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Aliens?

By the time we get more Lost material, our ridiculous theories are going to be so far removed from the source material that the actual stuff will seem off the rails.

They weren't technically aliens, but it was really interesting how they brought in Dr. Moreau to explain away a lot of the mysteries.

But the end being all Jack's imagination was kind of let down.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

That was the first episode/scene to elicit a "fuck this show" reaction from me. It could've been such a gut-punching moment of brilliance. I was all: "Fuck that was brutal. I didn't think they'd off him so early. Wait, what is that?! Why is the music beginning to swell... ugh no, they are not going there, please no. Don't do it Jack... Ah FUCK. " It's a great example of a scene that starts off brilliant and unexpected and quickly devolves into mawkish and unintentionally funny melodrama. It was completely phony and unearned. Simply awful.

I agree garbage moment. The writers didnt have the balls to kill off their character.

You know what else is garbage? The wire.

Cant believe they didnt have the balls to kill Kima in the first season when you thought for sure she was dead.

The wire officially equals garbage.

 

[dave is ok]

Dreal is every bit as obnoxious as Erigu.

Someone just said they are watching the show and don't like season 6 an he responded with one word: "Explain".

Not to mention the above post in which he is just trolling a show because people consider it better than Lost.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

1. My above post is obviously just joke. Clearly.
2. I just wanted some guy to explain why he didnt like season 6, so we could have some decent discussion.

As obnoxious as erigu, my ass.

 

[big ander]

From Damon on twitter:

For everyone who loved ACROSS THE SEA (all four of you): http://www.teefury.com/

:lol
Fairly cool shirt.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

the best 4 characters on lost in 1 shirt?

will buy

 

[Montresor]

Spotless has sort of a point. When Charlie was revived, in the back of my mind I always have this fleeting thought that it was cheap television, that they didn't have the balls to kill off Charlie. But regardless, the scene is still always going to be a powerful moment for me. I just saw the scene again with my brother (he started to watch the show, and he's already on episode 11 of season 1) and when Kate turned around like I described above, looked up and cried, I couldn't help but tear up... again!

And to be fair, Charlie turned out to be a vital character for the next two seasons. Matter of fact, you could defend the decision to keep Charlie alive by saying it was the island keeping him alive for as long as humanly possible. Charlie had to die, but the island kept him, first with Jack and his stubborness, his refusal to let patients die, and second with Desmond and his temporary divinations, where Desmond continually saved Charlie by already knowing how he was going to die and preventing it.

The island needed Charlie to stay alive, because Charlie was the only one who would be able to play the Beach Boys song at the end of season 3.

 

[big ander]

the best 4 characters on lost in 1 shirt?

will buy

Huh? I don't see Keamy, Phil, Sayid, or Dave on there.

 

[Yaweee]

I honestly can't believe people are criticizing LOST for not letting its main characters die. Has any other show been so brutal to its main characters aside from Evangelion or other "let's fucking kill everybody" sci-fi anime shows? By the end of the finale, there's, what, 3(4) survivors of Oceanic 815, 2 freighter folk, 1 Dharma, 1 Other, and 1 misc. remaining? Out of how many character that have been "leads" through the 6 seasons?

I think there was an interactive EW infographic that showed the expanding cast and how 90+% died over the years.

 

[Montresor]

Phil? I had to look him up on google. I would never put him as one of my favourite characters. =p

Jacob is one of my favourite characters, I love the casting there, the actor just looks so cool, and he's probably an all-powerful god. It's such a shame he died so early after being revealed. =/

 

[WillyFive]

But the end being all Jack's imagination was kind of let down.

What are you talking about?

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Phil? I had to look him up on google. I would never put him as one of my favourite characters. =p

I think he was joking

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Aliens?

By the time we get more Lost material, our ridiculous theories are going to be so far removed from the source material that the actual stuff will seem off the rails.

What are you talking about?

Come on willy

 

[big ander]

This thread needs sarcasm tags more than any other thread on the internet

 

[Montresor]

I loved Keamy though. He had a great voice for an evil character. Beautiful man.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I loved Keamy though. He had a great voice for an evil character. Beautiful man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68lczGhpD4o&playnext=1&list=PL5BB8029AC4714FBE&index=14

0:25

 

[big ander]

I loved Keamy though. He had a great voice for an evil character. Beautiful man.

I do actually loved Keamy, I just kinda pulled out the first four people who came to my mind when I thought "not fan favorites." I don't think anybody loved Phil or Dave, I know a lot of people who hated Sayid for some reason, and Keamy probably just came up because I had eggs this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68lczGhpD4o&playnext=1&list=PL5BB8029AC4714FBE&index=14

0:25

:lol

 

[Blader]

edit - whoops! good point dreal.

 

[Catalix]

^ fuckin' blader :lol I miss that old shtick.

