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[Erigu]

Well I just made sense of it.
Why did he speak backwards?
Because its a fucking tv show

And that's why Lost can't fail in your eyes: you set the bar so low even those hacks can crawl over it.

 

[Catalix]

Yeah when you look at it from the outside, but when you have to quote it, it becomes fucking frustrating

Also disgaree about fuck Walt, he was an important part of the show.

He deserves to be understood.

Emphasis on "was." In the grand scheme of things, Walt don't mean shit anymore.

Just like Aaron.

 

[Blader]

On the subject, I actually see more connections between Jacob and Walt's abilities, than MiB. Jacob clearly had precognitive visions. He also could magically draw people toward the Island, much like Walt subconsciously drew birds toward himself.

I've always thought this too, but I do think there's a slight connection between Walt and MIB also.

The island is the source of life in the world; it's light is connected to all living beings in LOST. Being guardian of the island means that you're tapped into that light, and therefore tapped into those other lives: you can see them, know them, guide them to you/the island. What makes Walt special is that he was born with some of that ability already, instead of being given it like Jacob and the other guardians. Walt was just born with a little more light than most people, so he was a little more connected to other lives than most are. MIB would be like that too, imo, which would explain why he was able to see his mother's ghost, why Allison Janney was grooming him to be the next guardian instead of Jacob, etc.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Emphasis on "was." In the grand scheme of things, Walt don't mean shit anymore.

Just like Aaron.

Walts story is directly related to the storyline of the protector, so its very fucking important.

yeah but Aaron was never special.

The psychic was a fraud. He gathers information on people and exploits it.

Jacob probably told him what he needed to do, to make sure that Claire got on the plane.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

And that's why Lost can't fail in your eyes: you set the bar so low even those hacks can crawl over it.

Yeah im so fucking dissapointed they didnt explain how somebody spoke backwards.

Get lost

 

[njean777]

This thread is the reason I enjoyed lost so much, the reactions, the discussion, etc. I think this is what the writers wanted all along, is for people to discuss the show and the mysteries instead of just out right answering all of them.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

This thread is the reason I enjoyed lost so much, the reactions, the discussion, etc. I think this is what the writers wanted all along, is for people to discuss the show and the mysteries instead of just out right answering all of them.

I think the biggest insult to the writers is to be forgotten and not discussed.

 

[threenote]

You guys need to move on. It's silly to argue about a finished show. It's over: if you didn't like it, deal with it. When you're finished arguing about silly details, move on to bigger and better shows (cf: A Game of Thrones).

 

[Drealmcc0y]

You guys need to move on. It's silly to argue about a finished show. It's over: if you didn't like it, deal with it. When you're finished arguing about silly details, move on to bigger and better shows (cf: A Game of Thrones).

Thanks for the contribution

 

[threenote]

Thanks for the contribution

My contribution>your "posts"

 

[Drealmcc0y]

My contribution>your "posts"

You wish

 

[Catalix]

Maybe they fucked up, maybe they didnt.

But im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt because there have been plot points in the past that I thought were mistakes but then I looked at it in a different way and it came together.

So while, its a forced loophole, it still comes together as far as im concenred with info we have from the show.

I don't agree, but fair enough

Interesting.

Although I believe Jacob knew about things from the future because of the lighthouse. It was powered by the source after all, probably had some power of things involving time.

I'm not even gonna try and pick apart the lighthouse. Such a random last minute piece of mythology, lol.

All I care about is that it lead to an awesome Jackface freakout

a few people

I wouldn't sweat it, man.

I've always thought this too, but I do think there's a slight connection between Walt and MIB also.

The island is the source of life in the world; it's light is connected to all living beings in LOST. Being guardian of the island means that you're tapped into that light, and therefore tapped into those other lives: you can see them, know them, guide them to you/the island. What makes Walt special is that he was born with some of that ability already, instead of being given it like Jacob and the other guardians. Walt was just born with a little more light than most people, so he was a little more connected to other lives than most are. MIB would be like that too, imo, which would explain why he was able to see his mother's ghost, why Allison Janney was grooming him to be the next guardian instead of Jacob, etc.

