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SeanR1221

Member
Upgrade Recommendations:

3.4GHz i7
16GB RAM (2x8GB) and then purchase another 16GB here for WAY cheaper
3TB Fusion Drive
Nvidia GTX 680MX for much better graphic performance

The total should be $3050 with all that stuff and it should be able to run most games very well.

I would probably do the graphics card and memory, but it wouldn't be until Summer/Fall 2013 anyway, so we'll see what hardware comes out next.

I was just shocked she was actually interested in it.
 

moonbeam

Member
Hi guys,

I'm planning on getting a 27" imac soon and was trying to decide between the base model and the higher end model. In particular, I'm wondering if its worth upgrade to get the 675MX with 1GB over the 660M with 512MB?

I don't really see myself gaming on this machine most of the time but would like to eventually play Project Eternity on it (hopefully at full resolution and max settings), as well as The Witness, and perhaps a few other titles, though no 3D shooters or anything of that sort.

Also, gaming aside, is any other reason I might want to go for the upgrade?
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
My mid-2009 Macbook Pro is currently showing 96% fully charged. This is concerning.
Apple laptops and devices constantly charge their batteries to 100% then drain slightly to help prevent decay. Also 96% after 3 years is very good. There's nothing wrong with your battery I'm betting.

Do you calibrate it occasionally? That is let it drain completely then recharge it fully once a month?
 
Yeah, 96% after three years? I'd think most people would love for that kind of life. My iPad 2 is starting to show signs of battery drain, and it's a year and a half old.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
So the MacBook Air is just a SD slot, right? Not an SDHC or whatever? What's the largest SD card I can get for a MacBook Air compared to what something like the Pro can handle?
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Correct.

Something like 16GB
Quite a bit small for anything useful. What I really need is a lightweight external drive of some sort with a large capacity. I think 1TB might be better though, (I noticed SD cards went up to 128GB on SDXC which could be useful.) so now I'm looking for the right USB3 powered external HDD with 1TB at least. I have a few tabs open to NewEgg with pretty cheap options. (Three Seagate's all for $90 each with good ratings all on sale. Normally $130.)

But I hesitate to purchase because I've had bad luck with external drives. I had a Western Digital Elements 1TB portable drive that simply shit the bed after less than a year and has finally died completely. Useless. All my drives had been WD up until now. In fact recently I bought a 3TB Seagate USB desktop drive because the WD Elements drives I had been buying up until now (I have 5 or 6) have become hard to find. And the Seagate was on sale and USB3 (Even though the Mac mini I currently have is 2.0. I'm futureproofing.) so I bought it. So I am wondering about Seagate's external drives.

But I hate to make the purchase after the bad experience I had with the WD Elements. (Not only did it die quickly but it was slow as hellllll. Slower than moles asses in winter. It was uncharacteristically slow. I was amazed at its slowness.) I just want to be assured that this is not a typical experience with external portable drives.

Question, what is the maximum speed one can expect from a USB 3.0 based HDD? Is the USB 3.0 bus faster than the HDD's read/write speed itself making its max speed whatever the drive is capable of?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178104
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178105
 

TUSR

Banned
Quite a bit small for anything useful. What I really need is a lightweight external drive of some sort with a large capacity. I think 1TB might be better though, (I noticed SD cards went up to 128GB on SDXC which could be useful.) so now I'm looking for the right USB3 powered external HDD with 1TB at least. I have a few tabs open to NewEgg with pretty cheap options. (Three Seagate's all for $90 each with good ratings all on sale. Normally $130.)

But I hesitate to purchase because I've had bad luck with external drives. I had a Western Digital Elements 1TB portable drive that simply shit the bed after less than a year and has finally died completely. Useless. All my drives had been WD up until now. In fact recently I bought a 3TB Seagate USB desktop drive because the WD Elements drives I had been buying up until now (I have 5 or 6) have become hard to find. And the Seagate was on sale and USB3 (Even though the Mac mini I currently have is 2.0. I'm futureproofing.) so I bought it. So I am wondering about Seagate's external drives.

But I hate to make the purchase after the bad experience I had with the WD Elements. (Not only did it die quickly but it was slow as hellllll. Slower than moles asses in winter. It was uncharacteristically slow. I was amazed at its slowness.) I just want to be assured that this is not a typical experience with external portable drives.

