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if i answer this question can i stop reading?
AbsolutBro
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I searched but didn't see if Ouro specified, so I'm not sure how he claims his and KK's power targets, but nothing from Czar in lovers chat says anything about a message. As I replaced Czar, I would hope any messages he may have gotten via PM would have been forwarded to me, but I don't have anything either. Star has already said "no message" as well. That said, none of that scum reads OuroKitty to me. There are plenty of reasons to lie about PR specifics, even as town.
Process of elimination combined with the unlikelihood that Ouro would have been roleblocked two nights in a row when scum likely knows a virgin exists due to the hooker role. The votes and activity of several boats at this point have me Town reading them while Star has been flustered at best and non-existent at worst.
hey_monkey
Banned
Star did some weird stuff (the rando read of Dr. Fran) and has been very noncommittal, but was like 3 or 4 on my scum list and I'm also on campus away from my 392593 tabs so I can offer more specifics when/if we need.
jk I lied
Will likely get the first part of this out soon since it's getting reaaaaallllly long and I want to go eat some lunch. I'll finish up the last bit of the Day Phase when I get back.
Kits & FEP: A Tale of Two Lovers Part 2
Part 1 can be found here
Day 2
FEP - #1731 - Didn't vote at the end of the Day Phase because of IRL reasons
FEP - #1877 - Votes KK because he confirmed that there was 1 Scum Chat or....something? Very odd vote. ( to note, Ouro and FEP go back and forth a bit on this but it doesn't go anywhere )
Ty - #1893 - Votes for Kits; says it's odd Kits is having trouble reading people and FEP isn't sticking out enough for him to call them Town.
FEP - #1940 - Okay, this one is weird. Asks Kark why he threw a vote on someone that wouldn't have gotten him out of the running and then asks Darryl why he wants to put his vote somewhere useful and ends up on Kits/FEP, a train that wasn't going anywhere. But then he ends up voting for Kark instead?? The way the post was going it makes more logical sense to follow up on Darryl, not Kark.
FEP - #1942 - Response to the above post ( which is called out by Sorian ) and explains that he wants to go after Kark and not the person defending him, which in this case is Darryl, and not the other way around. Makes more sense this way but I'm not sure why he didn't open with this?
FEP - #1945 - slight shade towards Nin
Kits' Read on Dr. Fran
Again, we all have a pretty good idea of what happened here so I'm not reiterating it and will just be focusing on the reactions. For reference, here is the read itself
For completeness sake, Sorian is the first to question Kits over this read. I won't be including that or my own responses because I don't think I can be objective about my own boat so if you want to see them I recommend looking at them for yourself.
Crimson - 2079 - The read feels like it was designed to fit the conclusion, not the other way around.
Fran - 2081 - Essentially he tears into the read and questions most of Kits' choices. Doesn't understand how Kits reads his aggression as scummy despite having just played in a game where he acted the same way and was Town.
Fran - 2085 - Again calls out Kits, saying maybe he should 'talk to his partner' since FEP doesn't read Dr. Fran as scum.
Fran - #2087 - More shade, this time over the meta reasons of Kits and FEP seemingly not talking to one another.
Ty - #2094 - So i'm having issues with Ty during this time and this kind of exemplifies it. He posted in between Kits' read and this post but it has nothing to do with Kits/FEP at all and the first time he references the reads list is in a side question towards Crimson and its' where this response comes from. I find this odd considering that Kits/FEP was his scum read on Day 1 and he not only doesn't directly comment on it, he instead pesters someone else without giving his own thoughts at first.
Nin - #2097 - Comments that Fran's aggression isn't alignment indicative but doesn't really reference or say his thoughts on Kits FEP
Natiko - #2100 - Considers it odd that half of Kits' read is criticizing Dr. Worm reading his own partner.
Fran - #2102 - More calling out of Kits read. I may refrain from posting more of Fran's comments since I feel fairly confident that if they were Scum partners Fran wouldn't be laying into them so much and keeping them as a main discussion point.
Xbro - #2104 - Scum reads Kits' read of Dr. Fran.
Crimson - #2105 - Asks for Stars opinion on the read? Seems weirdly out of left field
Ouro - #2106 - Is also scum reading Dr. Fran but finds it odd that was the only team that was dived into. That seems odd to be the only takeaway from that list??
Sophia - 2109 - 'Can't quite place a finger' on why Kits' read is so scummy and then points a finger at how fluffy it all is.
Ouro - #2111 - Asks for everyone's opinion on Dr. Fran. Attempting to divert attention?
Fran - #2119 - Votes against Kits, reason should be fairly obvious.
Trigger - #2120 - First response to the event and it's asking Kits to clarify why he disagrees with FEP. Also doesn't give his own thoughts.
Sophia - #2128 - 'I don't like your responses, seems dishonest.'
Sam - #2143 & #2145 - Questions why Kits only did a half read and, if she is having such trouble reading someone, why not pick somebody they felt strongly on. Following post is questioning why 'colluding' with your own partner is wrong and wants a follow up on that.
Ouro - #2155 - Doesn't see the argument as Scum/Scum and already has Fran as Lean Scum so Kits must be Town?
