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Snuggler said:
I guess that series of events also lead to some conflict in the group of survivors, and Jack being trapped under the rocks as well.

I just see it like this, you dont have to see it like I do.

MiB tries to kill a candidate indirectly. He fails so he sets up a plan where he could gain some trust in Jack and end up trying to come up with a plan to kill many of them at once.(The sub in season 6)

Did the writers know this back then? I dont know, probably not, but it makes sense to me.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Two Players, Two Sides, One is Light, One is Dark.
Still with that nonsense, really?
That's as generic as it gets, man. Certainly not evidence that "a plan was in motion" or that they knew where they were going at all.

Adam and Eve = Origins
Highly specific, once again. And since it was just Locke saying that, not exactly binding either.

The fact that Darlton specifically said 3 seasons before it happened, that this was proof of a plan.
Except it wasn't. And how could it have been, anyway? That was a stupid claim in the first place, as those were just two skeletons on a forsaken island, and anybody could come up with a bunch of different possible explanations for them after the fact (and many could do a far better job at it than Lindelof and Cuse, too).

Whats yours?
Those two skeletons simply couldn't be 2000 years-old.
It would be idiotic to have Jack comment on their appearance/clothing like that if they were supposed to be.
The bodies were separated back in season 1 and side by side in season 6 (both in the past (Across the Sea) and the present (Lighthouse)).
Lindelof and Cuse said that the anagram "Mittelos" / "lost time" was an important clue that shed some light on the skeletons (and also hinted at a larger mystery later in season 3): * *. Was it really, now?
Based on the events of the last seasons, those skeletons being those of Mommy and Blackie is a bit odd for the former (Jacob's body sure didn't last long, compared to his predecessor's) and quite contrived for the latter (the guy turned into the Smoke Monster, but conveniently left a dead body behind, dead body that magically resurfaced elsewhere and, according to a specialist, didn't have signs of major trauma on the bones despite the fall). In short: forced.
Certainly not signs that the writers knew where they were going. On the contrary, like I said.


oatmeal said:
your "Two Players, Two Sides, One is Light, One is Dark. Adam and Eve = Origins" type posts don't help your case either.
Stop agreeing with me, it's disturbing!


Salmonax said:
I personally don't believe they had a plan for Adam and Eve or the backgammon speech, although I'm not in the camp that a show needs to have been 100% mapped out to be enjoyable.
Neither am I. But if you're going to improvise, don't pretend otherwise over and over again, and pay some care (judging from all the nonsense on the show, they clearly didn't).


oatmeal said:
That's why the ending that they used in the church was, as that ex-Bad Robot employee said, exactly as JJ first wrote it.
If that guy was legit/telling the truth... and I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I hope in another year or undetermined amount of time, they let the bible out.
Good luck with that.


Salmonax said:
I don't appreciate the red herring of the island being underwater in the afterlife.
I really don't think that was a red herring. I'd say they "just" (heh) changed their mind about the nature of the flashsideways while writing the last season.


Snuggler said:
One of the few things that they seemed to be consistent with through out the entire series is the Smoke Monster.
... Eh?

I'm sure someone like Erigu could still point out some inconsistencies
"Some"? Dude, what wasn't inconsistent?
Loved how they dealt with Ben's "summoning device", in the end, for example: "I wasn't summoning the monster: it was summoning me!" That makes no sense whatsoever, but case closed, I guess!

it seems like it was handled better than most of the long-term plotlines in the show.
I'm tempted to reply with an easy "... and that's saying something!"... but I can't bring myself to it. It was really, really bad, even for Lost.

I rewatched the first Jack-centric episode (White Rabbit) and seeing the manifestation of Christian made a lot of sense now, knowing it was just Smokey using the form of Christian to manipulate Jack.
But... But... How does it make sense? Why would...


Salmonax said:
why would the MIB want to show all the candidates where to get water? Wouldn't he rather they just died of natural causes, saving him a lot of trouble?
Yes, thank you!
And he talks to Vincent, tells Locke to move the island, shows up centuries ago (still as Christian, mind you) to tell him to go fetch Hawking in Los Angeles, makes Hurley jump by appearing both as Christian and as a spooky eye, tells Sun about Jin being in the 70s DHARMA and the journey ahead of her (what journey, again?)... What are his motivations, again? And that's just counting his apparitions as Christian...