Question, what is the maximum speed one can expect from a USB 3.0 based HDD? Is the USB 3.0 bus faster than the HDD's read/write speed itself making its max speed whatever the drive is capable of?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178104
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178105

Ive always used seagate drives for my externals. All bus powered, haven't had a single issue or hangup.

Actual speeds for USB are so far off of theoretical speeds. I have a USB3 1TB seagate and its quite a bit faster than my USB2. And by quite, its substantial. And im pretty sure the bus speed on USB3 doesnt surpass the write speed of an external drive.

Does that expansion series drive work out of the box with a Mac?

You changed your avatar and I didn't know it was you.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Ive always used seagate drives for my externals. All bus powered, haven't had a single issue or hangup.

Actual speeds for USB are so far off of theoretical speeds. I have a USB3 1TB seagate and its quite a bit faster than my USB2. And by quite, its substantial. And im pretty sure the bus speed on USB3 doesnt surpass the write speed of an external drive.

Does that expansion series drive work out of the box with a Mac?

You changed your avatar and I didn't know it was you.
I want to say it works because I got the Expansion desktop version (3TB, the one I mentioned above that I started replacing my WD drives with) and it works great after formatting. I can't see how a HDD would not work on OS X in this day and age without simply being formatted. But it does seem strange that it doesn't list OS X as compatible. I don't find requiring a format out of the box a drawback though as I do that even if it's already formatted as Mac anyway.

I like the silver one though. It's the same thing as the third black link but in silver apparently. The only differences being OS X listed and the cable is only 18" instead of 4'. Which I'd prefer actually. (I actually plan on attaching the drive semi-permanently to my display so I can have it with me at most times, but still remove it if I don't need it.)


Also, I needed a Christmas themed Abed avatar. There really aren't many moments in the three episodes that match. It was either this one or something from Uncontrollable Christmas.
 
So the MacBook Air is just a SD slot, right? Not an SDHC or whatever? What's the largest SD card I can get for a MacBook Air compared to what something like the Pro can handle?


Incorrect. It's a SDXC reader, though it looks like almost nobody who's tried it bothers to post on the internet. (I haven't, my 11" lacks the slot altogether, unfortunately). If you do buy a lot of SDXC cards and they don't work, a USB reader is less than $10.

SDXC is still going to be slow compared to an external HDD or thumb drive.
 

Quick

Banned
Apple laptops and devices constantly charge their batteries to 100% then drain slightly to help prevent decay. Also 96% after 3 years is very good. There's nothing wrong with your battery I'm betting.

Do you calibrate it occasionally? That is let it drain completely then recharge it fully once a month?

Yep. I let it drain completely once a month, though not on purpose on occasion.

Just caught me off-guard, really. Still concerning, but I figured three years is when I'd notice something like this. My warranty also just ran out a couple of months ago, so anything I see that's unusual is making me jumpy.
 
Incorrect. It's a SDXC reader, though it looks like almost nobody who's tried it bothers to post on the internet. (I haven't, my 11" lacks the slot altogether, unfortunately). If you do buy a lot of SDXC cards and they don't work, a USB reader is less than $10.

SDXC is still going to be slow compared to an external HDD or thumb drive.

Yep. However,

(a) As SDXC, it does support very large SD cards (64GB+). I have a 64GB MicroSDXC for it right now.
(b) It's still a great solution for static content, like iTunes content, particularly with the almost-done Nifty Minidrive.
 

Juice

Member
Anyone have any idea how a max spec iMac 2012 would fare against a max spec Macbook Pro Retina?

If you're talking 27" w/ a Fusion drive, it'd run circles around the rMBP.

If you are using a traditional HDD in the iMac, then it'd be a mixed bag is my guess. The rMBP would have much faster disk operations, but sluggish GPU performance.
 

LCfiner

Member
If you're talking 27" w/ a Fusion drive, it'd run circles around the rMBP.

If you are using a traditional HDD in the iMac, then it'd be a mixed bag is my guess. The rMBP would have much faster disk operations, but sluggish GPU performance.

Not so fast

http://www.macworld.com/article/201...equipped-with-fusion-drives-cpu-upgrades.html

macworld benches (real apps, not just geekbench) show the 2.6 rMBP to be very, very close to the 3.4 i7 iMac with fusion drive.