Muffin - #2175 - So far the only comment Muffin has made on the situation and it's not really any opinion or thoughts. Considering how much he posted his thoughts on Day 1 I find it odd he's quiet on this subject. Also votes Ouro during this whole debacle.
Fran - #2194 - Fran's big ol' tear down post of Kits read. Again, can't see them both being Scum at this point.
Sorian - #2196 - Votes for Kits
Star - #2200 - This is where Star's weird post comes in. She explains after the fact she thought people were talking to her and not Kits but it still seems like a very odd thing to respond to at all? I'm not sure how I read this alignment-wise since I know Star is typically cautious to begin with and I feel like as Scum she'd be even more cautious than that to make this kind of mistake. Overall though I'm just really not sure how I feel about it and I'm just left scratching my head.
Royal - #2206 - Slight defense of Kits. Asks what the difference is between newbie Scum under pressure and newbie Town under pressure, saying that we often mix the two up. Doesn't give his thoughts other than that.
Ouro - #2215 - Votes for Dr. Worm claiming the aggressive shtick is getting old and doesn't feel like Kits reads, while '''not great''', aren't terrible.
Sam - #2218 - 'I can't read arguments so I won't'
Sophia - #2220 - Sees the Kits/Fran fight a lot like the Darryl/Sorian; lots of words but doesn't go anywhere. I'm pretty sure Sophia gave more of a negative response here than for Darryl v. Sorian so I'm not sure why she is backing away from it?
Ty - #2249 - Explains his scum read on FEP/Kits which boils down into: Kits' is acting far differently than her last game and I can see the Dragonz argument being Town!Dragonz v. Scum!Kits.
Dragonz ( RIP ) - #2278 - Votes for Kits, bringing it up to 4.
and that's where I'll cut it for now, brb in about an hour or so with the rest and my thoughts.
Part 1 can be found here
Day 2
FEP - #1731 - Didn't vote at the end of the Day Phase because of IRL reasons
FEP - #1877 - Votes KK because he confirmed that there was 1 Scum Chat or....something? Very odd vote. ( to note, Ouro and FEP go back and forth a bit on this but it doesn't go anywhere )
Ty - #1893 - Votes for Kits; says it's odd Kits is having trouble reading people and FEP isn't sticking out enough for him to call them Town.
FEP - #1940 - Okay, this one is weird. Asks Kark why he threw a vote on someone that wouldn't have gotten him out of the running and then asks Darryl why he wants to put his vote somewhere useful and ends up on Kits/FEP, a train that wasn't going anywhere. But then he ends up voting for Kark instead?? The way the post was going it makes more logical sense to follow up on Darryl, not Kark.
FEP - #1942 - Response to the above post ( which is called out by Sorian ) and explains that he wants to go after Kark and not the person defending him, which in this case is Darryl, and not the other way around. Makes more sense this way but I'm not sure why he didn't open with this?
FEP - #1945 - slight shade towards Nin
Kits' Read on Dr. Fran
Again, we all have a pretty good idea of what happened here so I'm not reiterating it and will just be focusing on the reactions. For reference, here is the read itself
For completeness sake, Sorian is the first to question Kits over this read. I won't be including that or my own responses because I don't think I can be objective about my own boat so if you want to see them I recommend looking at them for yourself.
Crimson - 2079 - The read feels like it was designed to fit the conclusion, not the other way around.
Fran - 2081 - Essentially he tears into the read and questions most of Kits' choices. Doesn't understand how Kits reads his aggression as scummy despite having just played in a game where he acted the same way and was Town.
Fran - 2085 - Again calls out Kits, saying maybe he should 'talk to his partner' since FEP doesn't read Dr. Fran as scum.
Fran - #2087 - More shade, this time over the meta reasons of Kits and FEP seemingly not talking to one another.
Ty - #2094 - So i'm having issues with Ty during this time and this kind of exemplifies it. He posted in between Kits' read and this post but it has nothing to do with Kits/FEP at all and the first time he references the reads list is in a side question towards Crimson and its' where this response comes from. I find this odd considering that Kits/FEP was his scum read on Day 1 and he not only doesn't directly comment on it, he instead pesters someone else without giving his own thoughts at first.
Nin - #2097 - Comments that Fran's aggression isn't alignment indicative but doesn't really reference or say his thoughts on Kits FEP
Natiko - #2100 - Considers it odd that half of Kits' read is criticizing Dr. Worm reading his own partner.
Fran - #2102 - More calling out of Kits read. I may refrain from posting more of Fran's comments since I feel fairly confident that if they were Scum partners Fran wouldn't be laying into them so much and keeping them as a main discussion point.
Xbro - #2104 - Scum reads Kits' read of Dr. Fran.
Crimson - #2105 - Asks for Stars opinion on the read? Seems weirdly out of left field
Ouro - #2106 - Is also scum reading Dr. Fran but finds it odd that was the only team that was dived into. That seems odd to be the only takeaway from that list??
Sophia - 2109 - 'Can't quite place a finger' on why Kits' read is so scummy and then points a finger at how fluffy it all is.
Ouro - #2111 - Asks for everyone's opinion on Dr. Fran. Attempting to divert attention?
Fran - #2119 - Votes against Kits, reason should be fairly obvious.