Drealmcc0y said:
He tried to drive Jack off a cliff indirectly.
If that's not against the rules (those weird rules that say that trying to stop the timer of a bomb is just like planting the bomb yourself), why did he give up on that idea? Shouldn't be too hard, for a Smoke Monster: just chase them off a cliff. "I didn't push them, their legs did all the job!" Done.

MiB tries to kill a candidate indirectly. He fails so he sets up a plan where he could gain some trust in Jack and end up trying to come up with a plan to kill many of them at once.(The sub in season 6)
Such a great plan, like said above.
Also, I admire how the guy takes the watch of one of Widmore's goons even before discovering the explosives in the plane. The guy sure thinks ahead. He finds those explosives right away, too. And then, he manages to turn all that into some fancy bomb with a timer that runs faster if you try and fail to disarm it. Without anybody noticing.
That's pretty good, for a Smoke Monster that gave up on chasing people off a cliff.

it makes sense to me.
Maybe you're special, like the Man in Black ("water + light + wheel = teleportation! of course!").
 
Erigu said:
Still with that nonsense, really?
That's as generic as it gets, man. Certainly not evidence that "a plan was in motion" or that they knew where they were going at all.


Highly specific, once again. And since it was just Locke saying that, not exactly binding either.


Except it wasn't. And how could it have been, anyway? That was a stupid claim in the first place, as those were just two skeletons on a forsaken island, and anybody could come up with a bunch of different possible explanations for them after the fact (and many could do a far better job at it than Lindelof and Cuse, too).


Those two skeletons simply couldn't be 2000 years-old.
It would be idiotic to have Jack comment on their appearance/clothing like that if they were supposed to be.
The bodies were separated back in season 1 and side by side in season 6 (both in the past (Across the Sea) and the present (Lighthouse)).
Lindelof and Cuse said that the anagram "Mittelos" / "lost time" was an important clue that shed some light on the skeletons (and also hinted at a larger mystery later in season 3): * *. Was it really, now?
Based on the events of the last seasons, those skeletons being those of Mommy and Blackie is a bit odd for the former (Jacob's body sure didn't last long, compared to his predecessor's) and quite contrived for the latter (the guy turned into the Smoke Monster, but conveniently left a dead body behind, dead body that magically resurfaced elsewhere and, according to a specialist, didn't have signs of major trauma on the bones despite the fall). In short: forced.
Certainly not signs that the writers knew where they were going. On the contrary, like I said.



Stop agreeing with me, it's disturbing!



Neither am I. But if you're going to improvise, don't pretend otherwise over and over again, and pay some care (judging from all the nonsense on the show, they clearly didn't).



If that guy was legit/telling the truth... and I wouldn't be so sure about that.


Good luck with that.



I really don't think that was a red herring. I'd say they "just" (heh) changed their mind about the nature of the flashsideways while writing the last season.



... Eh?


"Some"? Dude, what wasn't inconsistent?
Loved how they dealt with Ben's "summoning device", in the end, for example: "I wasn't summoning the monster: it was summoning me!" That makes no sense whatsoever, but case closed, I guess!


I'm tempted to reply with an easy "... and that's saying something!"... but I can't bring myself to it. It was really, really bad, even for Lost.


But... But... How does it make sense? Why would...



Yes, thank you!
And he talks to Vincent, tells Locke to move the island, shows up centuries ago (still as Christian, mind you) to tell him to go fetch Hawking in Los Angeles, makes Hurley jump by appearing both as Christian and as a spooky eye, tells Sun about Jin being in the 70s DHARMA and the journey ahead of her (what journey, again?)... What are his motivations, again? And that's just counting his apparitions as Christian...



If that's not against the rules (those weird rules that say that trying to stop the timer of a bomb is just like planting the bomb yourself), why did he give up on that idea? Shouldn't be too hard, for a Smoke Monster: just chase them off a cliff. "I didn't push them, their legs did all the job!" Done.