The only bench where the imac runs away (2X speed) is handbrake encoding
 

Juice

Member
Not so fast

http://www.macworld.com/article/201...equipped-with-fusion-drives-cpu-upgrades.html

macworld benches (real apps, not just geekbench) show the 2.6 rMBP to be very, very close to the 3.4 i7 iMac with fusion drive.

The only bench where the imac runs away (2X speed) is handbrake encoding

Cool, I stand corrected on the implication CPU is much different.

In real-world use, though, I've experienced all sorts of obnoxious graphics slowdown/stutter when using rMBPs, which I doubt non-gaming benchmarks would capture well. That's more of what I was speaking to.
 

LCfiner

Member
Cool, I stand corrected on the implication CPU is much different.

In real-world use, though, I've experienced all sorts of obnoxious graphics slowdown/stutter when using rMBPs, which I doubt non-gaming benchmarks would capture well. That's more of what I was speaking to.

oh yeah, that's true. Although i wonder how much of that could be fixed with software updates. The webkit nightlies have doubled scrolling speed on webpages, for example. I don't know if it's possible to improve on the mission control animations, though. or if other apps can get improved like Safari will.

Hopefully the Haswell rMBP will make the issue go away entirely.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Incorrect. It's a SDXC reader, though it looks like almost nobody who's tried it bothers to post on the internet. (I haven't, my 11" lacks the slot altogether, unfortunately). If you do buy a lot of SDXC cards and they don't work, a USB reader is less than $10.

SDXC is still going to be slow compared to an external HDD or thumb drive.
Has anyone confirmed this?

I think I'd rather go with a portable HDD though as I'd get more use. If I had a big SD card it'd be used to store stuff like my iMovie events and projects. But who knows how slow it'd be. I'd rather get a 1TB drive (The silver one I mentioned above is on sale on both NewEgg and Amazon this weekend so now I just have to decide which one to buy from.) so I can hold more stuff and access it faster. I'd probably move my iMovie stuff at the very least, maybe some Steam games if the Mac version ever lets you move games like the WIndows version does. Also a lot of files I currently keep on my Mac mini server.
 

Juice

Member
oh yeah, that's true. Although i wonder how much of that could be fixed with software updates. The webkit nightlies have doubled scrolling speed on webpages, for example. I don't know if it's possible to improve on the mission control animations, though. or if other apps can get improved like Safari will.

Hopefully the Haswell rMBP will make the issue go away entirely.

It's not irrational to fear the GPU just can't handle it, which is why I'm reticent to recommend the rMBP. For the premium you pay now, you could be a nice little MBA to tide you over.
 

nib95

Banned
Not so fast

http://www.macworld.com/article/201...equipped-with-fusion-drives-cpu-upgrades.html

macworld benches (real apps, not just geekbench) show the 2.6 rMBP to be very, very close to the 3.4 i7 iMac with fusion drive.

The only bench where the imac runs away (2X speed) is handbrake encoding

Wow, on most of the stuff I do there is very little difference. I think I'm going to keep the MBPr and just buy a large screen to plug it in to at some point. That way I get portability and screen size if I need it. In fairness I already have a nice 24" HP IPS business 1080p panel, though I'd prefer higher res.
 
Seems so.

It seems ridiculous that something the size of my fingernail has 64GB of storage on it, to be honest. But yeah, it's just a garden-variety 64GB SDXC class 10 that is being marketed heavily right now to Galaxy S3 power users. Last time I looked Amazon sold it for around ~$60? Probably the best option for nifty minidrive users until mass-market 128GB chips hit.
 
My mid-2009 Macbook Pro is currently showing 96% fully charged. This is concerning.

is this a joke?

you do now how short a lifetime charges laptop drives have?


If that is true its very good. you must have used it plugged in a lot to still have the battery so efficent.



Let's face it. Now that spinning stupid mechanical hard drives are finally on their way out along with Optical drives, batteries in laptops and smartphones remain the biggest challenge.

its not just about higher specs anymore. we seriously need a revolution in this.

Also because these lithium batteries were sponsored by miner kids in africa and the middle east. It's beyond fucked that places like Foxconn can get all sorts of heats, but nobody talks about small children working in mines for iphone batteries.





