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Love Live! School Idol Festival |OT2| Despair comes in a pink envelope
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Love Live Sunshine 4
Chika is definitely feeling herself at the moment
Despite being noticeably less exciting than the last episode, Episode 4 was a good watch. The episode largely focuses on Ruby and Hana, who are given development that's analogous to the first years from the original anime. Ruby and Hana are obvious parallels to Hanayo and Rin, but with different, better & more complex motivations.
Ruby's a pretty gimmicky character at first glance, but her relationships with Hana and especially her sister help her stand out as a character. The scene where she's pretend performing with her sister was super endearing, but it also does a good job of informing to us just how important school idols are for her. It wasn't just something she enjoyed by herself; it was passion that she could enjoy with her sister as well, and it was genuinely sad to see Dia break off from idols.
Hanamaru was pretty much the MVP, and definitely one of, if not the most nuanced characters in Sunshine. We get her entire history, presented storybook style (the anime still hasn't lost its flair for style), and I really appreciate how how her passion for reading in isolation wasn't portrayed as a bad thing. I never really got the sense that Hanamaru was unhappy with her lifestyle, and the anime doesn't really try to make her out to be some unfortunate individual. That said, her passion for books is actually surpassed by her passion for Ruby, which is one of the major themes of this episode. Hana loves Ruby, and I don't mean that in a yuri way. It's a testament to how selfless and supportive she is when her dream is seeing Ruby succeed. It's just outright heartwarming to see her do her best to make that dream a reality. Love Live basically operates on these intimate relationships between the girls, and Hana's devotion to Ruby was one of the best examples it, bar none.
Overall, this episode wasn't as fun as the previous ones, but it was very strong in terms of character development.
Re: The Original Love Live's influence
I totally get the annoyance, but the characters exist in a universe where Muse is essentially as big as it is in real life. The heavy prominence makes sense, since pretty much every school idol group going forward has been significantly influenced by Muse. The girls look up to Muse and want to succeed just like them, and I actually really like the fact that they're passionate about individual Muse members. Of course Ruby would love Hanayo, because Ruby finds comfort in knowing that an incredibly shy person like Hanayo could succeed. Hana routinely puts herself down for not being athletic enough (nice inversion), but she finds solace in the fact Rin had doubts as well. I'll admit however, that I dislike the show's insistence on following the same format as the original anime. Regardless of how they subvert expectations, it just feels too familiar. Hopefully, this lessens as the series goes on, and I extra hope Dia doesn't join in episode 8.
Ruby's a pretty gimmicky character at first glance, but her relationships with Hana and especially her sister help her stand out as a character. The scene where she's pretend performing with her sister was super endearing, but it also does a good job of informing to us just how important school idols are for her. It wasn't just something she enjoyed by herself; it was passion that she could enjoy with her sister as well, and it was genuinely sad to see Dia break off from idols.
Hanamaru was pretty much the MVP, and definitely one of, if not the most nuanced characters in Sunshine. We get her entire history, presented storybook style (the anime still hasn't lost its flair for style), and I really appreciate how how her passion for reading in isolation wasn't portrayed as a bad thing. I never really got the sense that Hanamaru was unhappy with her lifestyle, and the anime doesn't really try to make her out to be some unfortunate individual. That said, her passion for books is actually surpassed by her passion for Ruby, which is one of the major themes of this episode. Hana loves Ruby, and I don't mean that in a yuri way. It's a testament to how selfless and supportive she is when her dream is seeing Ruby succeed. It's just outright heartwarming to see her do her best to make that dream a reality. Love Live basically operates on these intimate relationships between the girls, and Hana's devotion to Ruby was one of the best examples it, bar none.
Overall, this episode wasn't as fun as the previous ones, but it was very strong in terms of character development.
