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LTTP: Xbox Series S after two years of PS5

Agreed. You're right. Why buy any consoles or capable hardware at all. Just subscribe to Stadia, Luna, xCloud, or PSNow. Streaming is inevitable.
Streaming is an option that gamers can use or not. Regardless games are what matters not TF. All current generation hardware is capable.
 

Kataploom

Gold Member
Agreed. You're right. Why buy any consoles or capable hardware at all. Just subscribe to Stadia, Luna, xCloud, or PSNow. Streaming is inevitable.
Come on you can't be serious, the Series S is killing it in Latin America being the most sold console in some countries, tell those people to just use the cloud and they'll laugh hard at you
 

LordOfChaos

Member
4 v 12 TF is an exponential margin. However, the value of 299 vs 499 is less than a 3x increase in the value you get by going with the Series X (and its not just the teraflops). I get it thought, your bar is lower for how you want a game to perform.

3x the value is a ridiculous statement. Is an RTX 4090 a 2.3x better value than a 3090 because it's 82Tflops instead of 35? I'd say no, because that's a boneheaded rediculous way to judge value. And I don't see any other way it's 3xing the SS apart from GPU flops.

Yes, it's better if you want 4K or closer to it. But the next gen CPUs and SSD speeds are maintained and it's largely running everything the bigger box can just at a culled resolution with some drops in detail, with only a few odd developers blaming it for magically holding back the other bigger boxes to 30fps when most games are still running on the Jaguar consoles ffs.

It's fine to want that extra detail. I'm just saying I already have a PS5 for the better performance on crossplatforms and exclusives, and so far games made for the Series S aren't at all a bother to me considering it's about half the cost and gets me the xbox half of this generation as well. No one's actually insulting the Series X in this thread. Why does that make people so weird? it's the compensation
 

Kataploom

Gold Member
4 v 12 TF is an exponential margin. However, the value of 299 vs 499 is less than a 3x increase in the value you get by going with the Series X (and its not just the teraflops). I get it thought, your bar is lower for how you want a game to perform.
You're buying a whole new console, not a GPU, does CPU, SSD, controller, and other similar components not get into that maths?

Heck if it was just a GPU it doesn't work like that there neither lol
 

LordOfChaos

Member
Ok...The controller battery situation is annoying. Never had an issue with my Dualsense as I just plug it in when I'm done, but having had to swap the AA batteries a few times with that stiff ass battery door is annoying. Even if you get rechargeable ones (I did), you can't charge them in the actual controller and have to take them out and in all the time.

Guess that play and charge kit is in my future, but the batteries should have just been internal and rechargeable imo.
 
My one is sitting in its box in the attic and will probably not touch it again any time soon. I tried selling it €200 but nobody wanted it.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
4 v 12 TF is an exponential margin. However, the value of 299 vs 499 is less than a 3x increase in the value you get by going with the Series X (and its not just the teraflops). I get it thought, your bar is lower for how you want a game to perform.

Games on the flagship consoles aren’t looking 3x better than on the Series S, though. So I’m not sure why you think that multiplier makes sense.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Ok...The controller battery situation is annoying. Never had an issue with my Dualsense as I just plug it in when I'm done, but having had to swap the AA batteries a few times with that stiff ass battery door is annoying. Even if you get rechargeable ones (I did), you can't charge them in the actual controller and have to take them out and in all the time.

Guess that play and charge kit is in my future, but the batteries should have just been internal and rechargeable imo.

Just buy a $25 rechargeable kit on Amazon that comes with a dock, just sits on top and charges at night. No need to ever take batteries out.

Fosmon Dual 2 Controller Charger Compatible with Xbox Series X/S Controllers (Not for Xbox One / 360), (Two Slot) High Speed Docking Charging Station with 2 Rechargeable Battery - White https://a.co/d/057eDQ5
 
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noise36

Member
Ok...The controller battery situation is annoying. Never had an issue with my Dualsense as I just plug it in when I'm done, but having had to swap the AA batteries a few times with that stiff ass battery door is annoying. Even if you get rechargeable ones (I did), you can't charge them in the actual controller and have to take them out and in all the time.