Subsequently this is also the most annoying thing about the non-upgradeable nature of RMBP. To replace your rMBP 15 Battery, it will cost you close to 2000 dollars. that in itself is bananas. After the thousands cycles you might as well buy a new machine.







little pro tip; on my sony vaio I have set the machine to only charge to 80%. so it's fully charged at 80% and wont get further. this seriously increases the life of the battery if you plan to have the machine for many years. I am sure there is a app program for OSX that gives you the same options.
It gives a piece of mind as well. You lose 20% battery, but I don't really notice it. My Vaio still gets over 7 hours without a charger (With a sheetbattery turning it into a fat laptop) and I dont feel like I am that far away from a plug for so many hours.


I want to see a Macbook Pro get past 10 hours... with wi-fi and 50% brightness. we need a revolution here.
 

oatmeal

Banned
Upgrade Recommendations:

3.4GHz i7
16GB RAM (2x8GB) and then purchase another 16GB here for WAY cheaper
3TB Fusion Drive
Nvidia GTX 680MX for much better graphic performance

The total should be $3050 with all that stuff and it should be able to run most games very well.

I'd just get the base ram and the 1TB fusion drive.

You can put in 32GB of RAM for under 200 dollars, and external drives are a lot cheaper than the 3TB fusion.
 

SeanR1221

Member
is this a joke?

you do now how short a lifetime charges laptop drives have?


If that is true its very good. you must have used it plugged in a lot to still have the battery so efficent.



Let's face it. Now that spinning stupid mechanical hard drives are finally on their way out along with Optical drives, batteries in laptops and smartphones remain the biggest challenge.

its not just about higher specs anymore. we seriously need a revolution in this.

Also because these lithium batteries were sponsored by miner kids in africa and the middle east. It's beyond fucked that places like Foxconn can get all sorts of heats, but nobody talks about small children working in mines for iphone batteries.





Subsequently this is also the most annoying thing about the non-upgradeable nature of RMBP. To replace your rMBP 15 Battery, it will cost you close to 2000 dollars. that in itself is bananas. After the thousands cycles you might as well buy a new machine.







little pro tip; on my sony vaio I have set the machine to only charge to 80%. so it's fully charged at 80% and wont get further. this seriously increases the life of the battery if you plan to have the machine for many years. I am sure there is a app program for OSX that gives you the same options.
It gives a piece of mind as well. You lose 20% battery, but I don't really notice it. My Vaio still gets over 7 hours without a charger (With a sheetbattery turning it into a fat laptop) and I dont feel like I am that far away from a plug for so many hours.


I want to see a Macbook Pro get past 10 hours... with wi-fi and 50% brightness. we need a revolution here.

2000.00? It cost 200.00 to replace the battery.
 

VPhys

Member
is this a joke?

you do now how short a lifetime charges laptop drives have?


If that is true its very good. you must have used it plugged in a lot to still have the battery so efficent.
.


I hope this is the case. 99% of the time I use my retina MacBook Pro plugged in, the only problem with the design of the retina pro is that the battery isnt detachable so I'm afraid it's draining battery even though it's plugged in. If I could detach the battery when not in use, Id have practically a brand-new battery after two years of owning the retina pro.
 
is this a joke?

you do now how short a lifetime charges laptop drives have?


If that is true its very good. you must have used it plugged in a lot to still have the battery so efficent.



Let's face it. Now that spinning stupid mechanical hard drives are finally on their way out along with Optical drives, batteries in laptops and smartphones remain the biggest challenge.

its not just about higher specs anymore. we seriously need a revolution in this.

Also because these lithium batteries were sponsored by miner kids in africa and the middle east. It's beyond fucked that places like Foxconn can get all sorts of heats, but nobody talks about small children working in mines for iphone batteries.





Subsequently this is also the most annoying thing about the non-upgradeable nature of RMBP. To replace your rMBP 15 Battery, it will cost you close to 2000 dollars. that in itself is bananas. After the thousands cycles you might as well buy a new machine.







little pro tip; on my sony vaio I have set the machine to only charge to 80%. so it's fully charged at 80% and wont get further. this seriously increases the life of the battery if you plan to have the machine for many years. I am sure there is a app program for OSX that gives you the same options.
It gives a piece of mind as well. You lose 20% battery, but I don't really notice it. My Vaio still gets over 7 hours without a charger (With a sheetbattery turning it into a fat laptop) and I dont feel like I am that far away from a plug for so many hours.


