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[Mr. Wonderful]

When you update a object in cocoa, all objects that inherit from its parent get the feature for free. Which seems more likely to you, that they updated the elements to cocoa, but then subclassed the object so that they could change it to look and act like the carbon version which looks like ass, or that they just didn't update it?

Most of their 'obvious' carbon elements are still in the Get Info dialog (which still is modal, a classic feature of carbon windows). But you are completely correct, I have no actual evidence other than my experience with the product over the past 12 years.

So a continuing transition to Cocoa, huh?

I like it. The Cocoa lightness and animations are definitely there. Too soon to say if I like the UI better. So far, it's just different.

 

[Quick]

How do I set up my Outlook.com account on Sparrow? Can I only do POP on it?

 

[Macho Madness]

How do I set up my Outlook.com account on Sparrow? Can I only do POP on it?

I'd give up on Sparrow considering it's not going to receive any major updates ever again. Although, you should be able to select the Hotmail option and enter in your outlook details. Not sure.

 

[Quick]

I'd give up on Sparrow considering it's not going to receive any major updates ever again. Although, you should be able to select the Hotmail option and enter in your outlook details. Not sure.

Oh okay.

That answers my question, at least. Glad I didn't spend any money on Sparrow, then (trying it out on another computer).

 

[Deleted member 12837]

I have a question about iCloud and iDevice syncing:

My parents are both pretty technology-illiterate. I finally convinced them to purchase a Mac, they now own a Macbook Air and will soon be getting an iMac as well. They both have iPhones. They want to each have their own contacts, calendars, etc so I told them they need to set up 2 separate iCloud accounts.

How will this work as far as syncing to the computer, though? Will they need to each have their own OS X user account (one for each iCloud account) or is there some way to have multiple iCloud accounts with the same OS X user account work without it being too confusing for them?

Right now their setup is a nightmare. They've been sharing the same iCloud account, but my Dad still has USB syncing turned on while my Mom switched over to iCloud syncing, so their data is all over the place.

 

[giga]

I have a question about iCloud and iDevice syncing:

My parents are both pretty technology-illiterate. I finally convinced them to purchase a Mac, they now own a Macbook Air and will soon be getting an iMac as well. They both have iPhones. They want to each have their own contacts, calendars, etc so I told them they need to set up 2 separate iCloud accounts.

How will this work as far as syncing to the computer, though? Will they need to each have their own OS X user account (one for each iCloud account) or is there some way to have multiple iCloud accounts with the same OS X user account work without it being too confusing for them?

Right now their setup is a nightmare. They've been sharing the same iCloud account, but my Dad still has USB syncing turned on while my Mom switched over to iCloud syncing, so their data is all over the place.

On one user account, you can have one iCloud primary account and multiple secondary iCloud accounts. Here's the difference: http://support.apple.com/kb/ts4020

Primary:

iCloud Bookmarks, Photo Stream, Documents in the Cloud, Backup (iOS), Back to My Mac (OS X), and Find My iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Mac can only be used with one iCloud account at a time (the "primary" account).

Secondary:

Secondary accounts should only be set up if you already have mail, notes, contacts, calendar, or reminders data in another account that is separate from your primary account.

Here's what shows when I add a secondary account:

 

[Particle Physicist]

On one user account, you can have one iCloud primary account and multiple secondary iCloud accounts. Here's the difference: http://support.apple.com/kb/ts4020

Primary:



Secondary:



Here's what shows when I add a secondary account:

Why would you ever use a secondary account then? Seems really gimped. Make two iCloud accounts, use the same one on each device for the iTunes Store that way they don't have to purchase the same app twice. iCloud stuff on their separate accounts.

I would also make two separate OSX accounts. It's really easy to switch over in lion/ML. And that way they can each have their own settings, and crap. It's why I plan on doing with my parents. Right now on their PC they keep complaining about how each of them like their setup differently and crap.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

On one user account, you can have one iCloud primary account and multiple secondary iCloud accounts.

Ah ok, didn't know about that. So how exactly would it work if they're in Calendar or Contacts and they need to switch back and forth between my Mom's and my Dad's data in Mountain Lion?

