HeisenbergFX4
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Possibly higher but yeah at least 400 now I believe Colin even more
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Kotaku: Concord budget was $200M which did not include marketing, the sale of IP rights or the acquisition of the studio
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Didn't Colin outright state the 400 million figure was JUST dev costs?
I know he said it didn't include the purchase of the company.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Nor the marketing
Just dev costs.
So the people parroting Colin, and also think the marketing and acquisition costs were outrageous, must believe total costs were $600M or similar.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Nope. Not an accountant. Ive stated on GAF here and there I dont even have a designation.It'll be interesting to see if we get numbers in the next quarterly report.
StreetsofBeige arent you an accountant? Don't they list major "write offs" like this where projects make no income and are basically fully written as a loss? Or can they obfuscate it?
Like, will there be a line item that says "LOSS DUE TO FIREWALK SHUTDOWN AND CONCORD WRITE OFF -- ($220M)" or something like that?
For losses, they will write it off, but it comes down to if they think it's big enough to publicly spotlight that with a paragraph description. Companies are typically vague on stuff unless they really need to tell people. My company has disbanded entire product lines. They are usually small scale and shitty. They've never specifically highlighted in a report Brand X is discontinued leading to XXX losses and writeoffs. BUT, if there's brands kicking ass that move the needle they will often specify the brands carrying the torch.
Firewalk losses are small when compared to Sony as a whole corporation.
Whatever costs of Firewalk/Concord have already been going on in 2023 and part of 2024, yet they havent even highlighted that anywhere. It'd be baked into gaming dev costs as a whole or however they do it.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah so all this "declaring him right" because of marketing costs, the cost of the company, etc. isn't really making sense.
If colin is right, then the overall hit for Sony is well North of $400 million, as their entire investment went down the drain.
It’s really crazy how it wasn’t front page news on major papers. A company outright losing the best part of half a billion, as a 100% write off is probably the biggest single loss catastrophe for any film or game. Even the biggest movie flops make back a good chunk of their budgets, even if it’s still a big loss. And yeah it’s sounding like he was on the money.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Because there’s no facts here, the $400M figure thrown out was not done so by someone with “journalist” integrity
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Which seems more and more plausible to me
Doubters asking for receipts to prove those numbers wrong are just adding their own guesses which carry way less weight then numbers we have been given by people who actually know people
But guesses are much more accurate right?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That doesn't make sense.. you replied to a post about marketing budgets and other costs that Colin said weren't part of the $400 million.
So those things have nothing to do with his guess, and would be added to it as total overall money spent on Firewalk/Concord. Why is that suddenly more believable now?
If you think Sony spent "dev costs + $200 million:", then if you believe what Colin said you believe they spent $600 million all told on this failed investment
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James Sawyer Ford
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Not even SM2 cost $400M, it’s just not reasonable
Perrott
Member
They don't.
Colin's claim was that 400M had been spent on development before accounting for the marketing and studio acquisition, which was a ridiculous claim for anyone that has even the lightest idea of how money is being spent in game dev.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Personally don't care what SM2 cost
Don't care what Halo Infinite cost (which I personally know the real number)
Honestly not sure why some of you guys are taking these costs so personally and trying your best to debunk things that are being reported on or making up your own numbers
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Just having a conversation, nothing personal here.
Nydius
Gold Member
James and Men In Boxes are the two biggest Concord clowns on these forums. They simply cannot accept reality that this game will be the biggest flop of not just this generation but several generations. They just keep coming back with the same shitposts and the same whataboutisms. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why. The game is done. Gone. Never to return. Meanwhile, the "wHaT aBoUt HaLo" is still alive and kicking, even if the engagement numbers are mediocre.
I've done my best to not ignore anyone around here but after the last few months of the same constant bullshit from these two over Concord flopping, I've had to put them both on my ignore list. There's no point engaging with them. Every time the topic comes up, the two of them posting reminds me of a moment from WrestleMania IX...
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I hate putting people on ignore here and I totally don't mind disagreeing withJames and Men In Boxes are the two biggest Concord clowns on these forums. They simply cannot accept reality that this game will be the biggest flop of not just this generation but several generations. They just keep coming back with the same shitposts and the same whataboutisms. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why. The game is done. Gone. Never to return. Meanwhile, the "wHaT aBoUt HaLo" is still alive and kicking, even if the engagement numbers are mediocre.
I've done my best to not ignore anyone around here but after the last few months of the same constant bullshit from these two over Concord flopping, I've had to put them both on my ignore list. There's no point engaging with them. Every time the topic comes up, the two of them posting reminds me of a moment from WrestleMania IX...
James Sawyer Ford
as he has never made it a personal attack on me and we can just agree to disagreeI don't have some on ignore though when they start the name calling
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Putting people on ignore reduces the fun!I hate putting people on ignore here and I totally don't mind disagreeing with
I don't have some on ignore though when they start the name calling
ViciousAgenda
Member
Genuinely can't understand why they need to defend that heap of shit.James and Men In Boxes are the two biggest Concord clowns on these forums. They simply cannot accept reality that this game will be the biggest flop of not just this generation but several generations. They just keep coming back with the same shitposts and the same whataboutisms. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why. The game is done. Gone. Never to return. Meanwhile, the "wHaT aBoUt HaLo" is still alive and kicking, even if the engagement numbers are mediocre.
