Why'd you feel the need for a preemptive strike there? I was seriously about to move on, but then you drew attention to it in such a way. Seemed paranoid.
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Why'd you feel the need for a preemptive strike there? I was seriously about to move on, but then you drew attention to it in such a way. Seemed paranoid.
I don't think that's what happened it's just that it's a possibility that I thought of after writing the post before that.
Scum obviously don't wanna link themselves to mates, but they also try to avoid looking like they never talk to them.
I think I've only actually played one game with you (Overwatch) unless there was one other that I forgot. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Also I didn't say "strangely defensive." I didn't think anything of it until that post there about linking you two together. Hence why I asked for the "Why?"
See above then. I have mentioned it several times over so it's on you for not bothering to read Sophia's post. She makes it very clear she sees no reason for either your or FEP to give nomad the time of day since by her evaluation nomad had not contributed much himself. I followed it up by saying I had called out you and FEP for the same things. The difference is I HAD contributed so I wanted responses from you and FEP still, pushing back against Sophia's notion that you both could not bother.
You weren't a no show at that point. You had posted twice and contributed nothing. You're usually a player with a low post count that brings insight with those few posts. That hasn't not been the case this game. Your more recent posts have done nothing to make me feel better either as they rarely have brought any meaningful insight which I find odd from you. You can claim you've been doing this more lately but I've played in games with you recently and find your behavior this game different enough to ping my radar.
Not sure if muffin just glossed over Crimson's post or if he just wanted to follow suit for some townie points by copying someone else's argument.
I think I've only actually played one game with you (Overwatch) unless there was one other that I forgot. ¯\_(ツ
Also I didn't say "strangely defensive." I didn't think anything of it until that post there about linking you two together. Hence why I asked for the "Why?"
Fireblend called me that.
Anyway, it's more of an "I told you so" for later if it actually happens.
Fireblend called me that.
Anyway, it's more of an "I told you so" for later if it actually happens.
Over at TVTropes, we call that Tempting Fate, y'know? =p
Hoooold your horses. I didn't say anything about Royal not giving Nomad his reads. I was just merely pointing out the absurdity of prod voting someone who's not really here, especially over a "pot shot" that, at the time of that post, didn't even actually happen.
Also I think you're getting a bit carried away with defending your partner there. Asking for someone's reads randomly out of left field is shit, especially from someone who's been nothing but a nuisance to town so far. Also why are you leaving out Dragonz who said the exact same ****ing thing?
Speaking of Sorian, what do you think of him so far Fireblend?
He's not as active as normal due to work. I find him a bit more null than usual. Maybe slightly town as he doesn't seem to push too much of an agenda.
Perfect timing when he is sleeping
Please show me where I said nomad deserved no criticism and should be left alone. Go on. I'll wait.
Now that that's done and you realize that I've repeatedly talked about how I wanted to hear from Royal and FEP as well and was pointing out that I had more contributions behind my request and thus it couldn't just be shot down maybe I can stop having to address this point because no one in this thread feels the need to read.
As for dragonz please show me where in that quote it says that the person being pestered should not bother. Ah right, it was literally only you that made that insinuation.
I've been thinking that he's been curiously non-engaged with the current discussion, specially since he was around last page and chose to continue talking about the WAMD-Kitsune thing instead, except for a quick mention of Ouro when announcing he was going to sleep.
I can already tell he's going to say he didn't think it was worth commenting on because it was uninteresting or something, but I did expect him to chime in at some point. I don't know if what he's done qualifies as avoidance for me though. I'm waiting for him to come back and see if he's planning to follow up that thought before making up my mind.
I can already tell he's going to say he didn't think it was worth commenting on because it was uninteresting or something, but I did expect him to chime in at some point. I don't know if what he's done qualifies as avoidance for me though. I'm waiting for him to come back and see if he's planning to follow up that thought before making up my mind.
Muffin1611
Banned
I saw Ouros post (read list) before going to bed and it immediately bothered me, my partner also immediately said she doesn't understand it.
I saw Crimsons post this morning yeah, but he didn't really make a big thing out of it, so I thought I'd give my thoughts on the matter to start some discussion and see how Ouro and Fire defend themselves.