Re: The Original Love Live's influence
I totally get the annoyance, but the characters exist in a universe where Muse is essentially as big as it is in real life. The heavy prominence makes sense, since pretty much every school idol group going forward has been significantly influenced by Muse. The girls look up to Muse and want to succeed just like them, and I actually really like the fact that they're passionate about individual Muse members. Of course Ruby would love Hanayo, because Ruby finds comfort in knowing that an incredibly shy person like Hanayo could succeed. Hana routinely puts herself down for not being athletic enough (nice inversion), but she finds solace in the fact Rin had doubts as well. I'll admit however, that I dislike the show's insistence on following the same format as the original anime. Regardless of how they subvert expectations, it just feels too familiar. Hopefully, this lessens as the series goes on, and I extra hope Dia doesn't join in episode 8.
shit, you're Dia too. Well, different Dias so I guess it's OK.
I feel like them not having a real "reason" to start the idol club is supposed to support the fact that these girls are doing this purely out of their passion for idols/µ's. They didn't need a reason like saving the school, they were just so inspired by µ's that they wanted to be like them.
Never too much Dia
phoenix296
Member
"Love Live 5th Anniversary"
Does this mean that Sunshine is 5 years after the first?
Does this mean that Sunshine is 5 years after the first?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well it's weird, since there were 2 Love Lives in a single year...
Bob Coffee
Member
Love Live Sun shiiiiinyyyyyy ep 4
the series could be moving in directions i am very pleased with. the over dependence on µ's as a narrative force actually works really well here establishing more of the Dia/ruby sibling relationship and even name dropping some of each girls favorite idorus. the Dia/ruby acting out being school idols scene was really touching. Dia's is obviously Eli(good taste!) and Ruby's Hanayo. Unlike the rin/hanayo dynamic in LL season 1, where rin was mostly an afterthought untill the ep focused on her, Hanamaru is covered very well in almost storybook fashion, and seeing her play the support role is almost more touching than rin/maki nuding hanayo to become an idol in LL season1. But we find in learning about school idols, hanamaru herself wants to try it as well and looks up to rin. which is surprising when hanamaru's character traits are best contrasted with hanayo. Seeing ruby stand up to Dia at the end of the episode was also very very nice.
But more interesting than ruby/hanamaru's charicter devlopment is whats going on with the third years, the story seems to somewhat hint that possibly in the past they tried to start a school idol club at some point and failed(maybe due to Mari leaving japan, or something she did as; kanan and dia dont seem all that happy to see her?). Dia clearly opposes a school idol club(i think it possibly may come from past failures/not wanting to put ruby through the same thing), Mari's reason for returning seems to be the school idol club, and kanan seems kind of in the middle. this gives the series an opportunity to explore somethings that never really came up in LL.
Honestly i hope they go all in on the third year's failing and this being their second chance for idol redemption, as this wasn't a theme really explored in love live. Secondly i hope the season actually ends with aqours failing in the LL prelims to some Podunk school.Why you ask? in the original Love live everything was handed to µ's more or less on a golden platter. the group never had to deal with true failure aside from a minor setback with honks overworking herself. this gives sunshine a chance to do two things, A) give a reason for all 9 to get gud second season and B) gives aqours a chance to stand on there own as idols and not be copypasta µ's 2.0. Everything's been "we want to be like µ's" this "lets do things like µ's" that, and if this blows up in there face at some point as causes them to question, and eventually rise up and be there own school idols, then the heavy focus on µ's being there influence will ultimately be justified
But more interesting than ruby/hanamaru's charicter devlopment is whats going on with the third years, the story seems to somewhat hint that possibly in the past they tried to start a school idol club at some point and failed(maybe due to Mari leaving japan, or something she did as; kanan and dia dont seem all that happy to see her?). Dia clearly opposes a school idol club(i think it possibly may come from past failures/not wanting to put ruby through the same thing), Mari's reason for returning seems to be the school idol club, and kanan seems kind of in the middle. this gives the series an opportunity to explore somethings that never really came up in LL.
Honestly i hope they go all in on the third year's failing and this being their second chance for idol redemption, as this wasn't a theme really explored in love live. Secondly i hope the season actually ends with aqours failing in the LL prelims to some Podunk school.Why you ask? in the original Love live everything was handed to µ's more or less on a golden platter. the group never had to deal with true failure aside from a minor setback with honks overworking herself. this gives sunshine a chance to do two things, A) give a reason for all 9 to get gud second season and B) gives aqours a chance to stand on there own as idols and not be copypasta µ's 2.0. Everything's been "we want to be like µ's" this "lets do things like µ's" that, and if this blows up in there face at some point as causes them to question, and eventually rise up and be there own school idols, then the heavy focus on µ's being there influence will ultimately be justified
I think you're misremembering OG LL. Muse was Nico's second chance after failing at idoling the first time, and Muse ended the first season having failed to even enter the Love Live. What you describe would be a retread with some variation.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ultimately there's two ways to go. They lose, or they win but it's just the local tournament or something before the big one.
