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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove

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Burbeting

Banned
starsketch & absolutbro (4)
natiko
franconp
crimsonfist
nomadic sparks
sophia

rac & acohrs (1)
sawneeks

trigger & ty4on (1)
sorian
hey_monkey

natiko & nomadic sparks (0)
nin1000

darryl & nin1000 (1)
sorian
nomadic sparks

sawneeks & sorian (2)
acohrs
darryl

crimsonfist & sophia (2)
natiko
nin1000

xbro & karkador (2)
ty4on
trigger
 
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Sorian

Banned
hey_monkey said:
Trigger is absolutely hiding. The question that is unanswered is why.



That, to me, is the part of their claim that makes the most sense. A town hooker wouldn't want to make risky moves.

Sawrian, did y'all mention blocking someone last night or did you not because there was no NK? Did I miss this?
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We blocked Kark and Xbro, the only time we were able to discuss together was shortly after lynch and then the rest of the night phase was one talking while the other was afk so we settled on them early and then later when I debated rescinding all together, Saw was afk so I just let it go since I'm not really worried about much more in the day of town PRs.
 
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hey_monkey

Banned
Anyway, I absolutely, as a town hooker, would be very cautious with my blocks. Not confirming Ouro still sticks in my craw, but there were breadcrumbs and hints and soft claims galore. For me, the entire Sawrian issue is (wildly, frustratingly) inconclusive and I don't find the lynch there today incredibly productive, but I will listen to sides.
 
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Sophia

Member
Sorian/ Sawneeks, would you have received confirmation if you got the Virgin? Or did the role PM for the Virgin say anything about this?
 
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Sorian

Banned
Sophia said:
Sorian/ Sawneeks, would you have received confirmation if you got the Virgin? Or did the role PM for the Virgin say anything about this?
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Doubtful, our role PM doesn't even mention a virgin nor did it mention that we could do something negative. It's written exactly like a roleblocker with nothing extra. The hooker wording didn't even click for me until part way through day 1 when I happened to go back and look at our PM.
 
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Ty4on

Member
hey_monkey said:
Anyway, I absolutely, as a town hooker, would be very cautious with my blocks. Not confirming Ouro still sticks in my craw, but there were breadcrumbs and hints and soft claims galore. For me, the entire Sawrian issue is (wildly, frustratingly) inconclusive and I don't find the lynch there today incredibly productive, but I will listen to sides.
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Yo, let's talk
 
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AbsolutBro

Member
Ty4on said:
Yo, let's talk
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AbsolutBro said:
Apologies for being absent. We had some flash flooding and the barn took a hit. Spent all morning raking out the barn stall and introducing the new sheep to the older sheep. I should be around the rest of the day.


I apologize, but I've been skimming and apparently missed your questions. I am going back through, but if you bring them up again I will do my best to answer.
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Were there specific questions you wanted me to answer? We've got an hour.

fake edit: fuck you gaf post timer
 
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Ty4on

Member
hey_monkey said:
Yeah, I'd like to hear from Trigger. The issue raised at the end of last day phase and revisited at the beginning here wasn't answered, of Ty talking for Trigger, and Ty's weirdly snarky/defensive "I didn't actually ask you" remark when I provided posts doesn't address but instead deflects. And Trigger skated in, dropped a little bit, and skated back out. I'll give Ty the pass because he's moving but Trigger can come in and speak and theorize and unpack and yet what's happening there?
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I can't answer for Trigger because... I'm not Trigger :/

fwiw his activity is similar in our chat. He talks more and is more open, but there are clear spikes in activity and periods where none of us are talking.
 
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Sawneeks

Banned
So I'll be completely honest here; I'm not sure where to vote.

I don't like Rac/Acohrs but it doesn't seem like they'll be getting any traction and having them just up and vanish right before Day End really didn't help matters. I could build a case but I don't have enough time to do so and most of it would be just Sam/Muffin and how both of Rac/Acohrs just keep dodging my questions or deflecting and I'd just be reiterating myself. I should have done something yesterday and for that I apologize; I was hoping they would have responded since then and to be honest I was a little discouraged after a bad Ouro flip, quiet start of the Day, and then just being out-right ignored. That's on me though and I'm sorry about that.

When it comes down to the current candidates I'm left with an 'I don't know'.

Star/Ab are just kinda nothing. Star has hardly posted anything and her partners fade in and out so it's not like there's a solid read there. I'm not against her lynch since I doubt she would be NKed anyway but I don't feel strongly for her either.

Crimson/Sophia....I'll be honest here, my gut still does not like them. However, after my gut was amazingly wrong about Ouro I'm far more hesitant here since most of my reasoning is them just being so reserved and not really anything other than that ( and Crimson's Day 1 vote on Kits too ). I'm also not terribly against their lynch either to be totally honest but I'm worried I'm wrong here.