I want to see a Macbook Pro get past 10 hours... with wi-fi and 50% brightness. we need a revolution here.

According to Apple, it is $199 to have them replace the battery in the rMBP. http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/
 
For me a 1TB fusion drive would be just fine. 3TB seems huge for most people.

Am I the only one who is afraid of Fusion Drive?



The Momentus XT man.. I know it only had 4gigs of SSD, but I was not sold on it.


The thing is that the Imac 756 GB SSD is beyond expensive. In the Danish currency, it's, 10,000 DK. Thats two unlocked Iphone 5 right there. Just on solid state storage.





I think I might go with this instead of an Imac;

Retina Macbook Pro 15, with Haswell - Maxed with 756 GB SSD (so you got comfortable SSD to bootcamp or OSX Steam gaming if you want to)

27 Tunderbolt display (the next revision with USB3, slimmer design, better speakers, laminated screen, reduced glare)

+ thunderbolt Western Digital storage, wireless keyboard and mouse. Thanks to the display I get USB, gigabit ethernett, 27 screen and so on.

More expensive initially but you buy a extremely portable powerhouse of doom, which when connected via two single plugs, becomes a powerful stationary. After all, the internals of the Imac is all laptop based anyway.



The big difference? Imac is a lot more clean looking. and 680MX is serious business. I mean.. really. I am so impressed they fitted that one in there. This Imac would be a great, great 1080p PC gaming device. Really really impressed.


650m seems amazing too. particularly considering it's unbelievable thin and light profile. It's so impressive. No other manufacturer comes close. What could hashwell bring?

It seems the next GPU series from Nvidia will also be Kepler. Will it be 750m, or perhaps even 760m? And how good would they be and their temperatures under load?




_______


With all this being said I love how much love there is for Imac. I love that people still want desktop computers.
 

Verano

Reads Ace as Lace. May God have mercy on their soul
gonna get a 15'' mac book pro by january...its gonna be a first for me. also any suggestions for a newbie like me? I know that getting Apple Care is a must and I've heard that you can switch conventional 8gb the new quad core ones have installed for bigger/more ram? like say 2 8gb ram for a total of 16gb of ram? true or no? if yes then how, mac-GAF?
 

VPhys

Member
gonna get a 15'' mac book pro by january...its gonna be a first for me. also any suggestions for a newbie like me? I know that getting Apple Care is a must and I've heard that you can switch conventional 8gb the new quad core ones have installed for bigger/more ram? like say 2 8gb ram for a total of 16gb of ram? true or no? if yes then how, mac-GAF?

Why?
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Yes. Get AppleCare. There's no reason not to and you don't even need to buy it day one. You have a whole year to decide. Apple will let you know when time is running out.

Get it. I didn't get it on my old white MacBook and that thing fell apart completely after 2 years. Even after I had the top case replaced on the very last day of my 1-year warranty. I should have bought it then and there. I regretted it. The machine might still be alive now if I had.
 
I went to the Apple store today to let them look at the trackpad on my MBP retina. They said they cant replace only the trackpad, but they can replace the whole bottom half of the computer. I am also having an issue with Image Retention on the retina display, where my tabs from chrome will faintly be on my desktop. When I was there today I didn't mention the image retention although I did mention a dead pixel in the middle of the screen.

Do you think they would just give me a new MBPr at this point?
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I'm having second thoughts about the external portable drive again. The read/write speeds are apparently terrible.

People reviewing it are reporting 40Mbps read and write speed which is really bad for a USB3 drive. In context, I just did speed tests of a desktop USB2 drive where I got around 30Mbps. And I tested my USB3 desktop drive (The Seagate) on my Air and got 150Mbps. 40Mbps is barely a step up from the 30 I was getting. So why bother? Does no one make a 1TB portable drive that uses high speed connections and actually gets anywhere near the speed of the bus? It seems not. At all. Guess I'll stick with networked drives as usual. At least until they either release moderately fast external portable drives with 1TB or more or I am able to use a large SD card of 128GB or more that isn't super slow.
 
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