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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove
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It's easier if you try to just read more of the recent stuff.
started reading from day 3 start and still 10 pages...
this dayphase seems pretty wrapped up though bar shenanigans, that's nice as it gives me time to catch up
Sorry for my relative absence. I think from reading the chat the only way we can move on is to definitely lynch OuroKity, but I don't want to end the day without a chance to discuss our other scum reads. I'd put FlushMonkey, Natikomadic, and StarBro as my top scum reads.
I told my partner as much in our chat, but I think we're dealing with an inactive or just uncoordinated scum team. Reading the vote leading up to Flatsune's lynch, I couldn't help but wonder why there wasn't more of a push to save their partner. Or why Kitsune thought it was a good idea to post such a large and fluffy attempt at a read. It just doesn't feel like a team effort to coordinate a defense. Admittedly there's no way to prove it, but that's just my gut reading. I played scum once, and I remember making more of an effort to save my partners. Here, it feels like scum's strategy is to do much of nothing.
It's through this perspective that I choose some of my top choices for scum. Star hasn't been very committed to a vote and seemed hesitant to vote out Flatsune. I can't link the post on mobile, but I remember thinking her logic was weak for her vote.
Flush has been a topic of discussion several times in my lover's chat. My Day 1 impression of Flush was that he wasn't doing much to actually scum and more posting reads to coast under the radar. His initial reads on Flatsune stop short of calling either scum directly IIRC. I'd be willing to bet he's scum, just from my reads of his posts alone. Hey Monkey has been a great contributor, but I wonder if it's not overcompensation for a mostly inactive team. I see a lot of activity from her, but moving into the next day I'm curious to see who she focuses on.
I have a more positive impression of Natiko, but not of his partner Nomadic. I feel like Nomadic on his own would read as scummy to me. He hasn't done much to make me feel like he's really interested in finding scum. My scum lean is weaker on them than the others.
Just posting some rambling thoughts on things other than OuroKitty. I think everyone has commented on that enough.
I told my partner as much in our chat, but I think we're dealing with an inactive or just uncoordinated scum team. Reading the vote leading up to Flatsune's lynch, I couldn't help but wonder why there wasn't more of a push to save their partner. Or why Kitsune thought it was a good idea to post such a large and fluffy attempt at a read. It just doesn't feel like a team effort to coordinate a defense. Admittedly there's no way to prove it, but that's just my gut reading. I played scum once, and I remember making more of an effort to save my partners. Here, it feels like scum's strategy is to do much of nothing.
It's through this perspective that I choose some of my top choices for scum. Star hasn't been very committed to a vote and seemed hesitant to vote out Flatsune. I can't link the post on mobile, but I remember thinking her logic was weak for her vote.
Flush has been a topic of discussion several times in my lover's chat. My Day 1 impression of Flush was that he wasn't doing much to actually scum and more posting reads to coast under the radar. His initial reads on Flatsune stop short of calling either scum directly IIRC. I'd be willing to bet he's scum, just from my reads of his posts alone. Hey Monkey has been a great contributor, but I wonder if it's not overcompensation for a mostly inactive team. I see a lot of activity from her, but moving into the next day I'm curious to see who she focuses on.
I have a more positive impression of Natiko, but not of his partner Nomadic. I feel like Nomadic on his own would read as scummy to me. He hasn't done much to make me feel like he's really interested in finding scum. My scum lean is weaker on them than the others.
Just posting some rambling thoughts on things other than OuroKitty. I think everyone has commented on that enough.
experienced scum have no problem busing their lesser experienced scum buddies, OR, when momentum builds sacrificing them for big town trusts, just, something to consider
hey_monkey
Banned
From reading the chat? This is odd phrasing. I noted a few times too Ty spoke for you in the thread so doubling down on this through-my-partner's lens is strange to me.