Such a great plan, like said above.
Also, I admire how the guy takes the watch of one of Widmore's goons even before discovering the explosives in the plane. The guy sure thinks ahead. He finds those explosives right away, too. And then, he manages to turn all that into some fancy bomb with a timer that runs faster if you try and fail to disarm it. Without anybody noticing.
That's pretty good, for a Smoke Monster that gave up on chasing people off a cliff.


Maybe you're special, like the Man in Black ("water + light + wheel = teleportation! of course!").

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Repairman_Jack7 said:
I like how it's a combination of the vans. Dharma and the terrorists from BTTF, note the gun on the top.

Of course, don't forget the time travel modifications from the DeLorean, right down to the exhaust ports/flying machine at the back.
 
A full month without a post...

Is everyone finally letting go?

:(

I still listen to the OST's daily, and I'm listening to the weekly Jay and Jack rewatch podcast. I'm not watching along with them, but it's still fun to listen. I think as long as that show is going, I'll still be somewhat LOST focused.
 
Every time I look over at my shelf and see the LOST collection just sitting there collecting dust I think to myself "nah man, it's still too soon for a rewatch" and I find something else to do.
 
Can't afford to buy the blu-ray boxset and that's the only way I'll rewatch. The person I want to re-watch with is super busy. She's the one I watched it all together with originally. We only watched the final season on air week to week.

Other than that it, every so often I think about Lost, Firefly, or Wonder Years and get depressed and focus on things I've never seen before to fill voids.
 
maruchan said:
hope you guys help support fringe.. jorge garcia is on fringe tonight...

fringe is gonna have time supporting jorge garcia if you know what I mean

talking about their sets lol
 
oatmeal said:
A full month without a post...

Is everyone finally letting go?

:(

Nope. I'm on Numbers(S1) of my rewatch since the show ended. Ab Aeterno aired a year ago tomorrow!!! I still remember drinking some beer and crying to that episode. Great acting by Richard!!!

Surprised most of you haven't begun to rewatch it, as it has almost been a year. Still yet to rewatch S6 of the show(except the finale) since the show ended so it will be nice to finally rewatch that season for the first time. Probably seen all the other seasons 4-5 times.
 
I re-watched the final season once I got the DVD, but I haven't seen the show since then. I think maybe this summer I might start my re-watch of the series. I got too much other stuff going on at school to do a re-watch now.
 
I'm just about to start season 2 of my rewatch. I'm pretty giddy about meeting Desmond (omg spoilerz) again.

Gotta say, Arzt's sudden.. ness.. was still a freaking shocker. And Locke was as mesmerizing as ever. Anyway, I could go on and on.
 
Iceman said:
I'm just about to start season 2 of my rewatch. I'm pretty giddy about meeting Desmond (omg spoilerz) again.

WOO! I've caught up to you. Season One complete, again. So many good episodes in Season One that it is hard to mention just a couple because then you want to list more. Born To Run is probably the worst episode though. I think we can all agree upon that!

Top 7 S1 Eps IMO.
Outlaws
The Moth
The Greater Good
Solitary
Do No Harm
Walkabout
White Rabbit
 
ErasureAcer said:
Nope. I'm on Numbers(S1) of my rewatch since the show ended. Ab Aeterno aired a year ago tomorrow!!! I still remember drinking some beer and crying to that episode. Great acting by Richard!!!

Surprised most of you haven't begun to rewatch it, as it has almost been a year. Still yet to rewatch S6 of the show(except the finale) since the show ended so it will be nice to finally rewatch that season for the first time. Probably seen all the other seasons 4-5 times.


Ive been re watching. Rewatched the entire series 1-6 since the finale twice now. Did it once from DVD and DVR for S6 before the blu-ray came out. Then on the Blu-ray.

I'm about to start what will be close to my 20th rematch of the series, excluding 5 & 6 Ive seen 5 probe close to 8 times and 6 only 3.

Then again I'm up their with the biggest fans of LOST. Just got my LOST decal for iPad.

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Slime said:
But does anyone else feel that season 2 is agonizingly slow? I never minded it as much before, but this time around I'm getting kind of impatient. Enough with the hatch! Enough WAAAALLLLLLT! Just let me see that amazing Desmond flashback episode, please.

Blader5489 said:
Everyone feels that way.

(except for Birdie maybe :lol)

Bullshit, Season 2 is my favorite season of the entire series by far.
 