Trigger - #2120 - First response to the event and it's asking Kits to clarify why he disagrees with FEP. Also doesn't give his own thoughts.
Sophia - #2128 - 'I don't like your responses, seems dishonest.'
Sam - #2143 & #2145 - Questions why Kits only did a half read and, if she is having such trouble reading someone, why not pick somebody they felt strongly on. Following post is questioning why 'colluding' with your own partner is wrong and wants a follow up on that.
Ouro - #2155 - Doesn't see the argument as Scum/Scum and already has Fran as Lean Scum so Kits must be Town?
Muffin - #2175 - So far the only comment Muffin has made on the situation and it's not really any opinion or thoughts. Considering how much he posted his thoughts on Day 1 I find it odd he's quiet on this subject. Also votes Ouro during this whole debacle.
Fran - #2194 - Fran's big ol' tear down post of Kits read. Again, can't see them both being Scum at this point.
Sorian - #2196 - Votes for Kits
Star - #2200 - This is where Star's weird post comes in. She explains after the fact she thought people were talking to her and not Kits but it still seems like a very odd thing to respond to at all? I'm not sure how I read this alignment-wise since I know Star is typically cautious to begin with and I feel like as Scum she'd be even more cautious than that to make this kind of mistake. Overall though I'm just really not sure how I feel about it and I'm just left scratching my head.
Royal - #2206 - Slight defense of Kits. Asks what the difference is between newbie Scum under pressure and newbie Town under pressure, saying that we often mix the two up. Doesn't give his thoughts other than that.
Ouro - #2215 - Votes for Dr. Worm claiming the aggressive shtick is getting old and doesn't feel like Kits reads, while '''not great''', aren't terrible.
Sam - #2218 - 'I can't read arguments so I won't'
Sophia - #2220 - Sees the Kits/Fran fight a lot like the Darryl/Sorian; lots of words but doesn't go anywhere. I'm pretty sure Sophia gave more of a negative response here than for Darryl v. Sorian so I'm not sure why she is backing away from it?
Ty - #2249 - Explains his scum read on FEP/Kits which boils down into: Kits' is acting far differently than her last game and I can see the Dragonz argument being Town!Dragonz v. Scum!Kits.
Dragonz ( RIP ) - #2278 - Votes for Kits, bringing it up to 4.
and that's where I'll cut it for now, brb in about an hour or so with the rest and my thoughts.
Mind clarifying what you mean here? Not sure I'm reading you right.
To answer the question of who I'd think is scum if Ouro is town, Darryl and nin's split logic on the vote rings out as odd but otherwise I didn't see much in the way of a real defense force for FEP/kitsune so I'd look at busses next to which nin, Trigger, and Xbro all fall into that category.
Royal_Flush
Member
Let's do this meta-shift!
1.a) That the Scum team isn't the brightest wrt how to use their hooker and probably in general for mechanics related stuff or b) that Burb gave them less information than I expect.
2. That Scum is quite good at social engineering for manufacturing a fake FEP slip.
3. We can take a closer look on who refrained from voting for you too hard knowing the outcome.
The vast majority of votes are on Ouro, with almost nothing anywhere else. Five of those votes were early on in the day phase too (six if we're counting Sorian's moved vote)
Anyone refraining from voting now is probably simply wanting to avoid a hammer so we can talk out this day phase. Do you think there's a lot that is alignment indicative to be found there?
hey_monkey
Banned
rachors, AbBro addressed this which was nice, and certainly you don't have to, but if you would like to give us any insight from your predecessors' chat I'm not sure it would be mightily appreciated.
But wouldn't scum be some of the first to vote? Today's a bus. Scum wouldn't be silly enough to hold out when the majority is already decided.
Pretty much this, I could vote again but it's 4 from turbo. It's clear AB is making an attempt to catch up. I originally unvoted so Ouro could stop having a pity party defense and get some reads out, he has now but I haven't felt the need to move the needle closer to majority.
crimson and sophia being useful but could be misleading
ouro being dodgy
not much
my read of the thread is going painfully slow
Sure! I read your comment there as you saying you felt the same about Kits v Fran as you did Sorian v. Darryl and that they were 'a lot of words but not really going anywhere'. From memory though I felt like you were more on Kits' case here than you were of Sorian v. Darryl so I found it odd that you went from questioning Kits motives and tone ( even going so far as to say 'your posts feel dishonest and I don't like it' ) to saying 'I'm not to sure what to think of it'. It just seemed to me like you were going somewhere only to suddenly decide against it and backed away.
Ah, yeah, I see what you mean now. x.x;
Kits & FEP: A Tale of Two Lovers Part 2.5
Part 1 is here / Part 2 is here
Day 2 cont.
FEP - #2288 - Damage control! Says that he and Kits don't actively share notes and that's why they disagree. Only thing of major note here is his vote 'still stands' ( it's on Xbro/Kark ) and that he Town reads Muffin and co.
FEP - #2299 - Current thoughts: Sophia is scummy for not poking a lot but then picked it up. Worm is also slipping but has no pick up like Sophia. Darryl/Royal are 'good'. Kark is still weird but with Darryl being better he isn't sure. Sorian is meh, Sawneeks is 'hustling'. Natiko did something 'interesting' but doesn't say what. Ouro/Nin are null.