Nomadic is just kind of like this, though. It makes him an impossible read, but I'd agree that Natiko seems quite townie. I agree with you on Star, too; that may be one of the places I look next because like some others, I think that's a risk as the game gets smaller but now it depends on AbBro. Similar to rachors. Maybe they can give us some insight based on that boat's chat. But where I go does obviously depend on the flip. I feel good about it, but in the chance that we're wrong, I might look at the post counts for today, in Kark fashion - seems like some teams have been quieter this phase, which gives some a chance to control the discourse or may be safer if a teammate is on the line (or if they know there's a big move for a mislynch). I generally feel pretty townie on Sophist (heh, rhetoric jokes), but I'm curious why Crimson would cool on Ouro. He said a little but not much.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Ourobolus & kingkitty (8)
Sorian 2588 2930
franconp 2589
Royal_Flush 2592
nin1000 2595
Natiko 2599
Dr. Worm 2600
Sawneeks 2878
hey_monkey 2952
Nomadic Sparks 3021
hey_monkey & Royal_Flush (2)
Ty4on 2946
Ourobolus 3105
Sawneeks & Sorian (0):Ourobolus 2597 3105
Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke (0):Muffin1611 2743 2753
No active vote for Day 3: AbsolutBro, acohrs, CrimsonFist, Darryl, Karkador, kingkitty, rac, Sophia, Sorian (has previously voted), StarSketch, Trigger, Xbro
Day 3 Postcount: AbsolutBro 1, acohrs 3, CrimsonFist 19, Darryl 18, Dr. Worm 35, franconp 39, hey_monkey 38, Karkador 7, kingkitty 15, Natiko 46, nin1000 4, Nomadic Sparks 12, Ourobolus 171, rac 0, Royal_Flush 12, Sawneeks 13, Sophia 21, Sorian 47, StarSketch 5, Trigger 2, Ty4on 40, Xbro 5
Names in italics joined in the middle of this current day phase
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
12 votes for majority
Ourobolus & kingkitty (8)
franconp 2589
Royal_Flush 2592
nin1000 2595
Natiko 2599
Dr. Worm 2600
Sawneeks 2878
hey_monkey 2952
Nomadic Sparks 3021
hey_monkey & Royal_Flush (2)
Ty4on 2946
Ourobolus 3105
Sawneeks & Sorian (0):
Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke (0):
No active vote for Day 3: AbsolutBro, acohrs, CrimsonFist, Darryl, Karkador, kingkitty, rac, Sophia, Sorian (has previously voted), StarSketch, Trigger, Xbro
Day 3 Postcount: AbsolutBro 1, acohrs 3, CrimsonFist 19, Darryl 18, Dr. Worm 35, franconp 39, hey_monkey 38, Karkador 7, kingkitty 15, Natiko 46, nin1000 4, Nomadic Sparks 12, Ourobolus 171, rac 0, Royal_Flush 12, Sawneeks 13, Sophia 21, Sorian 47, StarSketch 5, Trigger 2, Ty4on 40, Xbro 5
Names in italics joined in the middle of this current day phase
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
12 votes for majority
Poor phrasing on my part. I was referring to the main discussion here, not my lover's chat specifically. We haven't actually talked much about the current Ouro situation. I don't town read Our and we're a few votes away from a lynch. I'm fine with seeing them eliminated to move the discussion forward.
I've never played with Nomadic honestly. If that's his style then it's new to me.
Crimphia has been pretty townie for me, but they haven't exactly taken any controversial stances. They fade easily into the background.
Royal_Flush
Member
So I have a situation coming up: I will be on a music festival from Wednesday to Saturday night. During this time I very likely won't play Mafia at all. I will certainly not be in the position to sufficiently address any lynch attempts against us (which will come if I read this thread correctly). D4 ends on Sunday evening. I do not know yet how much time I will have on said Sunday. If you think this is a major problem I'd be willing to sub out after this day phase. I already talked with my partner about this and she would prefer if I stayed in. I also trust her to carry our boat on her own for that time frame. On my own I would stay in.
But if a majority of you say it's better for the game if I subbed out, then I'm willing to do so.
But if a majority of you say it's better for the game if I subbed out, then I'm willing to do so.
stay in, think I was one of the last subs anyway
Subbing out is the worst possible thing you could do right now.
hey_monkey
Banned
I will carry you, my boo. Or get us killed. But my love will never waver!
I don't see it as busing. I think the votes tumbled up, and flat was unable to create a better defense on the spot. He was mostly waiting for Kitsune to help fill in the gaps. I'd think they'd be more prepared or something.
I think it's fine to stay in. If you can respond at all come that final day it would probably be better than anything a sub with very little time to catch up on a ton of pages would be able to say. Not everyone is as dedicated as monkey.
AbsolutBro
Member
Im still reading, but I am seriously starting to consider shit posting a scumtell. All it does is make the game insanely hard for replacement players.
AbsolutBro
Member
Also, and I know I ask this in every game so maybe we should make it a standard thing: can someone post the link you get if you click the post count in OT-Community? The one that lets you search by user posts? It does not show up in mobile, and I cannot search on the .net site since I cant sign in.
