LTTP: KOTOR2 (Or: Did the budget just run out...?)

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I loved KOTOR1 back in the day, but fatigue had set in and I never got more than an hour into KOTOR2. Since the PC version just got remastered a few months ago, I figured I would give it a go!

I had an okay time with it, towards the middle of the game I suddenly got SUPER overpowered (dual wielding sentinel) and was killing most things in 1 hit.

And then the game ended. With the most anti-climactic single dialogue ending I've seen in an RPG. It completely took the wind out of my sails. What the heck happened?

Did I just skip over some key story by not doing every side quest possible? None of the companions felt fleshed out in a meaningful way (I can barely remember most of their names.)

Even the antagonists were lackluster and boring.

What happened to this game?
 
The companions not being more fleshed out is unfortunately just the game (with some exceptions), and something the Restoration mod only helps with a bit.

But yes you should install the Restoration mod and give that a go. It still doesn't make the final act great, but it's better than vanilla.

A lot of people will say Kreia is KOTOR 2's best character, and while she's interesting I'd actually go with Atton, especially with the Restoration Mod. That dude's got layers.
 
Anyone who's playing the game today should do so with the restored content mod.

Also,
would you categorize Kreia as a companion or an antagonist? Because I think she's
one of the greatest and most memorable characters in gaming.
 
Playing through KotoR again right now.

It's by far one of the greatest games ever. It's in my top 10.

I've yet to play modded KotoR 2. Really looking forward to it.
 
The ending was philosophically intriguing, and the cliffhanger, whilst frustrating, was more bearable back when another sequel seemed inevitable.

These days, it's an incomplete stop to what could have been the single best overarching story in the Star Wars universe... and from what I've read concerning TOR's story efforts in regards to Revan and the Exile, they probably ought not to have bothered.
 
Durante said:
Anyone who's playing the game today should do so with the restored content mod.

Also,
would you categorize Kreia as a companion or an antagonist? Because I think she's
one of the greatest and most memorable characters in gaming.
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Kreia is probably the only really well fleshed out character in the game. I love what they did with her. Unfortunately, the ending kind of ruined what they built with LOL TELL ME THE FUTURE OK NOW YOU DIE.
 
The whole thing was very rushed. Lucasarts wanted it made in less than 18 months and Obsidian were foolish enough to agree. Unless there is something I'm missing, I think they are both to blame.

Even still it's one the best written RPGs of all time with memorable characters and a killer atmosphere (which is rare in an RPG IMO). I still don't think it can touch the original though.

Durante said:
Anyone who's playing the game today should do so with the restored content mod.

Also,
would you categorize Kreia as a companion or an antagonist? Because I think she's
one of the greatest and most memorable characters in gaming.
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She is both, which is a testament to how well she is written and acted. She deserved more than dying to reveal a few vague references to future events
 
Durante said:
Anyone who's playing the game today should do so with the restored content mod.

Also,
would you categorize Kreia as a companion or an antagonist? Because I think she's
one of the greatest and most memorable characters in gaming.
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Laputa_94 said:
I'm making my way through KOTOR I for the first time, and will eventually play II. So This is my first time hearing of this mod thanks for bringing it up I'll make sure to get this.
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KOTOR I has a Restored Content Mod as well
also i reccomend using a mod for a certain characters clothes if your going Darkside once a big plotbomb is dropped
trust me youll know when
because the default clothes look horrible
 
DXLelouch153 said:
KOTOR I has a Restored Content Mod as well
also i reccomend using a mod for a certain characters clothes if your going Darkside once a big plotbomb is dropped
trust me youll know when
because the default clothes look horrible
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Thanks i'll look this up for when I play next.
 
I had the same experience as the OP .

Clearly an incomplete game. I am somewhat amazed that it got to the market in such shameful state.

It could have been a nice sequel, but did not happen. Kotor1 for me remains superior in every aspects.
 
Sion and Nihilus are not good (or, to put it a different way, they are good in the way any Star Wars villain is good, but they certainly aren't very complicated people), but if you consider
Kreia
a villain, then you can't get much more of a nuanced villain than that in vidya games.
 
I'm playing through it currently and considering I generally prefer Obsidian to Bioware and especially Bethesda I was expecting to prefer it to 1. But the game is suuuuuch a slog to me. I think I had my fill of KOTOR with 1 honestly. The combat in both games is sub-par and was easily outclassed by Dragon Age: Origins, pretty much all of KOTOR 2's opening is boring (Peragus then Telos then Telos Surface and I didn't even enjoy Nar Shadaa). The new crafting system is unintuitive and the forced parts where you don't play as the PC suck. I don't consider a more nuanced look at the Star Wars universe and better written characters to make a better game. And yes I'm playing with the Restored Content Mod enabled. I don't even feel like the game is incomplete or anything - just boring.

It's a shame too considering how much KOTOR 2 gets hyped up and how Fallout: NV is in my top 5 games of all time.
 
Obsidian had like 18 months to make it and yeah not a lot of money. I wasn't a huge fan of it my first time through either, but i completely 180'd after playing it again. Kreia is one of the best characters in the star wars universe, The fact alone that she actually criticizes you for being a blood thirty monster or, the paragon of all things good, in certain situations puts the game ahead kotor 1 for me. The influence system, while it definitely has it's flaws, also really stands out to me. *Character spoilers*
Gaining handmaidens influence, than making her revoke her vow to Atris so she can be trained as a dark jedi is one of the coolest things I've seen in a video game
. It's with out a doubt a flawed game, but i think it makes up for those flaws when its all done.
 
The early release of this game is one of the biggest tragedies in gaming, the personal, smaller scale of the story is one of my favorite things about it, if only it had been finished.

"Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you."
 
I really wish further dialogue with the companions wasn't gated by approval. Several of the characters (like Atton and to some extent Kreia) only become interesting, complex characters by virtue of them liking you enough to talk about stuff. Considering I found Kreia to mostly just be a salty, selfish old person while she travelled with me, I had to find her dialogues through YT to develop a further appreciation of her.
 
Also, any fan of the game should check out this LP. Very informative and goes into a lot of cut content as well as some theory stuff that's pretty cool. It gave me an even deeper appreciation of one of my favorite games.
 
Yeah I remember playing the last boss over a couple of times and choosing different dialogue options thinking I got some borked ending given how abrupt and brief it was.

Between that and certain main story beats not aligning with the Dark Side path whatsoever I came away pretty disappointed in KOTOR2.
 
The ending isn't great but I never really got the complaint aside from it being rushed. The endings for the original KOTOR were terrible one minute sequences, so it's not like there was some great precedence.
 
I played it for the first time this month too and it's pretty much my feeling.
I was expecting it to be better than the first one with all the good word-of-mouth but in the end it fell short: boring dungeons, uninteresting combat, undeveloped characters for the most part (even with the restored content mod) and so many bugs...
I still enjoyed my time with it and liked the story and writing, but I can't say I wasn't disappointed. Though I wish Obsidian had a chance to do KotOR 3 (with enough time and a decent budget) instead of what happened in ToR story-wise.
 
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