Ty/Trigger I've gone back and forth on so much I'm confusing myself here and worried I'm WIFOMing it to death. Ty still gets me to pause for his constant Kit votes and I don't see any evidence against Trigger that is strong enough to outweigh that and tell me he planned out some extreme bussing strategy to gain ultimate Townie points. However, as time goes on this read is wavering as nothing Ty has done since then really screams to me 'hey I'm Townie' and maybe he is riding on the good-graces of that lynch? i don't know.

Kark/Xbro is another I feel iffy on as well. I like Xbro and his contributions but Kark is just in-and-out all the time and I'm very much not used to that from him. They're somewhat similar to Ty/Trigger; I like one member of the pair and just feel uncertain/not great about the other. Not against their lynch either.

For now I would prefer to keep it on Rac/Acohrs as they're my strongest but I will switch it if necessary to pick one pair over another.
 
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AbsolutBro

Member
Ty4on said:
bop

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246203256&postcount=3416

I hate that timer too -_-
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Ah, I sort of answered Natiko's version of that question here:

AbsolutBro said:
Ah. To be clear to everyine, I haven't actually directly accused anyone of actually doing that. I dont know what's going on in your lover chats. It was a "I find huge disparities strange because lover chats are a thing that COULD be used in such and such way".

Like "we discussed X" but you never see both people discuss X in the actual game thread. It allows one partner to say less in the game thread to get caught up in.
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At the time, I was looking into the idea that the more confident players were doing most of the talking for the team, allowing a player more likely to get caught up in a lie to skate by. It was more observation, not accusation. I voted on it later because I didn't like the OuroKitty train at all, and went for the next shadiest thing in my (1 day in the game) mind. I suppose my vote could be seen as turning it from observation to accusation.
 
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Natiko

Banned
VOTE: Xbro

I wonder who would benefit from targeting the two pairs that are most disadvantageous to scum in fran/worm and Sorian/Sawneeks due to the former being hugely Town read and the latter likely being our only good PR. I wonder. Hmm. Ah but they did go after Star as well... who happens to be the leading lynch candidate. Wouldn't want to derail a potential lynch, especially if it'll be a mislynch.
 
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hey_monkey

Banned
Ty4on said:
Yo, let's talk
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Okay! (honestly, I don't know what else to say in response to that...?)

Ty4on said:
I can't answer for Trigger because... I'm not Trigger :/

fwiw his activity is similar in our chat. He talks more and is more open, but there are clear spikes in activity and periods where none of us are talking.
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I don't doubt that it is. Activity level was never the issue. It's when and how that I laid out issues with.

Sawneeks said:
So I'll be completely honest here; I'm not sure where to vote.

I don't like Rac/Acohrs but it doesn't seem like they'll be getting any traction and having them just up and vanish right before Day End really didn't help matters. I could build a case but I don't have enough time to do so and most of it would be just Sam/Muffin and how both of Rac/Acohrs just keep dodging my questions or deflecting and I'd just be reiterating myself. I should have done something yesterday and for that I apologize; I was hoping they would have responded since then and to be honest I was a little discouraged after a bad Ouro flip, quiet start of the Day, and then just being out-right ignored. That's on me though and I'm sorry about that.
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Sawneeks is me; I am Sawneeks. I posted earlier about being really uncertain here in this game. I agree with this about racohrs. I'm really confused as to why everyone seems to be ignoring them as much as they are ignoring the game but we're talking about StarBro - why not discuss them equally?
 
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Sawneeks

Banned
AbsolutBro said:
Sorian / Sawneeks, did either of you ever say whom you are shipping? Just curious.
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Bella Swan and Carlisle Cullen.

hey_monkey said:
Sawneeks is me; I am Sawneeks. I posted earlier about being really uncertain here in this game. I agree with this about racohrs. I'm really confused as to why everyone seems to be ignoring them as much as they are ignoring the game but we're talking about StarBro - why not discuss them equally?
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Yeah, I noticed that too when I was catching up. Star/Ab are nulls who don't give anything on a flip and Rac/Acohrs are too because apparently Sam/Muffin's interactions early on don't mean anything? Same with how Rac/Acohrs have posted more than Star and have just been deflecting or giving half-answers but that's apparently not enough either. :x
 
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AbsolutBro

Member
Most of today's play is swirling around Sorian/Sawneek's claim regarding blocking Ouro/Kitty. There are various accusations surrounding that, and today's lynch should hopefully give information there in.

For me, knowing that there is nothing in Star and my chat or PM boxes about a message from Ouro, I am heavily inclined to believe Sorian/Sawneek's claim that they are the role blockers, though obviously that doesn't tell me their alignment. IF they are town as they claim, lynching them would be a horrible loss of a powerful role, a role which scum will inevitably deal with.

Star/Me. Our lynch isn't a huge loss to town, from either a PR or helpfulness standpoint. I'm not sure what information you really get from it, other than that we are indeed town and had no reason to lie about not getting a message from Ouro. That would solidify Sorian/Sawneeks as role blockers, but still does nothing to prove their alignment. In the end, I'm not sure what other information that results in, but I'm probably just missing the obvious or something.