Why would you ever use a secondary account then? Seems really gimped. Make two iCloud accounts, use the same one on each device for the iTunes Store that way they don't have to purchase the same app twice. iCloud stuff on their separate accounts.

You can use separate iCloud accounts for iTunes purchases vs iCloud stuff? I had no idea, interesting.

I would also make two separate OSX accounts. It's really easy to switch over in lion/ML. And that way they can each have their own settings, and crap. It's why I plan on doing with my parents. Right now on their PC they keep complaining about how each of them like their setup differently and crap.

Yeah, I just worry that they'll be too lazy or forget to switch accounts whenever they use the computer. They hop on erratically throughout the day to quickly check stuff. This is the solution I think I'm going to push for though, seems slightly cleaner (more separated/walled-off) than the secondary account approach.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Ah ok, didn't know about that. So how exactly would it work if they're in Calendar or Contacts and they need to switch back and forth between my Mom's and my Dad's data in Mountain Lion?



You can use separate iCloud accounts for iTunes purchases vs iCloud stuff? I had no idea, interesting.



Yeah, I just worry that they'll be too lazy or forget to switch accounts whenever they use the computer. They hop on erratically throughout the day to quickly check stuff. This is the solution I think I'm going to push for though, seems slightly cleaner (more separated/walled-off) than the secondary account approach.

Yup. In the settings you can change the iTunes account and different iCloud accounts. My wife uses my iTunes account and her own iCloud account.

Maybe set different backgrounds for the OSX desktops? That should help clue then in. You can also set it so when the screen saver or sleep comes off they have to 'log in' thus forcing them to select a username. Don't think they need to put a password for that if you don't want

 

[Valravn]

I 'm a total OS X noob. I just discovered its possible to make folders and put aliases of applications in there. You can place this folder on the dock, saves me a lot of space.

Does someone know a good usenet client?

 

[Popstar]

I 'm a total OS X noob. I just discovered its possible to make folders and put aliases of applications in there. You can place this folder on the dock, saves me a lot of space.

Does someone know a good usenet client?

It's been a long time but I used to use Unison.

 

[sc0la]

You can use separate iCloud accounts for iTunes purchases vs iCloud stuff? I had no idea, interesting.

Yep, my wife and I share an iTunes account for purchases etc but each have additional separate iCloud accounts.

 

[Majine]

The fuck, I just emptied my mailbox and I got two angry e-mails saying I am about to run out of iCloud space, and I have run out of space respectively but checking manually I have lots of space left. Hitch in the system or?

 

[Mr. F]

I feel like I got a dud of a MacBook Pro (summer 2010). Others who got theirs around the same time for university seem to have no issues in terms of speed, but I find that I get a lot of hangups, and performance generally feels worse than it should.

Anyway, I thought it might have been the hardware itself (no stranger to the genius bar after hard drive/logic board issues over the years), but after running Windows 8 on a partition and getting really fast/smooth performance there I'm left wondering if it might be the OS itself.

I've read that formatting the hard drive/reinstalling the OS does nothing for Macs, so is there anything I can do short of shelling out for more RAM?

 

[Number45]

Any thoughts on Postbox as a Gmail client? I use labels heavily so it seems perfect.

 

[Quick]

I feel like I got a dud of a MacBook Pro (summer 2010). Others who got theirs around the same time for university seem to have no issues in terms of speed, but I find that I get a lot of hangups, and performance generally feels worse than it should.

Anyway, I thought it might have been the hardware itself (no stranger to the genius bar after hard drive/logic board issues over the years), but after running Windows 8 on a partition and getting really fast/smooth performance there I'm left wondering if it might be the OS itself.

I've read that formatting the hard drive/reinstalling the OS does nothing for Macs, so is there anything I can do short of shelling out for more RAM?

Same here. I've been having some performance issues sine installing Lion.

For starters, when I shut it down, I'd have to select "Shut down" a couple of times before it actually does it. This happens too often for me to be comfortable with.