From Damon on twitter:

:lol
Fairly cool shirt.

I love the little debut trailer. :lol

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I dont think nourali has got that far in season 6 yet blader.

douchebag

 

[WillyFive]

Come on willy

What is going on here?

What is this?

 

[Montresor]

I dont think nourali has got that far in season 6 yet blader.

douchebag

All I saw was a picture of Jacob in his post. I actually don't remember what he wrote anymore, but it was something along the lines of "now you're like me." I don't think I got something spoiled - I don't even understand what he said.

Spoilers for season 6 below, warning to all Lost newbies.

Anyway, I'm up to episode 14. The second half of the season has been much, much better. The scenes at the temple at the beginning were very boring. The show has gotten better but one thing really bugs me. The good guys on the island keep switching allegiances every episode. One day they're with the submarine people, the next they're with the black smoke, then back with the submarine, then back with the smoke. Sawyer and the fellas just spent an entire fucking episode planning an escape from the smoke (and in turn an escape off the island via submarine), only to have Jack change his mind and decide he wants to stay on the island. Sawyer and Jack and the fellas were traveling to the submarine camp with a boat; once Jack decided he wanted to stay, he jumped off the boat and swam to the beach. A couple of minutes later Sawyer and the fellas are imprisoned in the bear cages by the submarine folk. A couple of minutes after that the black smoke comes in and kills the submarine folk and Jack helps Sawyer and co escape, claiming "I'm with the smoke now." Is it just me or is this shit happening way too often in season 6?

My point is, these guys have known for awhile that Locke isn't really Locke, that he's an evil black smoke monster, and that Sayid isn't Sayid anymore, but an agent for the smoke monster, and still they find it prudent to trust them.

edit: Another thing: The Richard Alpert episode made my heart melt, and made me enjoy an otherwise lacklustre season (at that point). Richard Alpert is such a beautiful man, and such an an intriguing character. The episode ties off a loose end quite appropriately for my tastes (it answers the question: why doesn't Richard Alpert age?) Sure we don't know exactly why or how Jacob is so powerful, but we know he's practically a god, and that he has the ability to grant people immortality, and that's enough for me. What I like is that the gift wasn't thrown around lightly - Alpert got it as a reward for doing something very valuable, for agreeing to be Jacob's right hand man.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I was just joking blader aint no douche

Btw I just bought the t shirt Its the first bit of lost merchandise(aside from the blu rays) that ive ever bought.

 

[Blader]

My point is, these guys have known for awhile that Locke isn't really Locke, that he's an evil black smoke monster, and that Sayid isn't Sayid anymore, but an agent for the smoke monster, and still they find it prudent to trust them.

Jack and Sawyer use Locke for their own purposes, neither of them actually trust him.

And in any case, Locke was the one who brought Jack over to the other island, it's not like he chose to go there.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Jack and Sawyer use Locke for their own purposes, neither of them actually trust him.

And in any case, Locke was the one who brought Jack over to the other island, it's not like he chose to go there.

Yeah im not sure what nourali is on about here

 

[Drealmcc0y]

All I saw was a picture of Jacob in his post. I actually don't remember what he wrote anymore, but it was something along the lines of "now you're like me." I don't think I got something spoiled - I don't even understand what he said.

Spoilers for season 6 below, warning to all Lost newbies.

Anyway, I'm up to episode 14. The second half of the season has been much, much better. The scenes at the temple at the beginning were very boring. The show has gotten better but one thing really bugs me. The good guys on the island keep switching allegiances every episode. One day they're with the submarine people, the next they're with the black smoke, then back with the submarine, then back with the smoke. Sawyer and the fellas just spent an entire fucking episode planning an escape from the smoke (and in turn an escape off the island via submarine), only to have Jack change his mind and decide he wants to stay on the island. Sawyer and Jack and the fellas were traveling to the submarine camp with a boat; once Jack decided he wanted to stay, he jumped off the boat and swam to the beach. A couple of minutes later Sawyer and the fellas are imprisoned in the bear cages by the submarine folk. A couple of minutes after that the black smoke comes in and kills the submarine folk and Jack helps Sawyer and co escape, claiming "I'm with the smoke now." Is it just me or is this shit happening way too often in season 6?

My point is, these guys have known for awhile that Locke isn't really Locke, that he's an evil black smoke monster, and that Sayid isn't Sayid anymore, but an agent for the smoke monster, and still they find it prudent to trust them.

edit: Another thing: The Richard Alpert episode made my heart melt, and made me enjoy an otherwise lacklustre season (at that point). Richard Alpert is such a beautiful man, and such an an intriguing character. The episode ties off a loose end quite appropriately for my tastes (it answers the question: why doesn't Richard Alpert age?) Sure we don't know exactly why or how Jacob is so powerful, but we know he's practically a god, and that he has the ability to grant people immortality, and that's enough for me. What I like is that the gift wasn't thrown around lightly - Alpert got it as a reward for doing something very valuable, for agreeing to be Jacob's right hand man.