Kark/xBro read town to me, and Kark clashing with Sorian is hardly alignment indicative. Whether or not he believes that Sorian/Sawneeks played their role the way they did, it's kind of moot unless there's more than speculation. I'm thusfar inclined to believe Sorian, as I said above.
 
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Ty4on

Member
hey_monkey said:
I don't doubt that it is. Activity level was never the issue. It's when and how that I laid out issues with.
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I'm not really sure what it is then?

We generally play our own game and discuss a bit in chat. I don't ever ask Trigger to vote with me or anything so that is just him either agreeing with me or sheeping because he knows I'm town. Day end is also generally a time when he's not very active.
hey_monkey said:
Sawneeks is me; I am Sawneeks. I posted earlier about being really uncertain here in this game. I agree with this about racohrs. I'm really confused as to why everyone seems to be ignoring them as much as they are ignoring the game but we're talking about StarBro - why not discuss them equally?
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There are a few standout townie things with them (biggest being wanting to have recognition for their reads) and at day end they don't seem to be on a team as they're heading their own way instead of saving kitsune and FEP.

They're the first name I took off the PoE. I just don't see them as scum.
 
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Ty4on

Member
AbsolutBro said:
Kark/xBro read town to me, and Kark clashing with Sorian is hardly alignment indicative. Whether or not he believes that Sorian/Sawneeks played their role the way they did, it's kind of moot unless there's more than speculation. I'm thusfar inclined to believe Sorian, as I said above.
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Why?
 
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Sorian

Banned
AbsolutBro said:
never read/watched, so I have no idea who Carlisle is. Doesn't really help my off the wall theory either I suppose. (If you had been a different Frozen pair it may have justified the whole town/town interaction of virgin/hookers)
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I think Carlisle is Edward Cullen's dad which makes me judge Burb a bit for coming up with these pairings.

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What are the votes looking like?
 
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Sorian

Banned
Actually, i see that this would cause a tie.

VOTE: Xbro

I'm not against your Star lynch but I want to hit where I think scum is instead of removing a null factor.
 
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Dr. Worm

Banned
I'm not sure where I'm voting

I hate the "can't lynch Sawrian bc PR" thing - it feels like acquiescing to a hostage situation - but I don't know if I can say with confidence that they're scum
 
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hey_monkey

Banned
Sorian said:
WAMD and Vereliios were from frozen. He was hoping to see there was some link between the virgin and hooker flavor.
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oh! Man, that's right it was Hans and someone, wasn't it? Yeah, I'm guessing the flavor was just constructed to make everyone real uncomfortable, good job, Bear.
 
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Ty4on

Member
Karkador said:
Forgive me if I'm saying anything that's already been said

Thoughts on the "Hooker":

First of all, I'd like to note that I always found Dragonz and Vere a bit harsh in how they were playing, and I wasn't sure if that was just their personality, or what. I've never seen the role that they flipped, but with that hindsight, it makes me wonder if their attitude was them trying to get killed. Maybe it's not as suicidal of a role as Tanner, but it seems like Town benefits if you die before that "something" happens.

However, they weren't really acting all that suicidal, as far as I noticed. They did make defensive plays. It's a weird role to understand in terms of behavior, since we don't really do suicidal roles. But we do know that they were never visited/deactivated by the Hooker, or whatever it was that their role text implied.

So with that said, two possibilities - the Hooker never found them (implying they want to find them, I guess?), or the Hooker isn't in the game.

Virgin does imply Hooker, but it's never a guarantee. Mafia setups often have subtle misdirections made by omitting roles you'd expect. For example, having an "Assistant" to a Doctor (with Doctor powers), with no actual Doctor in the game.
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*notes*
 
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AbsolutBro

Member
Ty4on said:
Why?
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For one, it would be an odd scum move to push Sorian/Sawneeks this hard right now. Believe them or not, suddenly trying to kill a pretty powerful PR (whom I'm taking to be town, so some of this Kark/xBro read is based on that) just seems like a good way to get lynched next, even if you succeed. Scum generally can't win with one for one trades, given that they start with fewer numbers to begin with.

The lack of a "usual Kark gambit" is another reason. I mean, he says his "quiet listening" could be seen as a gambit, but after the Bat-Computer... I also agree with the general sentiment of that whole post. Especially after having to wade through 3100 posts when I subbed in on D2.
 
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CrimsonFist

Member
Xbrodor potentially have RoyalMonkey's claim in their favour. Kark mentioned that they were chat blocked day and night, which should only apply to town if everyone involved is telling the truth. Although of course we don't know if scum would have been informed of that.
 
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Ty4on

Member
CrimsonFist said:
Xbrodor potentially have RoyalMonkey's claim in their favour. Kark mentioned that they were chat blocked day and night, which should only apply to town if everyone involved is telling the truth. Although of course we don't know if scum would have been informed of that.
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I'm pretty sure scum is informed so the blocker doesn't act as a cop. Scum didn't claim chat block in the last game and it helped us a lot in lylo as we could work with blocked pairs being confirmed town.
 
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