Booting is slow as hell, too. My PC with a 5-year-old processor and 8GB of RAM with Windows 8 takes a fraction of the time to get me to the login screen, and has the better performance overall.

I disabled the Widgets screen (it's utterly useless) yesterday. Not sure if that's given me any performance boosts yet. I figured that's one less thing Mountain Lion needs to start up.

 

[Ambitious]

My rMBP boots pretty fast. Waking up from sleep, though, takes way longer than my old MBP which is five years old and has no SSD.

 

[mrkgoo]

Same here. I've been having some performance issues sine installing Lion.

For starters, when I shut it down, I'd have to select "Shut down" a couple of times before it actually does it. This happens too often for me to be comfortable with.

Booting is slow as hell, too. My PC with a 5-year-old processor and 8GB of RAM with Windows 8 takes a fraction of the time to get me to the login screen, and has the better performance overall.

I disabled the Widgets screen (it's utterly useless) yesterday. Not sure if that's given me any performance boosts yet. I figured that's one less thing Mountain Lion needs to start up.

My shutdown since Lion has been slow primarily due to Mail taking a lot longer to close. On closer inspection, it's a process that is trying to log out of gmail, it takes so long, the shutdown process (which actually sends a 'quit' action to every open app) times out and stops. Eventually mail closes, and I can shutdown properly.

 

[Quick]

My shutdown since Lion has been slow primarily due to Mail taking a lot longer to close. On closer inspection, it's a process that is trying to log out of gmail, it takes so long, the shutdown process (which actually sends a 'quit' action to every open app) times out and stops. Eventually mail closes, and I can shutdown properly.

I'll have to check to see if there are anything running in the background that's making the shutdown inconsistent with my MBP, but I don't even use Mail, or have anything running in the background other than Dropbox and Better Touch Tool, and the problem's been going on since before I installed those.

Side note: I installed Better Touch Tool only so I can get the three finger swipe up/down to skip to top/bottom of a page. It doesn't work exactly like it did before (it's like pressing "Home" and "End" on the keyboard), but it works out just fine.

 

[Mr. F]

Same here. I've been having some performance issues sine installing Lion.

For starters, when I shut it down, I'd have to select "Shut down" a couple of times before it actually does it. This happens too often for me to be comfortable with.

Booting is slow as hell, too. My PC with a 5-year-old processor and 8GB of RAM with Windows 8 takes a fraction of the time to get me to the login screen, and has the better performance overall.

I disabled the Widgets screen (it's utterly useless) yesterday. Not sure if that's given me any performance boosts yet. I figured that's one less thing Mountain Lion needs to start up.

Hm, yeah shutting down is problematic at times, and nearly every time it crashes Chrome if it still happens to be running.

Usually very slow to wake up from sleep if it's been more than a few hours, and waking up from hibernation/no power can take upwards of 10 minutes at times :/

Not really sure what to do as I'm sure it would check out as 'fine, but just old' at a genius bar, despite friends' macbooks from the same year running much better.

 

[Quick]

The only viable answer seems to be "buy an SSD", but I'd really like not to spend that much money on this.

 

[Mr. F]

The only viable answer seems to be "buy an SSD", but I'd really like not to spend that much money on this.

Yeah, past a certain point I would just put money toward a new MacBook and hope for better results. :/

 

[Ambitious]

We really need a "Best of OS X" thread or something.


Alfred version 2 is coming.

Some information from the developer's blog:

• rewritten from the ground
• more powerful, flexible and efficient
• many existing extensions will have to be tweaked
• free upgrade if you bought a license since December 1st, discounted upgrade if you bought one earlier
• beta in January 2013, only for Mega Supporters

 

[Kal]

Just got a 13" rMBP (huge discount... can't justify paying full price for it lol!). Just enabled double tap to drag but when I drag there is a slight delay before it "drops". Is there a way to make it instantaneous?

What are the essential apps/programs I need to install? I remember there was a Mac OS X software thread but I can't seem to find it.

Thanks.

 

[The Real Abed]

Just got a 13" rMBP (huge discount... can't justify paying full price for it lol!). Just enabled double tap to drag but when I drag there is a slight delay before it "drops". Is there a way to make it instantaneous?