Kits - #2308 - 'everything I do is wrong what do you want from me'
FEP - #2368 - Doesn't like Sorian's comment that 'Scum vote naturally' as he believes they don't. Threatens to move votes when he's done catching up.
FEP - #2376 - Votes Sorian. Finds it suspicious that a veteran player claims that Scum don't stack votes early on only to say two of his scum reads have 'natural' votes on the same person. Also states he isn't a fan of an Ouro lynch.
FEP - #2383 - Moves vote to Ouro ( ? ) and calls for people to look at Sorian's contradictions after he gets mislynched.
FEP - #2387 - Instantly backs down from the Ouro vote and goes back to Sorian. Says Ouro is basically cleared ( then why vote for him?? ) but Sorian is super BSing.
Kits v. Fran cont.
Natiko - #2282 - Doesn't understand Kits' logic in scum reading Dr. Fran. Asks why she is being so aggressive this time around.
Muffin - #2307 - Kits is 4th on the Scum List ( interchangeable with Ouro who is 3rd ) for a 'weird read that he can't attribute to being scummy'. This read doesn't make a whole lot of sense since Worm is 2nd on the Scum List under Darryl, meaning he feels that Fran v. Kits was Scum v Scum. It kinda strikes me as if he wasn't paying a whooole lot of attention to that argument? Which doesn't make sense if Muffin is Scum since Kits, his scum buddy, had gotten a lot of heat at that point. He later clarifies it's more of a 'general suspicion' list with the last 2 being Null to slight scum ( so Ouro and Kits ) but i agree with Fran, reads more like he just put in those who were suspicious in general.
KK - #2321 - KK has posted this Day Phase and this is his final post ( a vote on Xbro ) but has never once mentioned Kits v. Fran at all.
Sam - #2340 - Dr worm is weird because he imitates Fran too much and suggests they actually vote for who they believe to be scummy. Also a weird 'non read' of Kits, just saying that she's being 'weird' with way too many words and is leaving it at that.
Crimson - #2351 - Votes Kits and says he won't be around for Day End. Odd because he hasn't really stated his opinion on Kits v. Fran ( unless I missed it ) so this just sort of comes out of nowhere.
Natiko - #2358 - Sees people worried about trying to play in a consistent manner as 'Scummy' .
Ty - #2363 - Sees a Scum Team of Ouro and Kits too obvious.
Ouro - #2380 - 'Kits/FEP could be Scum my reads aren't 100% but i think they're town tho'
FEP 'throwing Ouro under the bus' quote:
FEP - #2393 - More against Sorian ( phoning it in, meta doesn't make sense, scum reads don't make sense ) and clarifies his vote for the vote tool. More importantly we have the "Last few minutes and I would of course toss ouro under the bus to save my team" comment.
FEP - #2395 - Instantly catches the phrase and remakrs how they'll get lynched for it. Damage control?
Ouro - #2398 - 'welp'. Kind of a tame response tbh
Xbro - #2399 - That's quite a slip.
Ty - #2401 - Doesn't know what to make of the slip
FEP - #2402 - More damage control?
Xbro - #2403 - 'maybe it was a hypothetical and a joke?'
Ouro - #2404 - 'Great, KK and I are dead if Kits/FEP flips Scum' and also the apparent last-ditch effort to get some attention from who they sent letters to. To be honest after going through this whole thing again I actually find this timing really interesting, I never realized the breadcrumb for their letter role was so close the slip.
Sophia - #2407 - GifResponse.gif
Sophia - #2411 - Votes with Crimson despite Crimson never giving a full read and Sophia going from her 'i don't know what to make of this argument' to a vote on Kits. ??
Day End:
Ouro - #2412 - Wants to know why Kits/FEP > Dr. Fran
FEP - #2417 - Really annoyed no one is going for Sorian and is instead going for the 'slip'.
Ouro - #2421 - 'I could go for a Sawrian lynch'
Sophia - #2422 - Suddenly has a scum read of Kits/FEP and a Town Lean on Fran.
Darryl - #2423 - Could go for Sawrian or Muffin, Muffin just 'feels fresh'.
Ouro - #2435 - Votes Sawneeks because 'Fran isn't getting any traction'.
Sophia - #2464 - ( just as a note, it took Ouro and I prodding her to even get this answer in the first place... ) tl;dr: Dr Fran hasn't done anything out of the 'norm' for either but Kits has been defensive on Day 1 and the early read wasn't great. FEP is a null but apparently Crimson doesn't like FEP...?
FEP - #2465 - We're a PR!!!
Fran - #2468 - Notes how desperate Ouro feels despite not being in the lead vote-wise.
Star - #2471 - Sees Kits as floundering new player but doesn't see it as an excuse. But also says she does the same so isn't sure....? A non read.
Darryl - #2472 - Votes Sorian because he could see Muffin as Town and a Scum Sorian capitalizing on this???
Sophia - #2476 - Hey Sophia, why did Crimson vote Kits? 'oh...it's in our chat don't worry about it. also I won't give specifics, just that we talked about it.'
Darryl - #2485 - Ouro and FEP would have to be mates with how they are voiding voting but they might be Town.