Hmm.. how to put this? We get a decent amount of town-confirmed reads from you, and we also find out if you're telling the truth about the Mailman role. It also solves one problem of town constantly coming back to the idea of "Is Ouro really scum?" over and over because of FEP's slip.
Ok, I'll be more clear - who is next on your list after my flip?
I'm inclined to agree with you. There was definitely a lot of it on Day 1, and it wasn't beneficial to discussion at all.
I think there's a clear difference between the occasional shitpost to lighten up the mood, and like what I noticed from Ty4on on day 1, where half one's posts are shiposts.
that my current viewpoint on the state of the game is wrong, which is valuable in and of itself
If you flipped town and the Mailman role is confirmed? Probably Royal/hey_monkey and Sorian/Sawneeks. Royal's bait and switch on Day 2, targeting Verelios and then voting Sorian, sucked. Sorian comes off in a different light with him suggesting a town hooker and basically confirmation that your role was stopped somehow.
Ok, good to know.
To be honest, if not for your slipup here I might be more inclined to defend you, as my gut is saying you might not be scum. Unfortunately, I can't ignore it after Crimson pointed it out.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'd go with Sorian too. There's a few things from previous days regarding Kitsune, and then this town role blocker nonsense.
This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. A town role blocker sat on Ouro for two nights, despite failing to block a kill the first night, Ouro, who is not a mailman, knows that he has been blocked, which would mean that he'd have to have an information gathering role, since he clearly didn't submit the scum kill whilst blocked. Which would raise the question as to a) why Ouro claimed mailman over this hypothetical information gathering role, and b) the probably scum hooker submitted the night kill, which I'd assume should have cancelled out the virgin.
This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. A town role blocker sat on Ouro for two nights, despite failing to block a kill the first night, Ouro, who is not a mailman, knows that he has been blocked, which would mean that he'd have to have an information gathering role, since he clearly didn't submit the scum kill whilst blocked. Which would raise the question as to a) why Ouro claimed mailman over this hypothetical information gathering role, and b) the probably scum hooker submitted the night kill, which I'd assume should have cancelled out the virgin.
Again, semantic argument. Yes it says we are "shipping" those two. I assume that means writing fanfic about them rather than actually personifying them, so my mistake.
AbsolutBro
Member
Im struggling to see the slip up. Can you explain? Is it just that Ouro posted roles in what is not really a cosplay game?
I don't think scum would help confirm him, even if they got the letter. It looks worse on Ouro if they deny ever getting his letter and let him sit on this awkward roleclaim.
She's saying that when I named claimed, I said we ARE Bowser and Waluigi, rather than we ARE SHIPPING Bowser and Luigi. Which I did, but it's a dumb thing to get hung up on.
All the town related roles so far have flipped as shipping a pair. The sole scum pair that flipped flipped as the pair themselves.
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StarSketch
Banned
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Where's the post where this slip up happens?
Where's the post where this slip up happens?
Mine and Kingkitty's. He apparently read his role PM more closely than I did.
I can't believe I'm supporting Ouro but all the townies pairs are fictional ships and the scum one is a real couple.
... ? that's what I said?
I think he means Neil Patrick Harris and what's his name are actually real people
Semantics argument! >_<;
Yes. That's what I wanted to say with "real".
Right, but bear in mind scum probably has fake claims to use.
I can make this much easier for you with a simple question:
Are you scum? Yes or no?
Well, I'd definitely have to sit down and rethink over a lot of my gut reads since my gut would be wrong if you flipped Town.
Next on my list is focusing on the interactions with FEP/Kits and the votes around them since they are currently the only solid Scum flip we have. If you flip Scum I'll add you to the list of rereads I want to do and then go from there but my current focus goes:
You/KK -> Royal/Monkey -> Crimson/Sophia -> the rest*
*barring whatever I find after rereading Day 2
hey_monkey
Banned
This, absolutely, concur. I might look at racohrs or StarBro or Sawrian. I will have to do a lot of re-reading for sure. Again. Maybe even look at Sophist, who I have pretty solidly town but who knows, really.
Scum get fake claims, though, which I continue to think is weird as hell but it happens.
AbsolutBro
Member
Not just real people, they are an actual couple, so no shipping is necessary.
Just for inactivity, or is there something else? (Im super late to this party.)
See my response to Natiko. Im at my desk the next 90 minutes or so, so if there is something I can specifically clear up for you I will do my best.
I think if Ourokitty's telling the truth, it's plausible that Star could've gotten the message, refrained from mentioning it, and then voted Ourokitty after they posted the codewords, which would seem like a very scum thing to do
but I'm pretty certain Ourokitty are lying, fwiw