That's exactly how I think the light "works" as well. It makes the most sense to me.

But that's a good point you bring up about Jacob unnaturally receiving his powers later in life, instead of being naturally endowed with those abilities since birth (like his brother and Walt). Jacob was just a regular dude before he become guardian, like Jack. So you're right, Walt and MiB do indeed have that aspect in common.

 

[Catalix]

sup, threenote.

You guys need to move on. It's silly to argue about a finished show. It's over: if you didn't like it, deal with it. When you're finished arguing about silly details, move on to bigger and better shows (cf: A Game of Thrones).

already done

Walts story is directly related to the storyline of the protector, so its very fucking important.

yeah but Aaron was never special.

The psychic was a fraud. He gathers information on people and exploits it.

Jacob probably told him what he needed to do, to make sure that Claire got on the plane.

Walt's significance was practically nonexistent after he left the island.

Aaron was important up until season 5.

"You're not supposed to raise him" was still a heavily emphasized thread up until that point. Ghost Charlie went out of his way to deliver the message.

I guess you can infer that the message meant "You're not supposed to raise him [because you're supposed to go back to the Island and die a martyr, JACK!]

but seriously that is so goddam weak. ugh.

 

[Erigu]

MiB only has ever appeared as dead people.

And spiders! Presumably dead as well.
And there was that thing about how the corpse also had to be on the island, but that didn't seem to matter when he took the appearance of Richard's wife. Ah, well.

Yeah im so fucking dissapointed they didnt explain how somebody spoke backwards.

Sure, these things happen.
Also, it was actually the Man in Black because screw what was established regarding his abilities (and how that apparition simply being Walt would fit with both his earlier warning regarding the hatch and Klugh's reference to him appearing where he shouldn't be... the show clearly is too consistent as it is, so let's forget about that!).
And naturally, the Smoke Monster would have no better option to destroy the Swan station than to warn Shannon about the button. Nothing at all. Nuh-huh.
Oh, and according to you, he then (somehow?!) arranges her death anyway, so, y'know, never mind the whole "warning about the button" thing, backwards or not.

Dude.
Dude.

Get lost

I'm telling you there never was anything to g...
... Oh.
Yeah, I think I'll stay. Sorry.

I think this is what the writers wanted all along, is for people to discuss the show and the mysteries instead of just out right answering all of them.

It sure is easier.
Not that there would be a solution to this fake puzzle anyway...

You guys need to move on. It's silly to argue about a finished show.

Yup. New rule, people.
How does that work for movies though? Once they're out of theaters, it becomes silly to discuss them?

 

[Catalix]

And spiders!

fuck

Thanks for the reminder!

 

[TheExodu5]

<3 Erigu. Bringing sense to the show that made none.

 

[threenote]

Catalix, you are a good man. I've only finished the first episode of GoT, and it blew me away! Especially the ending to the episode.

Erigu, you need to chill, brother. This isn't the UN--there's no need to have a stick up your ass all the time.

 

[threenote]

I finally burned all my Lost soundtracks and converted them to FLAC/ALAC. Ughhh, so good.

I need to do a re-watch. Maybe next year.

 

[TheExodu5]

Catalix, you are a good man. I've only finished the first episode of GoT, and it blew me away! Especially the ending to the episode.

It gets better as it goes on!

I was kind of disappointed with the opener, tbh...it felt really rushed.

I guess that's what I loved about the first few seasons of LOST...they really took their time with it. When a show does too much and feels rushed, it loses a lot of its humanity and impact.

 

[threenote]

It gets better as it goes on!

I was kind of disappointed with the opener, tbh...it felt really rushed.

I guess that's what I loved about the first few seasons of LOST...they really took their time with it. When a show does too much and feels rushed, it loses a lot of its humanity and impact.

What you say is true. However, I was so drawn to the episode because of the superb acting, brilliant scenery, and interesting premise. It exuded potential, and I suppose that is why I enjoyed it so much.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

<3 Erigu. Bringing sense to the show that made none.

that has to be sarcasm, it just has to be.