Royal - #2500 - FEP is doing 'all the wrong things'. Doesn't see how a Scum Team would let Kits do what she did and doesn't feel good about the train. Last minute shade? Follows up a post later that the Fran read is like a parody.
Royal - #2508 - A back-and-forth with Ty and Royal here, Royal trying to see if Ty could imagine an inexperienced Scum doing an appeal to emotion.
Ouro - #2511 - Doesn't like the FEP lynch.
Kark - #2514 - Votes Ty/Trigger but says Kits/FEP are weird???
Ouro - #2528 - Pretty sure he's getting paid to say the word 'Sorian'.
Worm - #2531 - Hops over to Sorian?
Sorian - #2544 - Votes Kits
Royal - #2546 - Votes Sawneeks because....?
Nin - #2551 - Pops in to vote Kits because 'bad play over annoyance'
Trigger - #2559 - Votes Kits for some reason
Xbro - #2561 - Votes for Kits because he has a scum lean on them and not on Sorian. Doesn't totally explain why.
Vere ( RIP ) - #2563 - Votes Sorian.
Star - #2564 - Votes Ouro because she's feeling uneasy on FEP/Kit and Ouro hasn't done enough for a pass.
Worm - #2566 - Unvotes Sawneeks because he doesn't feel strongly enough to risk shenanigans.
Day 2 Ends
Finale votes are: Kits/FEP ( 9 ) v. Sawneeks/Sorian ( 5 ) v. Ouro/KK ( 3 )
tl;dr next post because this is really long
Part 1 is here / Part 2 is here
Day 2 cont.
FEP - #2288 - Damage control! Says that he and Kits don't actively share notes and that's why they disagree. Only thing of major note here is his vote 'still stands' ( it's on Xbro/Kark ) and that he Town reads Muffin and co.
FEP - #2299 - Current thoughts: Sophia is scummy for not poking a lot but then picked it up. Worm is also slipping but has no pick up like Sophia. Darryl/Royal are 'good'. Kark is still weird but with Darryl being better he isn't sure. Sorian is meh, Sawneeks is 'hustling'. Natiko did something 'interesting' but doesn't say what. Ouro/Nin are null.
Kits - #2308 - 'everything I do is wrong what do you want from me'
FEP - #2368 - Doesn't like Sorian's comment that 'Scum vote naturally' as he believes they don't. Threatens to move votes when he's done catching up.
FEP - #2376 - Votes Sorian. Finds it suspicious that a veteran player claims that Scum don't stack votes early on only to say two of his scum reads have 'natural' votes on the same person. Also states he isn't a fan of an Ouro lynch.
FEP - #2383 - Moves vote to Ouro ( ? ) and calls for people to look at Sorian's contradictions after he gets mislynched.
FEP - #2387 - Instantly backs down from the Ouro vote and goes back to Sorian. Says Ouro is basically cleared ( then why vote for him?? ) but Sorian is super BSing.
Kits v. Fran cont.
Natiko - #2282 - Doesn't understand Kits' logic in scum reading Dr. Fran. Asks why she is being so aggressive this time around.
Muffin - #2307 - Kits is 4th on the Scum List ( interchangeable with Ouro who is 3rd ) for a 'weird read that he can't attribute to being scummy'. This read doesn't make a whole lot of sense since Worm is 2nd on the Scum List under Darryl, meaning he feels that Fran v. Kits was Scum v Scum. It kinda strikes me as if he wasn't paying a whooole lot of attention to that argument? Which doesn't make sense if Muffin is Scum since Kits, his scum buddy, had gotten a lot of heat at that point. He later clarifies it's more of a 'general suspicion' list with the last 2 being Null to slight scum ( so Ouro and Kits ) but i agree with Fran, reads more like he just put in those who were suspicious in general.
KK - #2321 - KK has posted this Day Phase and this is his final post ( a vote on Xbro ) but has never once mentioned Kits v. Fran at all.
Sam - #2340 - Dr worm is weird because he imitates Fran too much and suggests they actually vote for who they believe to be scummy. Also a weird 'non read' of Kits, just saying that she's being 'weird' with way too many words and is leaving it at that.
Crimson - #2351 - Votes Kits and says he won't be around for Day End. Odd because he hasn't really stated his opinion on Kits v. Fran ( unless I missed it ) so this just sort of comes out of nowhere.
Natiko - #2358 - Sees people worried about trying to play in a consistent manner as 'Scummy' .
Ty - #2363 - Sees a Scum Team of Ouro and Kits too obvious.
Ouro - #2380 - 'Kits/FEP could be Scum my reads aren't 100% but i think they're town tho'
FEP 'throwing Ouro under the bus' quote:
FEP - #2393 - More against Sorian ( phoning it in, meta doesn't make sense, scum reads don't make sense ) and clarifies his vote for the vote tool. More importantly we have the "Last few minutes and I would of course toss ouro under the bus to save my team" comment.
FEP - #2395 - Instantly catches the phrase and remakrs how they'll get lynched for it. Damage control?
Ouro - #2398 - 'welp'. Kind of a tame response tbh
Xbro - #2399 - That's quite a slip.
Ty - #2401 - Doesn't know what to make of the slip
FEP - #2402 - More damage control?
Xbro - #2403 - 'maybe it was a hypothetical and a joke?'