You need to give us your feedback of episode 15 "Across the Sea". Its the most controversial episode of lost along with the finale.

 

[Catalix]

All I saw was a picture of Jacob in his post. I actually don't remember what he wrote anymore, but it was something along the lines of "now you're like me." I don't think I got something spoiled - I don't even understand what he said.

Spoilers for season 6 below, warning to all Lost newbies.

Anyway, I'm up to episode 14. The second half of the season has been much, much better. The scenes at the temple at the beginning were very boring. The show has gotten better but one thing really bugs me. The good guys on the island keep switching allegiances every episode. One day they're with the submarine people, the next they're with the black smoke, then back with the submarine, then back with the smoke. Sawyer and the fellas just spent an entire fucking episode planning an escape from the smoke (and in turn an escape off the island via submarine), only to have Jack change his mind and decide he wants to stay on the island. Sawyer and Jack and the fellas were traveling to the submarine camp with a boat; once Jack decided he wanted to stay, he jumped off the boat and swam to the beach. A couple of minutes later Sawyer and the fellas are imprisoned in the bear cages by the submarine folk. A couple of minutes after that the black smoke comes in and kills the submarine folk and Jack helps Sawyer and co escape, claiming "I'm with the smoke now." Is it just me or is this shit happening way too often in season 6?

My point is, these guys have known for awhile that Locke isn't really Locke, that he's an evil black smoke monster, and that Sayid isn't Sayid anymore, but an agent for the smoke monster, and still they find it prudent to trust them.

edit: Another thing: The Richard Alpert episode made my heart melt, and made me enjoy an otherwise lacklustre season (at that point). Richard Alpert is such a beautiful man, and such an an intriguing character. The episode ties off a loose end quite appropriately for my tastes (it answers the question: why doesn't Richard Alpert age?) Sure we don't know exactly why or how Jacob is so powerful, but we know he's practically a god, and that he has the ability to grant people immortality, and that's enough for me. What I like is that the gift wasn't thrown around lightly - Alpert got it as a reward for doing something very valuable, for agreeing to be Jacob's right hand man.

Yes, the back and forth camp-switching is annoyingly arbitrary. There's very little long term consequence between the character relationships, just the writers spinning their wheels by building a false sense of tension.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Is your avatar from MGS catalix?

 

[Montresor]

Jack and Sawyer use Locke for their own purposes, neither of them actually trust him.

And in any case, Locke was the one who brought Jack over to the other island, it's not like he chose to go there.

Well when Jack freed them from the bear cage, I thought I heard him say "I'm with the smoke now." Maybe I'm wrong, but even if Jack did not say this, even if you're right and Jack was froced to go to hydra island with Faux-Locke, the entire gang still completely switches allegiances to Locke. They end up hiking with Locke to the indian aeroplane in the hopes of leaving the island (changing their minds once again, from submarine escape to aeroplane escape).

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Yeah Jack does say "im with locke now" and the losties follow them, doesnt mean they trust locke.

 

[Catalix]

Is your avatar from MGS catalix?

la li lu le lo :]

it rotates between all 12 of 'em too.

 

[Spotless Mind]

I agree garbage moment. The writers didnt have the balls to kill off their character.

You know what else is garbage? The wire.

Cant believe they didnt have the balls to kill Kima in the first season when you thought for sure she was dead.

The wire officially equals garbage.

If it wasn't already obvious from my post, my problem wasn't so much that they didn't have the guts to kill him off (although that certainly plays into it to a degree), it was the ultra clichéd and overbearingly manipulative execution of the scene that bothered me. They completely invalidated a great moment to show, yet again, that Jack has a persistent need to fix people! *eyeroll*

I know you are joking about The Wire, but you do bring it up a lot (jokingly, of course!) when refuting people, which makes you look oh so desperate. :lol

 

[Drealmcc0y]

You're right, im desperate.

 

[Nameless]

How fuckin crazy is it that it's almost been a year since LA X? A year!!

 

[WillyFive]

This show should never have ended.

 

[Nameless]

This show should never have ended.

If we do what's in Faraday's journal....

 

[Drealmcc0y]

If we do what's in Faraday's journal....

 

[Salmonax]

If it wasn't already obvious from my post, my problem wasn't so much that they didn't have the guts to kill him off (although that certainly plays into it to a degree), it was the ultra clichéd and overbearingly manipulative execution of the scene that bothered me.

I personally liked how it went to the wide shot as if to communicate "it's over" and then Jack just digs in again. It's definitely manipulative, but I felt it was reasonably clever. And really it's all about Evangeline Lilly's performance in that scene.

Yes, the back and forth camp-switching is annoyingly arbitrary. There's very little long term consequence between the character relationships, just the writers spinning their wheels by building a false sense of tension.