I have to say that Fires counterarguments are all sound, so I'll agree that I might have overinterpreted a bit, but Ouros reactions to my post are all only reinforcing my suspicion.
Fire defended himself well, so currently I still think Ouro comes over scummy while I'm inclined to believe Fire that he didn't coordinate or something.
Off of vacation and back home. Just caught up with the thread.
Not all townies are paranoid. Vanillas shouldn't have any need to be paranoid.
Uncertainty, however, should be a trait most townies share. I myself hate being wrong and making mistakes so I have a hard time committing to things, especially early game which leads me to just throw out several possibilities and not committing to one.
Sorian in this case seemed very certain that people were town, which could mean that either he's a very confident town player(I'm not familiar with him or his playstyle, so this is a possibility), or he's a scum that knows who all the townies are.
Could also be just me overthinking things.
I don't think it would normally be a given that if you flipped scum, anyone you named as a townie would be scum. It could be a plot to frame someone in the event that you were killed. You recognizing this as a possibility could be you just backing out of a plan.
Not all townies are paranoid. Vanillas shouldn't have any need to be paranoid.
Uncertainty, however, should be a trait most townies share. I myself hate being wrong and making mistakes so I have a hard time committing to things, especially early game which leads me to just throw out several possibilities and not committing to one.
Sorian in this case seemed very certain that people were town, which could mean that either he's a very confident town player(I'm not familiar with him or his playstyle, so this is a possibility), or he's a scum that knows who all the townies are.
Could also be just me overthinking things.
I don't think it would normally be a given that if you flipped scum, anyone you named as a townie would be scum. It could be a plot to frame someone in the event that you were killed. You recognizing this as a possibility could be you just backing out of a plan.
At this point I think Ouro is either scum, neutral, or a very good PR. Not personally settled on which way I lean yet, but it seems clear at this point he wants some amount of heat and suspicion which usually is indicative of someone that wants to live long or have an excuse for living long.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This was interesting as Nomadic was asking FEP for reads and then it came to someone asking him for reads. He then said the above. It's interesting because if FEP were to come in here and say the same I'm sure Nomadic wouldn't have taken that as an acceptable answer. If there's "not much to go on right now" then why would he possibly want someone else's reads if the former is true? It would seemingly be unnecessary, no? Find that peculiar.
I see what you did there partner!
I do think that the whole Kitsune and WAMD kerfluffle was a bit oversaturated, bit it could be interesting. Why do you think anyone should go back and look at it? Hope this doesn't seem aggressive I'm just curious as to why you may think that's an important interaction? I did my reads on that and in the end came to my own conclusion that it was 2 townies going at it for dumb reasons (though it COULD be more), what do you think it is that's worth looking back on?
Sorian said something:
This actually had crossed my mind before, and I had pondered it for a while. The depth of the exchange was as shallow as you can get but it seemed as if it was something worth looking into; possibly scripted or planned out? Could be and again it has been running through my mind. The amount of hypocrisy that was going through WAMD's argument just rubbed me the wrong way and it seemed incredibly petty especially because WAMD is a pretty good player. Didn't seem like something she would do? Others have said that's what she's like so maybe it hasn't rubbed off on me like others.
Why ARE people looking into the Ouro vote? It was clearly a joke as it was before the game even started! So that's null. ANYTHING that happens before the game should not be looked at imo.
Damn I forgot what else I was going to say...another post incoming as soon as I look back.
It was something regarding Kitsune (irrelevant to the WAMD argument) and something about Muffin.
hey everyone if I don't respond to anything for the next eight hours it's Sophia's fault for linking TVtropes in here
CrimsonFist
Member
I would definitely describe town Sorian as confident, saying that though his contributions this game have felt lacking, maybe that's just down to real life reasons though.
You're reading this the wrong way. Fire never claimed I was town (at least I don't think he did?). It's more people thinking that since I'm leaning town on Fire, if he flips scum then I'd be more suspicious. Just a thought.
CrimsonFist
Member
He's definitely playing this way intentionally, but I still find it hard to pin an alignment on it. Neutral or Town PR might be an explanation.
So just playstyle then.
Please. Vanilla Ouro has just as much fun.
I have a hard time telling Town Sorian from Scum Sorian apart. The one time he was scum in a game I played, he was a sub in for someone who already had crosshairs on them so...