That said, I'm assuming they're going to want to milk this over two or more seasons.
That said, I'm assuming they're going to want to milk this over two or more seasons.
Owlowiscious
Member
LLSS 4?
Dia is Nico, in backstory. All this failed idol stuff and denying this new idol group is all Nico's backstory. Dia is Nico as school president.
I know Dia is the Eli clone so maybe this Nico relation is just a spin on Eli's failure in ballet. But since the start I felt that Dia was Nico..... but also I was confusing Yohane in a face mask as Dia. Thinking back the hairball = Yohane so I got them confused for a while.
I know Dia is the Eli clone so maybe this Nico relation is just a spin on Eli's failure in ballet. But since the start I felt that Dia was Nico..... but also I was confusing Yohane in a face mask as Dia. Thinking back the hairball = Yohane so I got them confused for a while.
Tye The Czar
Member
I'm just going to stop trying to making comparisons between members of µ's and Aqours. 😐 The anime so far is already so structurally identical and reliant on OG that it should have been called Love Live 2: Sunshine Boogaloo 😎.
I find the Aqours members to be substantially more unique and well-rounded compared to µ's, which consisted of anime girl archetypes(can't think of what Nico falls under) played almost completely straight.
I find the Aqours members to be substantially more unique and well-rounded compared to µ's, which consisted of anime girl archetypes(can't think of what Nico falls under) played almost completely straight.
Plot twist. They don't win Love Live! but unlike µ's they don't break up and continue to have an idol career after graduating and spend their later years as a µ's tribute band.
We also find out the dark secret of µ's. They are all dead (murdered) apart from Honoka, who has fled to New York and taken on a new identity of Hannah Karr.
We also find out the dark secret of µ's. They are all dead (murdered) apart from Honoka, who has fled to New York and taken on a new identity of Hannah Karr.
Bob Coffee
Member
you forgot the part whare Hannah karr time travels and goes back to tell honoka that breaking up is the right thing and corrects the time line.
Score Match coming up on the English version, and they've confirmed that they won't be raising the tier requirements any. Looks like I'm skipping another event.
if the other versions is/was integrated into LLSIF EN, then that's just total BS (not like the 10% increase before wasn't)
Yeah, it's getting really frustrating. My interest in the game grows less by the day, I'm finding it difficult to even log in daily for the reward (I've already given up doing the goals for the one free Love Gem per day).
The in-game events were the only thing I really enjoyed about this game, if they keep this up, I'll lose interest entirely and move on. It's not as though there's a shortage of gatcha games out there, although (unfortunately) none of this style, unless you count Japan-only release.
Heck, I'll post it here, too:
tl;dr:
1) (decent) score skills are equivalent to a few hundred stat points
2) idolized SRs are often very similar to unidolized URs, at least when filling out non-center spots (this varies a lot based on individual cards)
3) stats SI skills > skill change SI skill
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tl;dr:
1) (decent) score skills are equivalent to a few hundred stat points
2) idolized SRs are often very similar to unidolized URs, at least when filling out non-center spots (this varies a lot based on individual cards)
3) stats SI skills > skill change SI skill
Love Live: Sunshine 5
This episode pulled the wool over my head in the best way possible. So up until now, we all thought Yoshiko would be a super chuuni, right? But the opening of this episode has her COMPLETELY denouncing the chuuni life. Madness. What follows is a relatively standard, but really entertaining episode (seriously, this episode is hysterical) where the girls convince Yoshiko that it's okay to indulge in what you truly love and be yourself. I did like the message, and Yoshiko is a character with a surprising amount of depth (she's overly self conscious). She'll definitely add to the group in a big way.
