Lokaum D+
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The plan was horrible, thats for sure
Darksiders 4 Announced - Continues After Darksiders 1's Ending (PS5/Series/PC)
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Baemono
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I'm in the middle of the first one, and honestly I really don't understand the link between this and Zelda
dgrdsv
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Nah, the plan was solid. The execution and the organizational issues got in the way though.
It's been 15 years since the launch of DS1 and it should've been half that ideally.
geary
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5 (D1,2,3,Genesis,4) games in 15 years is ~3 years between games. Comparing with other franchise is not that much.
Between 1 and Genesis are 9 years....4 games in 9 years.
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Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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Finally, the saga will end properly. Hate the loose ends.
By the way people are missing something. Without spoiler: The first game's ending present a future after we reach with War. The sequels shows how each horseman reaches that point. So it is only natural that they didn't give us the story on that future point.
But now that we have -nearly- all of the horseman individual stories we'll go forward.
And;
By the way people are missing something. Without spoiler: The first game's ending present a future after we reach with War. The sequels shows how each horseman reaches that point. So it is only natural that they didn't give us the story on that future point.
But now that we have -nearly- all of the horseman individual stories we'll go forward.
And;
darth.shrimp
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I actually just bought Genesis (it's 80% off on Steam). May go back to DS3 as well, never went too far, but I didn't try it again after various patches buffed the invulnerability window or added the "classic" combat mode.
SkylineRKR
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On paper its a good plan, but the first game ended on a cliffhanger and then they wanted to release 3 more games before advancing the story. Which is quite ballsy for a new IP. Which means this game would've at least taken 5 games and at the very least 2 console generations to conclude the story.
We see how that ends up for Square with FFVII, a legendary game with a much bigger draw than Darksiders. The majority stopped giving a fuck. And rightfully so, that trilogy sucks.
Then, for some reason, they completely bloated DS2 and probably massively overshot in budget while its not even a true sequel. As I said, they mismanaged this IP with trend chasing and things that shouldn't be there. Had they just focused on the smaller scale DS1 template while improving combat somewhat, and just continued the cliffhanger in DS2 it might've been a bigger success. Afterwards you can always farm some origin story games.
Don't forget the IP was dead after 2. THQ Nordic acquired the rights and unexpectedly announced DS3.
We see how that ends up for Square with FFVII, a legendary game with a much bigger draw than Darksiders. The majority stopped giving a fuck. And rightfully so, that trilogy sucks.
Then, for some reason, they completely bloated DS2 and probably massively overshot in budget while its not even a true sequel. As I said, they mismanaged this IP with trend chasing and things that shouldn't be there. Had they just focused on the smaller scale DS1 template while improving combat somewhat, and just continued the cliffhanger in DS2 it might've been a bigger success. Afterwards you can always farm some origin story games.
Don't forget the IP was dead after 2. THQ Nordic acquired the rights and unexpectedly announced DS3.
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Kadve
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What happened more is that old THQ needed a hit a stay afloat and "ordered" Darksiders II to become that hit. Despite Vigil clearly not having the IP or the experience to make a game that would sell 20 million+. Which iirc it needed to do in order to be that success and let THQ starve of the reaper (ironically enough).
Hence why it's an overproduced mess. Vigil threw in anything that would make it as broadly appealing as possible.
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Lokaum D+
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They just needed to do a direct sequel since 2, each horseman falling in diferents parts of the planet and than reunite for a last game, the way they did the sequels were boring and totally anti climatic.
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kevboard
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...same genre, same dungeon formula (get new item, use new item to solve nost puzzles in the dungeon), you even have a horse with a button to go faster and a limited amount of stamina points lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Unless
Baemono
is thinking of the newer open world Switch Zeldas.But, yeah, it's pretty similar to the older Gamecube era Zelda games in terms of basic structure.
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Baemono
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Unless
But, yeah, it's pretty similar to the older Gamecube era Zelda games in terms of basic structure.
I dunno honestly, I just walk in an old city in ruins, I kill zombie-like creatures that give me points and fill a bar like in God Of War, a lot of button mashing in fights. Reminds me a lot of old God Of War games rather than Zelda
kevboard
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that's still essentially the opening, and yes it opens more like a character action game.
but it eventually turns into a pretty by the books action adventure.
basically, instead of the slow "walk around town talk to NPCs" opening of Zelda games, it instead has a "let's kill hundreds of enemies" opening lol. but eventually they converge into the same formula.
to put it into Wind Waker terms... you haven't left Windfall island yet
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Fbh
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Darksiders 1 had a lot of Zelda elements, from a similar Z Targeting system for combat (though with a more button mashy GOW style combat) to an overall structure of going to a dungeon-like location, getting a new item, solving puzzles with that new item and then fighting a boss. You even have your Epona style horse.
It's a shame really how they deviated from that in the sequels. 2 focused too much on big open areas and an annoying loot system, and 3 felt like it had a lot of "souls" influence.
I'd have preferred them to continue polishing the edgy Zelda style of the original.
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Kataploom
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Haven't played the top down one but the other ones have been amazing so far, I haven't felt any of them is subpar, all of them are amazing games and have always felt the west have lost so much potential with these types of games because they don't do then too frequently, it's always some dude with a camera in the shoulder with a gun and "realistic (slow) movement".
Darksiders show me not only the Japanese can make amazing fast paced fantasy action adventure games with a very Japanese style.
SkylineRKR
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The game changes soon.
At first I was thinking of God of War as well. But you'll see at the first dungeon, which has a proper Zelda structure and boss fights with gimmicks.
The issue with 2 was, you still get a new item to use, but then you're thrown into a marathon of 3 dungeons without any evolving gameplay or unique mechanics. And once you get new mechanics, you'll do a dungeon marathon again making it stale every time.
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
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1 and 2 were fucking awesome. Others were meh. Hope this is good.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I got the hint that they're doing a Zelda as soon as you can do Z-Targeting the first time, lol.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I wonder how they'll do it. I enjoyed 1 & 3 the most but Idk what they can do with either formula (or merge both in one game even) to do the hype of the first game's ending justice. It can't be just the same thing but playing as different characters at points (or tagging in and out). It has to be epic.
BouncyFrag
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Will believe it when I see it!