But does anyone else feel that season 2 is agonizingly slow?

I'm about to start it (tonight).. I'll time it for y'all. I do remember there being a lull somewhere there in the middle. But looming conversations with Henry Gale has me all giddy with anticipation and will (hopefully) help me push through.
 
Iceman said:
I'm about to start it (tonight).. I'll time it for y'all. I do remember there being a lull somewhere there in the middle. But looming conversations with Henry Gale has me all giddy with anticipation and will (hopefully) help me push through.

We can chat anytime you like
 
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to S2 too much. Michael runs off into the woods like 3 times and thus we have 3 wasted episodes. But then again we have 2 awesome Eko episodes...so that makes up for it I guess. Still so pissed Eko held out of the series finale cuz of $$$. Would have loved to see him one last time.
 
Up to Three Minutes! Only Live Together, Die Alone after that. Woo. This season wasn't as bad as I recall although it is tough to find many awesome episodes in this season that rank amongst the best of the series.

Top 7 episodes of S2 in no particular order:

Man of Science, Man of Faith
What Kate Did
The 23rd Psalm
One Of Them
The Whole Truth
Lockdown
Dave

Obviously, the season picks up with Henry Gale. On this rewatch I've realized that Michael episodes are worse than Kate episodes. Adrift is crap. Special, from S1, is mediocre at best...I'm about to watch 3 Minutes which if I recall is crap. Meet Kevin Johnson is crap. At least Kate has one redeeming episode, What Kate Did. I guess we can throw Claire's episodes into the crap category as well. Although Maternity Leave this season is decent. Her other episodes...you guessed it...crap.
 
Obviously, the season picks up with Henry Gale. On this rewatch I've realized that Michael episodes are worse than Kate episodes. Adrift is crap. Special, from S1, is mediocre at best...I'm about to watch 3 Minutes which if I recall is crap. Meet Kevin Johnson is crap. At least Kate has one redeeming episode, What Kate Did. I guess we can throw Claire's episodes into the crap category as well. Although Maternity Leave this season is decent. Her other episodes...you guessed it...crap.

Seasons 1 & 2 has the most classic Lost episodes, but they are held back a bit by all the filler episodes. I love me some Lost, but 23-25 episodes in a single season of a TV drama is a lot. There are probably several episodes in the first three seasons that could have been cut out entirely.

Still, I miss this show. Once I'm done with Six Feet Under I think I'll finally do a rewatch since it's almost been a year since the finale.
 
Season 2 is notable for bringing the mythology of Lost into the spotlight. Season 1 introduced the characters, but other than a few sightings of the smoke monsters, it was just a generic survivor story with great personal stories. It wasn't until Season 2 that we really saw Dharma, the science fiction, the fantasy, the button, and what made Lost iconic.

However, other than that, it was a boring season, since it was almost all exposition. I wouldn't call any Lost season 'worst', because that would imply they were bad, but Season 2 is probably the least notable one in terms of stuff actually happening.
 
What was Locke doing for the 3 years that the Oceanic Six spent away from the island? I expected him to become godlike with his knowledge of the island.
 
I've had the LOST BR set sitting untouched since Xmas. And I've probably only seen ~60% of the show (I was a casual viewer).

In a weird way, the immenseness of the box set is actually making it harder to pick it up. I know that if I start, I need to start from the beginning, and burn through the entire show.

It will be glorious but... that's a heck of a time commitment, ha. The wife and I are still working though Mad Men, I have games & books to get through, etc. I'm just not ready for ~120 hours of LOST, right now.

Maybe over the summer.
 
PumpkinPie said:
What was Locke doing for the 3 years that the Oceanic Six spent away from the island? I expected him to become godlike with his knowledge of the island.

There was no 3 year gap for Locke. He lead Sawyer, Juliet, et al. around the island when it was time-skipping (which was for like a day or so), then he turns the wheel, and flashes off the island, 3 years into the future. Then he dies him some weeks/months later.
 
GDJustin said:
I've had the LOST BR set sitting untouched since Xmas. And I've probably only seen ~60% of the show (I was a casual viewer).

In a weird way, the immenseness of the box set is actually making it harder to pick it up. I know that if I start, I need to start from the beginning, and burn through the entire show.