 

[TheDanger]

LOST Brutality:

 

[WillyFive]

that has to be sarcasm, it just has to be.

Well, duh.

Erigu is actually tearing apart the show. It made sense before, but he;s trying to show us that it does not.

 

[Erigu]

It made sense before

Feel free to explain, man.
Like, anytime, now.

 

[WillyFive]

Feel free to explain, man.
Like, anytime, now.

I did, many times before. Or did you not realize why you are doing all of this? It's to tell people that Lost did not make sense, right? If you are doing that, then obviously people thought it made sense before. Otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.

 

[Erigu]

There's a difference between thinking it made sense and actually explaining how it made sense.
So far, you failed to do the latter.
(Great job on the former though!)

 

[WillyFive]

There's a difference between thinking it made sense and actually explaining how it made sense.
So far, you failed to do the latter.
(Great job on the former though!)

Thanks! It helps to watch a show to enjoy it. Sucks to be you though.

 

[dave is ok]

Wait.. MIB turned into spiders? That must have been so bad that I deleted it from my memory

 

[Erigu]

It helps to watch a show to enjoy it.

Yeah, you can tell I don't know what I'm talking about, huh? I mean, I never give any precise examples nor quote anything, for instance...

Wait.. MIB turned into spiders? That must have been so bad that I deleted it from my memory

Officially, he was the spiders that bit Nikki and Paulo (in that one episode where they executed them publicly to satisfy their audience's bloodlust).

Why?
Why not?

 

[WillyFive]

Officially, he was the spiders that bit Nikki and Paulo.

Why?
Why not?

I never heard about that. Where does it come from?

 

[Erigu]

I never heard about that. Where does it come from?

Lindelof.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

This is what happens.

Nikki threw a normal female medusa spider onto Paulos neck which began to paralyse him and then Paulo killed the spider. Then we hear the tikka tikka noise and paulo watches something fly overhead.

Then a bunch of other medusa male spiders come along because they are attracted by the females scent and they paralysed Nikki.

Now im not exactly sure how smokey fits in but its clear to me he is trying to get candidates killed indirectly.

 

[WillyFive]

Lindelof.

This is what happens.
Nikki threw a normal female medusa spider onto Paulos neck which began to paralyse him and then Paulo killed the spider. Then we hear the tikka tikka noise and paulo watches something fly overhead.
Then a bunch of other medusa male spiders come along because they are attracted by the females scent and they paralysed Nikki.
Now im not exactly sure how smokey fits in but its clear to me he is trying to get candidates killed indirectly.

That's really cool.

Loved the twist at the end of that episode.

Sucks that people complained it was a filler episode back then, I thought it was a really great episode, even if it didn't advance the plot.

 

[Erigu]

im not exactly sure how smokey fits in

And why would he want to kill them, huh?
Again, I guess the answer would be "why not?" And Lindelof would probably add "everybody hates Nikki and Paulo amirite you guys lol".

its clear to me he is trying to get candidates killed indirectly.

Like I said earlier, he could have used the exact same tactic to get rid of all the candidates from day one.
He didn't because he's dumb / the show is dumb.

That's really cool.

If by "cool", you mean "idiotic", yeah: it's really cool.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

And why would he want to kill them, huh?
Again, I guess the answer would be "why not?" And Lindelof would probably add "everybody hates Nikki and Paulo amirite you guys lol".


Like I said earlier, he could have used the exact same tactic to get rid of all the candidates from day one.
He didn't because he's dumb / the show is dumb.

He wanted them dead because they were candidates.

If every episode of the show is MiB using the exact same tactic invloving medusa spiders it wouldnt make for a very interesting show would it?

 

[WillyFive]

And why would he want to kill them, huh?
Again, I guess the answer would be "why not?" And Lindelof would probably add "everybody hates Nikki and Paulo amirite you guys lol".

I think the latter came first and then the former.

Like I said earlier, he could have used the exact same tactic to get rid of all the candidates from day one.
He didn't because he's dumb / the show is dumb.

He used many tactics before that.

If by "cool", you mean "idiotic", yeah: it's really cool.

Hrmmm, no, it's cool.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

He used many tactics before that.