Guess that play and charge kit is in my future, but the batteries should have just been internal and rechargeable imo.
If you are setup correctly its the non removable batteries of PS5/Switch controllers that are a pain in the ass.

xbox you just check in some more eneloops and keep playing without skipping a a beat, anyone with kids will always have a supply charged and ready to go. PS5/Switch controllers run out while you are playing and you have to go sit in front of the TV with the charge cable plugged.

Having all three consoles, this exact scenario plays out constantly with my kids. There is litrally no upside to non-removeable batties, and if you get a play and charge kit you get the best of both worlds.
 
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PeteBull

Member
Only truthful and relevant thing you’ve said.
Why even engage if u think i lied in basically every other sentence, i just used facts, and ofc i didnt buy xss since its terrible value from my pov, when ppl buy high end gpu for crazy big cash at least u know those guys arent budget constrained, xss audience is supposed to be poor af if they see any value in buying 3x worse machine for roughly half the price but still will have to buy games(heavily gimped games) at the same price as premium console users.

I for one, given the choice would rather wait month or two, save bit more cash and buy proper current gen console instead (ps5 or xsx, lets not go into ps vs xbox war).

Edit: there is tons of ppl around who cant recognise good value, so im not even surprised xss selling ok(cant say its selling amazing coz it sells worse from ps5 while buying cheaper, and ps5 itself suffers all kinds of hardships itself).

In newest steamsurvey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ most popular gpu is gtx 1650 now, very weak, roughly on pair with xss(actually even weaker, but perf lvl is so low anyways) https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1650.c3366 , especially that this survey doesnt differentiate laptop vs desktop 1650, hence the scores, still even if rightfully assume that majority of 1650 users are lappy users(so not very techsavy ppl, to not call them other names;p), its a point marketing works and ppl keep buying bad value products( u can check on the net how bad reviews gtx 1650 got, and lappy version of it is even worse).
 
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LordOfChaos

Member
If you are setup correctly its the non removable batteries of PS5/Switch controllers that are a pain in the ass.

xbox you just check in some more eneloops and keep playing without skipping a a beat, anyone with kids will always have a supply charged and ready to go. PS5/Switch controllers run out while you are playing and you have to go sit in front of the TV with the charge cable plugged.

Having all three consoles, this exact scenario plays out constantly with my kids. There is litrally no upside to non-removeable batties, and if you get a play and charge kit you get the best of both worlds.

I don't have kids, and maybe in no small part thanks to that I've never had an issue with charging my Dualsense. I play for a few hours at most, sleep the console, and plug it in, and it's ready to go at full charge whenever I want to play.

I have rechargeable batteries for the XSS, but I still have to fiddle with the battery door twice every time. I don't see any way that's easier. Rechargeable batteries can't be charged inside it either. I'll probably just buy this, which is an extra cost to unlock charging batteries inside the controller and not fiddling with the door every time basically:


Just buy a $25 rechargeable kit on Amazon that comes with a dock, just sits on top and charges at night. No need to ever take batteries out.

Fosmon Dual 2 Controller Charger Compatible with Xbox Series X/S Controllers (Not for Xbox One / 360), (Two Slot) High Speed Docking Charging Station with 2 Rechargeable Battery - White https://a.co/d/057eDQ5

Thanks, so this over the Microsoft kit? I still have MS store credit of 110 dollars
 
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PeteBull

Member
The series S is seriously gimping the ability to have next-gen looking games.
Dont agree here, as long as devs make version for big consoles first and simply downgrade the game accordingly, optimise aka cut features/res/settings when they make xss version, xss isnt older tech vs ps5/xsx, its almost exactly same cpu, ofc less ram(vram) and ofc much less gpu power, it has ssd too, just smaller one.

Think of it being the case like matrix demo, and not gow:ragnarok situation, in first case devs make sure game runs on ps5/xsx and then donwgrade it hugely so it runs somewhat on xss, in new gow case- devs made sure game runs nicely (1080p 30fps stable), on 1,8tf gpu and superweak jaguar cpu machine from 2013, and in case of ps5 just expanded/enhanced it.

Not saying gow:ragnarok looks ugly/bad by any means, just once we see next part, that will be ps5 only, graphical jump will be really visible, unlike gow to gow:ragnarok jump.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
I don't have kids, and maybe in no small part thanks to that I've never had an issue with charging my Dualsense. I play for a few hours at most, sleep the console, and plug it in, and it's ready to go at full charge whenever I want to play.