It will be glorious but... that's a heck of a time commitment, ha. The wife and I are still working though Mad Men, I have games & books to get through, etc. I'm just not ready for ~120 hours of LOST, right now.

Maybe over the summer.

Over the summer would be a good time. This show will take over your spare thinking time, whether you get it or not.
 
Okay, so I made my boyfriend watch the Pilot with me a few months ago, and since then he's been hooked. He finished watching all six seasons yesterday, so I asked him what he thought of each season. This is what he sent me today via Facebook:

Season 1: A+

Best first season of any show I've seen. Equal amounts mystery and conclusion. Surprises at every corner, and they did a great job of holding your curiosity throughout. I was worried that this was going to be a Robin Crusoe variant but thankfully there were plenty of supernatural elements sprinkled in from the start. They kept piling on mystery after mystery to a genius degree, to where you felt that there were big things to discover on this island, and not to the point that you felt overwhelmed or confused.

Best episode: Walkabout

Best scene: Jack beating down on Charlie to wake him up, Kate freaking out like "No Jack Stop it's over can't you see" and Jack's all "no I'm Jack I can do this"

Finale grade: A

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Season 2: C+

What happened? Okay, maybe it wasn't as bad as I'm remembering it right now, because all I can think about right now is the other 48 passengers, and the endless meandering in the hatch, and annoying-ass Michael, and more of Jack being a douche. Ana Lucia wasn't a character I cared for, and even though the writers really wanted me to, I didn't give a shit about Mr. Eko. The season still has some of the better episodes though.

Best episode: Lockdown

Best scene: Sayid torturing Henry Gale. WTF. That was genuinely scary.

Finale grade: B-

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Season 3: B-

I like to think of it as two different seasons; the first 2/3 of it as the extended arc from Season 2 (i.e. terribad) and the last 6 or so episodes as a standalone arc of incalculable brilliance on television. The first 2/3 had its moments, like shirtless Sawyer, Juliet, and of course Ben. Actually come to think of it, I would raise the score of the whole season a letter grade just for Ben. What a brilliant character.

Best episode: Through the Looking Glass

Best scene: Pick one

Finale Grade: A+

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Season 4: B+

You know that I hated the flashforwards from the start, but by the second half of the season I was starting to warm up to them. Episodes like Eggtown just weren't interesting to me, but the little moments on the island and the freighter (Jacob, Keamy, Faraday) kept the momentum going. At this point I just want Jack to die in a fire. The finale was sheer brilliance though. Very action-packed, and with by far the biggest twist on any of the six finales. And I didn't care for the Constant.

Best episode: There's No Place like Home, Part 2

Best scene: The big coffin reveal. WTF

Finale Grade: A+

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Season 5: B+

This season is the hardest to pin down for me, because for one it was by far the most ambitious season in terms of the content it was dealing with, and also because the structure of the narrative was a bit different from past seasons as well. I still look back and think that maybe I didn't quite grasp every little detail of it, but maybe that's a testament to how great it is. I would say that this is BEST season 5 of any show of this caliber (if that makes any sense), because by this time a show like this could easily become stale, but the writers managed to not only turn the show on its head, but also make it perfectly relevant to the show's dynamic while managing to moving the narrative forward. Were there stale moments? YES. Was the finale face-splodingly awesome? YES. The finale does the best job of creating anticipation for the next season, and it really created a tone of both finality and newborn potential in the series.

Best episode: The Incident

Best scene: "Come on you son of a bitch!" BOOOMM

Finale grade: A+

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Season 6: A+

I started off wary that the season that's meant to unravel all these mysteries had a narrative that wasn't going to be figured out until the finale. The beauty of the flash-sideways was that I KNEW that the writers were throwing hints at me constantly, and I KNEW that if I was looking in the right places I would have this whole show figured out. I knew there was something about the reflections, and the suddenly changed outlooks on life (think Hugo and John Locke). The brilliance of season 6 is not in how many mysteries it solves (and I realized going into the season that just getting answers on Walt, the cabin and the numbers isn't going to satisfy me long-haul), but in how it manages to balance completely different narrative dynamics. There was both rebirth (flash-sideways) and finality, there was both science fiction and mythology. John Locke as the MIB was by far the best villain the show has ever had. Across the Sea was like an ancient Greek mythology put on screen; superficial and riddled with loose ends, but still somehow holds this omnipotent aura about it that earns the viewer's respect and acceptance. The finale kept me in tears throughout, and the final twist 2 minutes before the end was the most satisfying final turning point the show's ever had. Brilliant end to a brilliant show.

