpg. The characters start their quests relatively weak and ignorant. On their journey they constantly discover new people and exotic locations, gaining experience along the way. LOST S6 is like the later portion of the game where you get access to an airship. By that point, the characters usually know what's up and are dead set on their endgame mission. Backtracking to an earlier location in the journey makes you realize just how much everyone involved has grown. They know the lay of the land and nothing really surprises them anymore. Like you said, by that point, they're all vets.
It also reminded me a lot of MGS4,
when you return to Shadow Moses. Familiar locations are given a new context through hindsight. Areas they were once ground-zero for climatic confrontations are now reduced to mere checkpoints on your way from A to B. That scene of Snake and Otacon reminiscing in the computer room also reminds me of Jack and Hurley revisiting the fresh water caves.
I really enjoyed how they were able to capture that sense of progression. It was a real treat.
Drealmcc0y said:
Right, I forgot about The Hunting Party. The 23rd Pslam was ok, but I actually didn't enjoy The Other 48 Days as much as I thought I would. It might be my dislike for Ana Lucia that's clouding my like for the episode, though.
Dave was ok. I really, really, really loved Libby and Hurley (and I'm so upset we never got to learn more about Libby... at least not yet) but the flashback wasn't that compelling.
Oh, and there are Nikki and Paulo :-\ Sigh, let's do this.
I'm also so glad that Sun shot Amanda Graystone. I hate that bitch :lol :lol
Drealmcc0y
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ivysaur12 said:
Its OK dude, by the time you reach the end of season 3 its all worth it, you'll see.
Do you happen to know any major twists of the show?
Drealmcc0y
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Willy105 said:
One of my favourite things of the final season is how is went back to the importance of the button.
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