Ouro - #2404 - 'Great, KK and I are dead if Kits/FEP flips Scum' and also the apparent last-ditch effort to get some attention from who they sent letters to. To be honest after going through this whole thing again I actually find this timing really interesting, I never realized the breadcrumb for their letter role was so close the slip.
Sophia - #2407 - GifResponse.gif
Sophia - #2411 - Votes with Crimson despite Crimson never giving a full read and Sophia going from her 'i don't know what to make of this argument' to a vote on Kits. ??
Day End:
Ouro - #2412 - Wants to know why Kits/FEP > Dr. Fran
FEP - #2417 - Really annoyed no one is going for Sorian and is instead going for the 'slip'.
Ouro - #2421 - 'I could go for a Sawrian lynch'
Sophia - #2422 - Suddenly has a scum read of Kits/FEP and a Town Lean on Fran.
Darryl - #2423 - Could go for Sawrian or Muffin, Muffin just 'feels fresh'.
Ouro - #2435 - Votes Sawneeks because 'Fran isn't getting any traction'.
Sophia - #2464 - ( just as a note, it took Ouro and I prodding her to even get this answer in the first place... ) tl;dr: Dr Fran hasn't done anything out of the 'norm' for either but Kits has been defensive on Day 1 and the early read wasn't great. FEP is a null but apparently Crimson doesn't like FEP...?
FEP - #2465 - We're a PR!!!
Fran - #2468 - Notes how desperate Ouro feels despite not being in the lead vote-wise.
Star - #2471 - Sees Kits as floundering new player but doesn't see it as an excuse. But also says she does the same so isn't sure....? A non read.
Darryl - #2472 - Votes Sorian because he could see Muffin as Town and a Scum Sorian capitalizing on this???
Sophia - #2476 - Hey Sophia, why did Crimson vote Kits? 'oh...it's in our chat don't worry about it. also I won't give specifics, just that we talked about it.'
Darryl - #2485 - Ouro and FEP would have to be mates with how they are voiding voting but they might be Town.
Royal - #2500 - FEP is doing 'all the wrong things'. Doesn't see how a Scum Team would let Kits do what she did and doesn't feel good about the train. Last minute shade? Follows up a post later that the Fran read is like a parody.
Royal - #2508 - A back-and-forth with Ty and Royal here, Royal trying to see if Ty could imagine an inexperienced Scum doing an appeal to emotion.
Ouro - #2511 - Doesn't like the FEP lynch.
Kark - #2514 - Votes Ty/Trigger but says Kits/FEP are weird???
Ouro - #2528 - Pretty sure he's getting paid to say the word 'Sorian'.
Worm - #2531 - Hops over to Sorian?
Sorian - #2544 - Votes Kits
Royal - #2546 - Votes Sawneeks because....?
Nin - #2551 - Pops in to vote Kits because 'bad play over annoyance'
Trigger - #2559 - Votes Kits for some reason
Xbro - #2561 - Votes for Kits because he has a scum lean on them and not on Sorian. Doesn't totally explain why.
Vere ( RIP ) - #2563 - Votes Sorian.
Star - #2564 - Votes Ouro because she's feeling uneasy on FEP/Kit and Ouro hasn't done enough for a pass.
Worm - #2566 - Unvotes Sawneeks because he doesn't feel strongly enough to risk shenanigans.
Day 2 Ends
Finale votes are: Kits/FEP ( 9 ) v. Sawneeks/Sorian ( 5 ) v. Ouro/KK ( 3 )
tl;dr next post because this is really long
Has anybody actually quoted that as a reason for thinking you're scum? I thought it was a funny comment and I also pointed at it and raised an eyebrow but I'm well aware it wasn't a tell in....persona? When Exodu5 did it even though he did happen to be scum.
I'm not gonna go back and look, but I feel like it was the "straw that broke the camel's back," or something
Like what I did with Kitsune, I looked through posts from flatearthpandas and tried to look at various bits of shade/friction with others. I didn't look through everyone's posts regarding this pair, so I'll probably miss more friction, but yeah my focus is narrow.
bit of a shade against Natiko Sparks
friction with Sorian
Based on my dank analysis of friction from both of the scum members, here are some percentages.
not on same scum team as kitsunepandas:
dr.franconp - 92.1 percent chance
natiko sparks - 54 percent chance
sawsorian - 54 percent chance
karkpair - 50.6 percent chance
It aint a lot but it narrows down at least for my brain who I want to throw deep inside the volcano. Gonna nap early so I'll try to give my final vote/my will around 5am-ish eastern time.
slight shade against Kark pair, very, very slight shade against Star pair.
minor shade against Star
bit of a shade against Natiko Sparks
some friction with Natiko
bit of friction with Natiko
this post leads to a lil bit of friction with Sorian
shade against Kark and Darryl
more Kark shade, maybe some type of Darryl shade
very slight shade against Nin
Maybe a little bit of shade against Worm.
half hearted shade against Sophia, slightly stronger shade against Worm.
very slight friction with sorian
friction with Sorian
Based on my dank analysis of friction from both of the scum members, here are some percentages.
not on same scum team as kitsunepandas:
dr.franconp - 92.1 percent chance
natiko sparks - 54 percent chance
sawsorian - 54 percent chance
karkpair - 50.6 percent chance
It aint a lot but it narrows down at least for my brain who I want to throw deep inside the volcano. Gonna nap early so I'll try to give my final vote/my will around 5am-ish eastern time.