Totally agreed. They really needed to come up with a few actual objectives for the characters in Season 6 rather than having them go back and forth with nothing really happening. It didn't help the writers that they eliminated travel time completely by having the characters essentially warp around from place to place.

It's amazing that, for several episodes, they actually had these characters who had been built up over several seasons just sitting around the temple, sleeping, or playing tic tac toe. That's the best they could come up with? I liked a lot of Season 6, but there just wasn't enough for the characters to do.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I agree that season 6 would have been better if it was 2 episodes less.

O well.

 

[Catalix]

If we do what's in Faraday's journal....

All the misery of season 6. It'll wipe it clean.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

f you

 

[Drealmcc0y]

How much time in the first 3 seasons was spent "twiddling their thumbs"?

A hell of alot more than season 6.

and people talk about how tight season 4 is, theirs alot of time, stuck on the freighter or just hanging out on the beach(ji yeon) or drinking wine in dharmaville(eggtown).

Lets not forget the abomination of The Other Women

 

[Catalix]

f you

that's not your line goddammit! :lol

 

[Drealmcc0y]

It was NOT all misery!

 

[Catalix]

well enough of it w--

oh wait no you're right

 

[Erigu]

I honestly can't believe people are criticizing LOST for not letting its main characters die.

It's just that the scene was ridiculous (so the bad guy is being chased but somehow managed to hang Charlie? what?) and cheap (let's have an emotional death scene with no consequences! win/win!).

I certainly don't need a show to kill main characters left and right, personally. But Lost sure was willing to unceremoniously kill a lot of peripheral characters (basically, as soon as they had served their purpose as plot devices) while keeping pretty much all the "episode 1 cast" around long after they ran out of things to do with them (the Ajira passengers apparently all dropped dead just because they were there at all, whereas the main cast actually benefited from standing right next to an hydrogen bomb as it went off... now, that's just cheating, people).

This show should never have ended.

The very show was a mistake in the first place.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

fuck that ^ im going to bed

 

[Dez]

It's just that the scene was ridiculous (so the bad guy is being chased but somehow managed to hang Charlie? what?) and cheap (let's have an emotional death scene with no consequences! win/win!).

I certainly don't need a show to kill main characters left and right, personally. But Lost sure was willing to unceremoniously kill a lot of peripheral characters (basically, as soon as they had served their purpose as plot devices) while keeping pretty much all the "episode 1 cast" around long after they ran out of things to do with them (the Ajira passengers apparently all dropped dead just because they were there at all, whereas the main cast actually benefited from standing right next to an hydrogen bomb as it went off... now, that's just cheating, people).



The very show was a mistake in the first place.

I personally thought that scene was way too Hollywood at the time.. But given what we eventually learned about the healing powers of the island, I can buy that he was revived.

 

[brandonh83]

fuck that ^ im going to bed

:lol

 

[Catalix]

How much time in the first 3 seasons was spent "twiddling their thumbs"?

A hell of alot more than season 6.

and people talk about how tight season 4 is, theirs alot of time, stuck on the freighter or just hanging out on the beach(ji yeon) or drinking wine in dharmaville(eggtown).

Lets not forget the abomination of The Other Women

I've been trying to put my finger on it. A few things probably made those instances of "downtime" more acceptable in earlier seasons. First, we were still getting to know the characters intimately. That sense of discovery was still fresh. Second, the ramifications of various bonds and rifts that developed between characters carried more weight, with lasting effects that weren't brushed off at the drop of a hat. Basically, the characters still mostly acted like reasonably relateable human beings that didn't have the memory of a gold fish. It seems like the writers were able to operate a lot more "in the moment" back then, making the characters' actions genuinely engaging from episode to episode.

In addition, the lack of urgency and overall motivation didn't exactly make for the most compelling narratives. A Smoke Monster sat on a log whittling a stick, literally waiting for the next piece of the plot to waltz into his camp. Most of the characters idly sat by and showed little initiative or concern. They were mostly dragged around on a whim, wherever the plot needed them at the time. Here, it seems the writers lost sight of what it took to craft compelling character conflicts for the "Island present" narrative. They just kept things super loose and inconsequential for most of the season, biding their time until shit finally hit the fan in the last string of episodes. They were probably too busy focusing most of their energy on getting the puzzle pieces into their final positions in order to complete the bigger picture.

But it's the final chapter of an epic emotional journey; the stakes have been raised. Almost any threat the castaways faced was very vague and ultimately unfulfilling to watch. DON'T LET HIM SPEAK TO YOU... or just chat away, no biggie. DARKNESS IS BAD... for some reason, i dunno. I'm sure it all sounded more intriguing on paper. But onscreen, it all played out in a very *blah* fashion.

also, eggtown and other woman are indeed poor episodes. I won't defend them.