I have rechargeable batteries for the XSS, but I still have to fiddle with the battery door twice every time. I don't see any way that's easier. Rechargeable batteries can't be charged inside it either. I'll probably just buy this, which is an extra cost to unlock charging batteries inside the controller and not fiddling with the door every time basically:




Thanks, so this over the Microsoft kit? I still have MS store credit of 110 dollars

I think the official docking ones are a lot more, like $40 per controller. I personally like the docks better than the play and charge kit.

Depends on if you have 2 controllers maybe, or if there might be other things on the ms store you want. I wonder if you just want digital games maybe you could order gift cards and the buy gamepass or games with them.
 
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acm2000

Member
The series S is seriously gimping the ability to have next-gen looking games.
you have no idea what you are on about, consoles are just PCs now and thus the games are designed to scale in the same way PC games are, its really not difficult to understand.

The only reason Sony is ahead when it comes to exclusives graphics is sheer talent, they have some of the best developers in the world under their belt and are willing to throw the money at their engines & tools.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
They're going to have to pay me to take one

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ManaByte

Gold Member
My Series X is still in storage but being shipped to me. I won’t have it for two more weeks so I picked up a Series S today to catch up on the holiday releases.

Been playing MWII, Callisto, Sonic, and Gotham Knights. All of them look next gen and none feel held back by the little box. It’s insane that a $250 box gives you access to next gen games like that.
 

twilo99

Member

Lunarorbit

Member
My Series X is still in storage but being shipped to me. I won’t have it for two more weeks so I picked up a Series S today to catch up on the holiday releases.

Been playing MWII, Callisto, Sonic, and Gotham Knights. All of them look next gen and none feel held back by the little box. It’s insane that a $250 box gives you access to next gen games like that.
In another year, after starfield, I'd like to buy a series s. It seems like such a steal especially since I've never owned an Xbox.

I'm thinking of buying the little Xbox mini fridge cause it's so cute. Saw them in target
 

twilo99

Member
I mean.... its trending



That's what I would do for sure. Behind the TV keeps things clean... lets be honest, that thing isn't all that attractive
 
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THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
I'm playing Callisto Protocol on a Series S right now and it's one of the best looking games in years.

Stop trolling.

For some reason the series S threatens some people's self esteem, there's no reasoning with them, your wasting your keyboard presses.
You might as well tell them different levels/ models of phones or tv's can exist at the same time and still have happy customers or other such wacky ideas.........oh wait........
 

twilo99

Member
The series s is the best ammunition for the console warz... its such a huge nuisance for so many people it makes it extremely easy to trigger a deeply rooted emotional response
 
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A.Romero

Member
Good alternative to enjoy gamepass BC.

Really, people saying it's a bad deal because you are missing graphical features should realize the same argument could be used to put PC as the best deal available (not that it is). Series S is good value just as the fully featured consoles are. They aim at different market segments.
 

Vyse

Gold Member
I’m in the opposite position. Played mostly on Xbox Series X in bedroom and Series S in my office throughout the year. Lately I have been playing mostly my PS5 and Steam Deck. Went from Ragnarok to Last of Us. Man are these great times to be a gamer.
 

ironmang

Member
Got mine last month for $220. This + gamepass has to be the best deal in gaming right now.

Already have a PS5 and Switch but I could see this being my main console this gen. Really excited to see all these investments by MS start to pay off with what should be their best year since 2007.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Stadia is also a fun console for some people

This analogy doesn’t make any sense. You’re running your games locally on the Series S just like all other consoles, and nobody ever dinged Stadia for its power.

I’m in the opposite position. Played mostly on Xbox Series X in bedroom and Series S in my office throughout the year. Lately I have been playing mostly my PS5 and Steam Deck. Went from Ragnarok to Last of Us. Man are these great times to be a gamer.

Such a weird thing to see all these naysayers. Hundreds of thousands of the most hardcore gamers in the world are out there happily playing their AAA games on a Steamdeck and loving the experience.
Talking about Series S holding back next gen gaming meanwhile many of the biggest devs in the world are checking their games to ensure they run on a 1.6 TF Steamdeck. Not to mention the next gen Switch will be a guaranteed target for a lot of multiplatform releases.

https://www.eurogamer.net/the-last-of-us-part-1-will-be-steam-deck-compatible
 
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