Yeah like driving Jack off a cliff, in season 1 or imitating Dave to drive Hurley off a cliff.

But no I think it would make for a better show if it was MiB paralysing people as medusa spiders.

 

[Erigu]

He wanted them dead because they were candidates.

Yeah? According to Lostpedia, there apparently was a "Fernandez" name in that cave, yeah, but...

If every episode of the show is MiB using the exact same tactic invloving medusa spiders it wouldnt make for a very interesting show would it?

See, one of the things that make writing not a walk in the park? Writing "intriguing" stuff that also makes sense actually requires some work.
The Lost "writers" obviously weren't interested in going through all that trouble.

Yeah like driving Jack off a cliff, in season 1 or imitating Dave to drive Hurley off a cliff.

He sure got bored with that real fast. He just wasn't trying that hard to escape, was he?

(and he was Dave, too? he can do that?)

 

[WillyFive]

Yeah like driving Jack off a cliff, in season 1 or imitating Dave to drive Hurley off a cliff.

But no I think it would make for a better show if it was MiB paralysing people as medusa spiders.

Not really, it would make people think he was obsessed with spiders. Falling off a cliff would make for a better shot.

He sure got bored with that real fast. He just wasn't trying that hard to escape, was he?

(and he was Dave, too? he can do that?)

He very frequently took the form of other people, whether by creating illusions to take advantage of fragile state of minds (like Hurley) or outright hijack dead bodies (like Shepard or Locke).

 

[dave is ok]

I love the rule that he can only take over dead people, until he could just take over anyone for the few situations that it was convenient for the story and/or they had a guest star willing to fly to Hawaii

 

[Blader]

He very frequently took the form of other people, whether by creating illusions to take advantage of fragile state of minds (like Hurley) or outright hijack dead bodies (like Shepard or Locke).

He didn't take over Locke's body. And we don't know he took over Christian's either.

 

[Erigu]

I love the rule that he can only take over dead people, until he could just take over anyone for the few situations that it was convenient for the story and/or they had a guest star willing to fly to Hawaii

Yup.
And yet, despite his constantly growing array of abilities: two millennia to pull that escape off. And he fails in the end because he thought it'd be a good idea to go with Jacob's last fail safe plan. D'oh.

He didn't take over Locke's body.

Point is, it's supposed to be dead people, and yet, people are now saying he was Walt and Dave (Lindelof actually hinted at some Walt apparitions being the Smoke Monster, in that podcast I linked to earlier... why the fuck not, right?).
Oh, and the corpses have to be on the island, except when they don't really.

 

[WillyFive]

He didn't take over Locke's body. And we don't know he took over Christian's either.

What do you mean?

 

[Erigu]

What do you mean?

Locke's dead body was still there and rotting while the Man in Black was padding out season 6 by "recruiting" for no reason.
On the other hand, we don't know where Christian's body went.

 

[WillyFive]

Locke's dead body was still there and rotting while the Man in Black was padding season 6 by "recruiting" for no reason.
On the other hand, we don't know where Christian's body went.

Ah yes. So I was wrong, they are all illusions.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Um MiB moved Christian and Yemi's bodies so Jack and Eko would think their father/brother was walking about

 

[Erigu]

Um MiB moved Christian and Yemi's bodies so Jack and Eko would think their father/brother was walking about

That's one way to rationalize it.
Not that I think it'd make a lot of difference either way: guys were dead, and Jack and Eko knew that. Bodies or not bodies, they'd have to wonder what the hell was going on, and they wouldn't have to blindly trust the zombies.

 

[dave is ok]

Um MiB moved Christian and Yemi's bodies so Jack and Eko would think their father/brother was walking about

Yet when he was actually trying to trick a group of people into thinking he was Locke, he didn't hide the body.

 

[Erigu]

Because then, it would have made far too much sense.
Lost characters, you so clever.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Yet when he was actually trying to trick a group of people into thinking he was Locke, he didn't hide the body.

Because the body was surrounded by many people

Unlike Christian and Yemi's bodies

You wont reply to this Dave, you never do.

You'll just repeat this question again in a month