Wasn't meaning to accuse, just throwing out that it would be stupid to vote someone based purely on that. Unless I've misread the entire conversation.
What? The Ouro vote I've been questioning happened after the game started (albeit very early), was followed up a couple pages later by a mirror vote from his partner, and has since been defended by Ouro as an actual vote.
I don't recall if we've ever played together so perhaps I'm just not used to it. Though you do claim to change your playstyle so who knows.
Well it was an actual vote. I used highlight tags and everything.
Would you have preferred I said meaningful vote i.e. one you stand by as a non-joke vote?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Have NO idea what I was gonna say about Muffin...think it was something pertaining to the German .gif or something. Idk. I think I actually said what I needed to about Kitsune in my post where I said I needed to talk about Kitsune lol
I know. It was mostly a joke vote since Sophia hadn't posted too much. The rest was I like to poke Sophia. Since then though SoCrimsonphist has still been on my radar so I'm happy with keeping it there for the moment.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
You are absolutely correct. Well then. I have NO clue why I thought that vote was before the game.
Still, I'm curious as to why you think that vote means something?
Muffin1611
Banned
Hmmm, could you elaborate? What exactly motivates you to leave your vote there? I'd like to see your reasoning. Unless you mean you don't have somebody else who leans scum in your eyes so you just don't want to bother with unvoting.
I feel like (at least earlier in the day, I'll have to reread the last 24 hours worth of posts) they were basically asking questions and the like to see what sticks. Trying to find the tiniest thing to hinge on to basically say, "hey everyone, isn't THAT interesting?" and go from there.
tbf there's a thin line between townie and scummy behavior so it could indeed be off base but that's my thoughts for now
Muffin1611
Banned
Hm, okay. As I mentioned earlier, I do also think that this is either being townie and trying to lead other townies a bit or scummy and misleading. For the latter is does seem a bit too obvious, but if we're in later days were we have more things pointing to it being misleading I'd agree that they'd be a worthy lynch target. Just not on D1, I think.
A cast away vote in and of itself isn't noteworthy that early. What made it interesting was a couple pages later his lover came in and voted on that same duo. Around that same time Ouro stood by his initial throw away vote and doubled down on it. He has since stayed with said vote. It's noteworthy because in the past I've seen scum throw out an early vote and then sit on it. The less vote movement for them the better as it limits the connections they do or don't build. It can also help keep them away from day end voting shenanigans ("I voted for so and so early, why would I have flipped toward the end?"). That to me is why it's noteworthy. Anytime I see an early throw away vote stick it pings me.
Who are their scummates?
Good point by Natiko about the lack of vote movement by Ouro. This is a game with very little vote movement, but I would've liked to see more.
There's also not a whole lot of pressuring. Now that several are town reading CrimSoph it might be especially important to drum up discussion around them instead of letting it slide. On top of that there's not a whole lot of pressuring other players or scum reading.
There's also not a whole lot of pressuring. Now that several are town reading CrimSoph it might be especially important to drum up discussion around them instead of letting it slide. On top of that there's not a whole lot of pressuring other players or scum reading.
Honestly debating if all four anime players are
(Sophia x CrimsonFist)
(Muffin x Samurai)
Again, gut reads abound.
As for the third team, I'll go out on a limb and say Xbro and Karkador. Cause why not.
Right, anime player read. What do you think about that thing Sorian and me pointed out about Samurai's read list being ignored? It felt really townie the way it progressed. Like they seemed genuinely bothered it was ignored and had discussed that in their thread before posting it.
Me and Crimson both have avatars from video games you snob! : |
I need to read over Xbro and Kark. x.x
I'll go back and look.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
This is a very mellow regurgitation of other people's reads.
Okay, I need to re-read over Kark then! >_>;
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Video games about anime characters >_>
Muffin1611
Banned
Samuraischnecke
Neo Member
Muffin1611
Banned
There aren't many different reads two persons can draw from the same situation they're looking at
Pls leave me out of this, I'm not a weeb.
thx.
guilty by association
Neither have really said much, main reason why I have my vote on them.
Kark came in, was Kark, but there wasn't a lot of content.
Xbro made some posts, but those two had the majority of his content and they seemed a bit constructed.