Thanks, Bowser, who you were totally shipping and not at all personifying
that's the nicest thing anyone has ever told me
time to brush my teeth, but after i finish this glass of diet root beer
Don't you think that's a bit misleading? I clearly had a negative opinion of Kitsunelaine at #2109 and #2128
And Crimson had reads of Kitsunelaine here on Day 1.
It's not like our opinions came completely out of nowhere, especially when you take into context the Kitsunelaine vs Dragonz fight, and the fact that it was extremely unlikely for both of them to be scum.
Part 1 is here / Part 2 is here / Part 2.5 is here
tl;dr
Okay, so going through everything there's a couple conclusions I've come to. I'm still fine with an Ouro lynch and still believe he and KK are Scum. I don't like Royal, Kark, Muffin/Sam, or Sophia/Crimson to varying degrees but I do feel better on Dr. Fran, Ty, and somewhat on Darryl. Natiko I'm flipping between Scum/Town based on the Kit/FEP interactions which are sparse and just very 'neutral' feeling so I'm not sure of him and I have no idea how to read Nomad ( who essentially stayed out of the whole thing ). Star also falls into this category because I can't get any read on her and her partner keeps falling in and out of the game so fast it's impossible to get anything. I'd put her closer to Scum then Town but she's still mostly a null.
Currently I'm looking at:
Town:
Dr. Fran
Lean Town:
Ty4on/Trigger
Slight Town Lean:
Darryl/Nin
Null/Unsure:
Natiko/Nomad
Starsketch/AB
Slight Scum Lean:
Xbro/Karkador
Crimsonfist/Sophia
Lean Scum:
Royal/Monkey
Rac/Acohrs ( formerly Muffin/Sam )
Scum:
Ouro/KK
IF Ouro is Town then I'm a little bit at a loss as to what happened towards the end of the Day Phase. FEP started the push, which Ouro picked up, and then Darryl hops on board suddenly, same with Worm, and then Royal hops in too. Out of these, if Ouro flipped Town, I'd be more suspect of Darryl and Royal for jumping over so quickly, Royal especially. Worm also falls under this umbrella but after Kits v. Fran that Day Phase I really don't see them being Scum with Kits so I'm willing to give him a pass. Still, considering how quickly the train formed when Kits/FEP were in the running I don't have great feelings on those involved, especially those with weak or vague reasons.
anyway, i'll answer some questions that I see were posted then i'm off to play overwatch.
tl;dr
Okay, so going through everything there's a couple conclusions I've come to. I'm still fine with an Ouro lynch and still believe he and KK are Scum. I don't like Royal, Kark, Muffin/Sam, or Sophia/Crimson to varying degrees but I do feel better on Dr. Fran, Ty, and somewhat on Darryl. Natiko I'm flipping between Scum/Town based on the Kit/FEP interactions which are sparse and just very 'neutral' feeling so I'm not sure of him and I have no idea how to read Nomad ( who essentially stayed out of the whole thing ). Star also falls into this category because I can't get any read on her and her partner keeps falling in and out of the game so fast it's impossible to get anything. I'd put her closer to Scum then Town but she's still mostly a null.
Currently I'm looking at:
Town:
Dr. Fran
Lean Town:
Ty4on/Trigger
Slight Town Lean:
Darryl/Nin
Null/Unsure:
Natiko/Nomad
Starsketch/AB
Slight Scum Lean:
Xbro/Karkador
Crimsonfist/Sophia
Lean Scum:
Royal/Monkey
Rac/Acohrs ( formerly Muffin/Sam )
Scum:
Ouro/KK
IF Ouro is Town then I'm a little bit at a loss as to what happened towards the end of the Day Phase. FEP started the push, which Ouro picked up, and then Darryl hops on board suddenly, same with Worm, and then Royal hops in too. Out of these, if Ouro flipped Town, I'd be more suspect of Darryl and Royal for jumping over so quickly, Royal especially. Worm also falls under this umbrella but after Kits v. Fran that Day Phase I really don't see them being Scum with Kits so I'm willing to give him a pass. Still, considering how quickly the train formed when Kits/FEP were in the running I don't have great feelings on those involved, especially those with weak or vague reasons.
anyway, i'll answer some questions that I see were posted then i'm off to play overwatch.
Okay now this is just full of shit, and isn't what I said here. Crimson had a list of "Most townie to least townie" ranking, but he didn't provide reads for why he felt that way. As I noted, I was going to ask him for his opinion, but he was already gone for the day phase.
I don't like the fact that you're misinterpreting this. It reminds of what Kitsunlaine did with her reads on Day 2...
It wasn't. Most people were unsure how to take it and then you and FEP kept going back and forth with it. It did get some people to start looking at the possibility of you and FEP but that was about all I saw.
No, you had some slight 'i don't know...' concerns over Kits' but you follow up with later in #2220 ( which we just talked about above ) where you default back into an unsure position. I saw no indication of what changed your mind from 'unsure' to 'i'm ready to lynch them' in between those posts, hence the comment that I don't know where the vote came from.