In other news, Riko and Chika's chemistry is incredible. Like, it's some boy meets world type shit. Riko in generally is a deceptively entertaining character, and every week they up the ante with her jokes surrounding her. Unfortunately, the ending of this episode has me worried in a BIG way. I haven't minded the obvious parallels to the original Love Live so far, but if the show follows a similar school closure route then that's some serious cause for alarm.
You wouldn't hurt me, right Love Live?
In other news, Riko and Chika's chemistry is incredible. Like, it's some boy meets world type shit. Riko in generally is a deceptively entertaining character, and every week they up the ante with her jokes surrounding her. Unfortunately, the ending of this episode has me worried in a BIG way. I haven't minded the obvious parallels to the original Love Live so far, but if the show follows a similar school closure route then that's some serious cause for alarm.
You wouldn't hurt me, right Love Live?
Gonna write more stuff about this ep when I'm not tired
Sadly, it seems this is the case, unless they fake us out hella. The next episode has a re-enrollment form thing, so looks like this is what's gonna happen.
That was a part of the original scenario, yeah. But a lot of aspects from the original scenario have been dropped. Like Dia not even knowing what idols were, Hana being a part of the choir, etc. I was hoping they'd drop this too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88Hg-vP634
I like Yoshiko a lot.
I don't like Zuramaru's gimmick of living in the Showa era and never going to friends' houses or out at all until high school. She makes good faces, though.
Their interaction is great.
I love Chika's shtick of climbing up on a desk when she wants to earnestly entreat someone.
Poor Riko
Damn Riko!
http://i.imgur.com/MigZxZ9.mp4 <-- I'll spare you the 10 MB gif
And uh oh! School closure? Membership in the school idol club mandated for student council presidents? Probably the former.
I don't like Zuramaru's gimmick of living in the Showa era and never going to friends' houses or out at all until high school. She makes good faces, though.
Their interaction is great.
I love Chika's shtick of climbing up on a desk when she wants to earnestly entreat someone.
Poor Riko
Damn Riko!
http://i.imgur.com/MigZxZ9.mp4 <-- I'll spare you the 10 MB gif
And uh oh! School closure? Membership in the school idol club mandated for student council presidents? Probably the former.
That just means Kanan's coming back.
Why tf didn't I assume that. Well, that means there's still hope that they aren't gonna close the school down. Though making Kanan come back in order to increase # of students and prevent closing down is a thing
When Dia slid the laptop towards the others I had a heart attack. You don't do that to laptops, Dia!
I am so terrified
Tye The Czar
Member
I feel like Yoshiko's characterization is handled a lot better than Nico. Like with Yohane, Nico gave off a vastly different impression before the anime even aired. From her debut, to even after her development in Season 2, Nico has a sizable group of haters(I am not one of them). This is mostly due in part to her antagonistic, Kanye West-like ego. Sunshine gives Yoshiko a similar "split" personality, but handles her more gracefully.
If anything, I'll say that Sunshine so far is surpassing OG in almost every way.
phoenix296
Member
Apparently that form is a re-enrollment form. Perhaps Kanan has been gone so long that she has to re-enroll?
e: I'm late.
e: I'm late.
Yoshiko is ending up as my favorite so far. Love her chuuni-ness, and I really like her characterization in how she just wants to live like a normal high schooler. Hanamura is also the most precious thing omg. Really loved this week's episode and was smiling throughout most of the whole thing.
TheGeniusArcana
Member
The episode was great in a lot of ways, but I don't buy Aqours getting that kind of crazy popularity so quickly at all. That was one of my gripes with the original show and it's almost worse here.
Here's the live stream for the Aqours Summer event in Numazu that happened today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ZDPQFT78k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ZDPQFT78k
Their initial Pure R cards were in the english version for about a month in the seal shop, but that's it until Fall when they'll be added properly.
That's why events and sets are so fucked up on the english version right now, they're rushing to catch up to JP so they can add aqours.
Tye The Czar
Member
Chuuni is close to nico conceptually but I think dio is closer to Nico's actual personality
Tye The Czar
Member
I'm still waiting for Mari to express her love of Industrial Metal.
I also hope that Mari is merely trolling with her great Engrish and actually speaks native English for real.
D3RANG3D
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