Best episode: The Candidate

Best scene: Hugs and laughs in the church. I was SHAKING.

Finale grade: A+

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I pretty much agree with him, except for maybe what he said about season 2. He was really close to giving up on the show around halfway through it, but I had to reassure him that things look up. We both thought Eko was a pretentious character, and I think he kinda figured out from the start that the character was gonna be shortlived.
 
Blader5489 said:
There was no 3 year gap for Locke. He lead Sawyer, Juliet, et al. around the island when it was time-skipping (which was for like a day or so), then he turns the wheel, and flashes off the island, 3 years into the future. Then he dies him some weeks/months later.

:( The whole show was about Locke for me, what a great character.
 
Just to be safe: SPOILERS

Does anybody else feel like Lost episode 'The End' and the song by The Beatles 'The End' share a very similar message? The End is Lost's swan-song. We see each of these characters reach the end of these arc, upon which they realise that they I all needed each other. As Christian said, 'the most important part of your life, is the time you spent with these people.' The song The End by The Beatles was the last song they recorded together, each member got their own solo, including Ringo's only drum solo in the whole of his career with The Beatles, and song ends on the line 'And in the end, the love you make is equal to the love you take.' Which is very similar to message Lost leaves us with.
 
Soulscribe said:
Okay, so I made my boyfriend watch the Pilot with me a few months ago, and since then he's been hooked. He finished watching all six seasons yesterday, so I asked him what he thought of each season. This is what he sent me today via Facebook:

Awesome write-up. Glad he thinks S5 is the best. Glad he also enjoyed S6 and that he thinks S2 is the worst. I agree on all points. But why does S5 have a B+ grade when S1 and S6 are ranked higher?
 
Soulscribe said:
Okay, so I made my boyfriend watch the Pilot with me a few months ago, and since then he's been hooked. He finished watching all six seasons yesterday, so I asked him what he thought of each season. This is what he sent me today via Facebook:




I pretty much agree with him, except for maybe what he said about season 2. He was really close to giving up on the show around halfway through it, but I had to reassure him that things look up. We both thought Eko was a pretentious character, and I think he kinda figured out from the start that the character was gonna be shortlived.
Your boyfriend is an excellent critic/writer. That was a fantastic writeup; I got goosebumps multiple times reading it. Mind if I steal that to post elsewhere?
 
ErasureAcer said:
Awesome write-up. Glad he thinks S5 is the best. Glad he also enjoyed S6 and that he thinks S2 is the worst. I agree on all points. But why does S5 have a B+ grade when S1 and S6 are ranked higher?

He thought Season 5 was the most ambitious/intelligent season of the bunch, but he thought the Dharma portions of it were a bit stale. And by Dharma I mean the 70s/LaFleur arc. That wasn't my favorite part of the season, but he thought that segment of it kept it from being his favorite season.

Given I was there through most of his watch-through I can definitely tell that he enjoyed Season 6 more than 5. Season 6 for him was much more of a archetypal story; there's a definitive hero, a definitive villain, definitive stakes, and a definitive sacrifice to be made. Season 5 for him was more experimental and dense, and while he was most objectively IMPRESSED with it, he just didn't enjoy it as a viewer as much as he did Seasons 1 and 6.

This is what he told me when I asked him about it: "If Season 1 is Robinson Crusoe, then Season 5 is Star Trek and Season 6 is Star Wars." He loves Star Wars.

My personal ranking is probably the same. Even though Seasons 2 and 3 had some of the most CLASSIC Lost moments, 5 and 6 really resonated with me most as a viewer. I think people are too hard on the last season simply because of the mounting hype, but they don't like to look at it as a separate entity like they do for Season 5 (Time Travel), Season 3 (The Others) and Season 1 (Survival). Season 6 was ALL about Good vs Evil. That's a theme big enough to define a whole season I think.

@ ThLunarian: Of course :) He'd be flattered.
 
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