Yeah, on Day 1. Besides some questions here and there I saw no update on Crimson's thoughts regarding Kits/FEP other than the vote which is just dropped in and left there. Not to mention the fact that he voted for Kits on Day 1 only to back off of it and then jumps in Day 2 with little update to plop a vote down there - that doesn't look weird to you?
And I don't understand where you're going with the last bit there? VereDragonz was still alive at that point so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.
Also I'm feeling extremely lazy and a cursory look didn't get anything but I feel like you recently said something about 'reads changing overnight' or something to the affect. That or it was Natiko.
????
You don't even mention that in the linked post above so how am I supposed to know the real extent Crimson went to in a chat I can't read? Just going by the linked post it reads like Crimson had a most to least town ranking going on and was at the very least talking to you a bit about them( 'but admitted he wasn't super confident in' ) and that you used his opinion to form your vote, that's it. I assumed you were being cagey about your opinion again since you keep doing that this game and found it odd you were keeping that info hidden.
You are misinterpreting, or misreading. That's not an unsure position regarding her. Kitsune had a lot of bullshit in her reads, which I noted in #2109
When Dr.Worm called her out on how her post sounded like a parody, she responded sarcastically, which I noted sounded dishonest at #2128
Day 1 reads are still perfectly valid. Also he didn't "back off" it. He merely voted elsewhere to preserve a tie. He gave his reads on both Kitsunelaine and Dragonz, and voted for the pair he thought was scummier.
I don't recall saying something to the effect, but I could be wrong, this has been a large game so far. If you find it, please jog my memory.
hey_monkey
Banned
For what it's worth, OuroKitty are the first team to really fight to stay alive. The others had less time, admittedly, but still did far less. I thought that was at least worth noting.
Sawneeks, why does a CrimScumFist bus scum at the point that he does so, knowing that he won't be back later to change it if the lynch winds shift direction?
I said toward the end of D2 that the Crimsophistia vote seemed like a shitvote to ride a town wagon out, but in between my mouthfuls of crow, I'm obviously walking that one back hard.
I said toward the end of D2 that the Crimsophistia vote seemed like a shitvote to ride a town wagon out, but in between my mouthfuls of crow, I'm obviously walking that one back hard.
hey_monkey
Banned
Dr Worm, I have liked the questions you've asked this game. Who's your top town, if you have one? Do you think lynching OuroKitty is the right choice? If so, what's your strongest reason for it (or against if not)? I'm on mobile; if you specifically mentioned strongest reason just tell me post number or whatever (should you choose to answer)
He was not admittedly super confident in his rankings, not in his read of Kitsunelaine/FEP. I had my own opinion on Kitsunelaine, he had already voted, and I didn't feel the need to split our vote as I believe in partners voting together.
Day 1 reads are still perfectly valid. Also he didn't "back off" it. He merely voted elsewhere to preserve a tie. He gave his reads on both Kitsunelaine and Dragonz, and voted for the pair he thought was scummier.
I don't recall saying something to the effect, but I could be wrong, this has been a large game so far. If you find it, please jog my memory.
I swear I can think right. This should be "prevent" a tie. x_X
kitfep had timezones against them, iirc.
CrimSophistia is probably my top town, for the reason stated above. Trig4on also reflects well on me post-vote.
I think Ourokitty's story is too conveniently unverifiable, especially for a role that ought to be supremely verifiable; I suspect the plea for another night of life may be because he has an investigative role that's scum-aligned, as Sorian suggested. He's my top scumpick at the moment, and I believe his flip is vital for moving forward. If it weren't for the replacements needing more time to catch up, I'd be grousing about why we haven't turbo'd him yet.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, the timezones sucks. That's a rough way to go. Anyway, thank you for answering so thoroughly. I appreciate your analysis; through the tangles, you seem like you've kept a clear head.
Is this the part where I pull a Darryl and start yelling about how you're lying about what I said?
hey_monkey
Banned
You're too late. I already did that. : |
lol
i dont even know if that would even help at this point, i suck at keeping track of regular mafia but 3000 posts yall?
hookers?
let me ask you a question, would town monkey try to kill a team getting replaced?
also it seems like some posts are missing it my predecessors notes, they stop talking on the 9th
must've been scrubbed, ya know
Best to not follow the end point too far out of courtesy to Bear.
As for the first point it does ring as odd especially given the timing. Ouro and kk have angled for an extra night. Makes it curious that monkey would try and offer it to them. After I see Ouro's flip it will be easier to look into where to go next. If scum I think a dive into Ouro/kk and Royal/monkey's interactions may be in the cards.
hey_monkey
Banned
My suggestion was less a suggestion than a question of meta/etiquette and ease. I didn't know how many replacements we had left and if as many people were suspecting them as Ouro, I thought it might be efficient - it looked to me, until they left, that they were the likely targets post-Ourokitty. I was mistaken and withdrew, and whomever it was that said it wasn't fair to go after people who couldn't defend themselves was correct; it was shitty of me. Mea culpa.
But I will probably sniff around y'all because Schmuffin made some odd moves and I can't tell if it was newbie stuff/not being into the game and overall GAFia meta or if it was scummy. Of course, you'll read it as you will.