I've done my best to not ignore anyone around here but after the last few months of the same constant bullshit from these two over Concord flopping, I've had to put them both on my ignore list. There's no point engaging with them. Every time the topic comes up, the two of them posting reminds me of a moment from WrestleMania IX...
James Sawyer Ford
Member
My numbers are based on pretty realistic estimates of headcount and years of development, using data from the insomniac leaks.
I would say that’s more reliable than the $400M dev costs alone because it’s grounded in reality
TheChumpNation
Member
Wait, I thought Colin Moriarty made all that up because he's a right wing grifter?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The thing is though that when those halo infinite rumors started, the creative director (Frank / "stinkles") publicly commented that the figure was wrong.
No one from Sony / Firewalk / Concord has refuted these claims, which only lends them more credence, until proven otherwise.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
A no comment does not lead any credence to the rumors. What are you talking about? Just because Stinkles denied certain claims doesn’t mean that a lack of a statement gives any sort of evidence for other studios
We also have Sony PMs on Twitter denying the $400M figures, so you’re wrong there too
ChorizoPicozo
Member
sony has a policy of no commenting on rumors and speculation for a reason. it's a lose-lose scenario
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure, but Firewalk people have very active social media accounts, any of them could have tagged and commented on the rumor before today if this was not true. They definitely commented on a lot of other things during the last few months.
See above. The lack of any comment from the active social media presence only leads to things like this sounding more true by the day.
It's clear that *you* are not going to believe this until you see a budget approval sheet signed by Herman Hulst, but the rest of us are commenting based on how there's 2, 3 different people reporting a very high budget figure.
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James Sawyer Ford
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No it doesn’t. Most studios will not comment on financial rumors on social media
And a Sony PM already shot down the claims
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Which Sony PM ? Do you mind sharing that ? I haven't seen that yet.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Here it is
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
It might have been $400m for the launch plus an entire season of content, but realistically for a couple of years of burn rate... that seems way too much to me to be plausible. I highly doubt the staff were being paid higher than the rest of Sony first-party and the plain fact is that it wasn't that big of a team/studio.
$400m is the sort of figure I'd expect for a 5-6 year dev cycle, like TLOU2.
$400m is the sort of figure I'd expect for a 5-6 year dev cycle, like TLOU2.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah but Ybarra told me its final cost
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I guess you can’t reveal?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Trilobit
Member
I've never blocked anyone here. The fun stuff happen when you collide somewhat with other users and there's flying sparks in a good discussion. But I wouldn't be surprised if I have been blocked by quite a few.
The only thing I've blocked has been the too numerous butt and boob threads that filled page 1 on Off-Topic at one point.
Aaron Olive
Member
Nope… think"Mr. Hulst, please report to Sony HQ in Japan, effective immediately."
deeper, why you think Jim Ryan retired early…… he knew what above was coming….!
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Dusktildawn48
Member
He's never gonna stop, he'll defend his plastic box until the day he dies.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It has nothing to do with defending a plastic box. Concord is a major flop.
Just because I don’t believe it cost $600M like some of you doesn’t mean I’m defending Concord. I’m just defending getting the story correct, while a lot of you just simply believe anything as long as it piles on even more
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MatrixReloaded101
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Imagine blowing over $200 million and having nothing to show for it. That’s crazy, Jim was smart to leave when he did.
The new CEOs have a long road ahead to recoup all that money.
The new CEOs have a long road ahead to recoup all that money.
No he wasn’t. He claimed the development budget was 400 million alone without even factoring in the other elements. That’s what people found ludicrous, and they’ve been proven correct. This isn’t difficult, I don’t even like concord, but accuracy should matter.So Colin Moriarty was right, 400 million for everything, what a colossal waste of money, whoever saw "something worth" in this piece of garbage game should resign, but yesterday
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
He asked me not to
Considerably moreOver or under $400m ?
Tell us or the bunny gets it.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Hot damn…maybe I was redeemed on my Halo Infinite claim that it’s one of the biggest flops of all time (and I enjoyed the game well enough even though it didn’t meet high expectations)
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, they are switching to the multiplatform UE5 for the franchise.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nope… think
BREAKING: Sony is shutting down Firewalk Studios, the maker of the recent shooter Concord (Update: Neon Koi is also closing)
Does this guy still have a job? He should be next, if there's any justice in the world.
mckmas8808
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JerryinSoCal
Member
I just remember Colin said about half of the money was spent before Sony was involved so he made it sound like Sony's loss was far less than the full $400 million but it was still very significant.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because the got rid of the guy that's really to blame. Jim Ryan!
Development + Marketing would get to that figure, or close to it.
NAH. Not just development and marketing.
FunkMiller
Member
I believed 400 million was probably pretty accurate when it was initially reported because I know how expensive marketing and advertising actually is on a global scale.
I do struggle to believe the whole package was more than that though.
I do struggle to believe the whole package was more than that though.