Turn off tapping and get used to the awesome ability to click anywhere. Clicking will always be superior to tapping. It will also always be instantaneous instead of delayed because tapping needs to wait to make sure you aren't performing another tap before it can continue. It's the same reason clicking Home on an iPhone has a delay before going to the home screen because it is waiting to make sure you're not double-pressing the button.

Use the trackpad like you would normally. Thumb for clicking, index finger for cursor moving. Don't even think about it. It just works.

Alternatively, instead turn on three finger dragging. It's also instantaneous and requires no clicking.

Also, I don't know about a Software thread, but there is the Mac OSX Noob thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365221

 

[Quick]

We really need a "Best of OS X" thread or something.

I'm sort-of compiling a new Best of iOS* list, and I thought about doing the same for OS X and Windows. I'd definitely chip in if we get a small group to get this going. We definitely had one for OS X from ages ago, but I don't think it's been updated in ages.


*looking for help/advice/tips for this project, too!

 

[Number45]

I'm a new Mac user so I can't contribute, but I'd love to see a best of OS X thread.

 

[mrkgoo]

I'm sort-of compiling a new Best of iOS* list, and I thought about doing the same for OS X and Windows. I'd definitely chip in if we get a small group to get this going. We definitely had one for OS X from ages ago, but I don't think it's been updated in ages.


*looking for help/advice/tips for this project, too!

I don't mind helping where and when I can. I'm neck deep in Apple, with that being my exact problem in that I'm very much a default software kind of person.

The noobs thread was great but not often visited anymore so could do with an update.

 

[Quick]

I don't mind helping where and when I can. I'm neck deep in Apple, with that being my exact problem in that I'm very much a default software kind of person.

The noobs thread was great but not often visited anymore so could do with an update.

I'll get something started in a bit.

The noobs thread was helpful for me briefly. It's a good introductory thread.

 

[Quick]

Here's something I've gotten started:

Evernote
Stuffit Expander
CCleaner
Caffeine
AppCleaner
Steam

Feel free to toss in more (with a quick blurb if you can).

 

[Joel Was Right]

Need some advice. My MBP 2011 edition (upgraded with 8GB ram) takes 60 seconds to reach the login screen. Is this reasonable?

 

[Quick]

Need some advice. My MBP 2011 edition (upgraded with 8GB ram) takes 60 seconds to reach the login screen. Is this reasonable?

It shouldn't be, but the longer I use OS X, the more it feels like it's "reasonable" (read: it sucks). I'm on a 2009 MBP with 8GB of RAM, which one would think is still pretty current.

Check your startup items and see if there's anything intensive that's running (under Users & Groups in System Preferences).

If you're not using it, turn off the Dashboards screen completely via Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES

Then

killall Dock

 

[Joel Was Right]

It shouldn't be, but the longer I use OS X, the more it feels like it's "reasonable" (read: it sucks). I'm on a 2009 MBP with 8GB of RAM, which one would think is still pretty current.

Check your startup items and see if there's anything intensive that's running (under Users & Groups in System Preferences).

If you're not using it, turn off the Dashboards screen completely via Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES

Then

killall Dock

Thanks for the reply,

Startup items cant be the issue, the only one I have of note is Dropbox. Plus, the desktop loads up fine after login. It's just after booting the machine - it sticks on the grey screen with the Apple logo for a minute.

 

[Kal]

Turn off tapping and get used to the awesome ability to click anywhere. Clicking will always be superior to tapping. It will also always be instantaneous instead of delayed because tapping needs to wait to make sure you aren't performing another tap before it can continue. It's the same reason clicking Home on an iPhone has a delay before going to the home screen because it is waiting to make sure you're not double-pressing the button.

Use the trackpad like you would normally. Thumb for clicking, index finger for cursor moving. Don't even think about it. It just works.

Alternatively, instead turn on three finger dragging. It's also instantaneous and requires no clicking.

Also, I don't know about a Software thread, but there is the Mac OSX Noob thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365221

Thanks.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Think I need some help, my MBP late 2008 has..died

I was building a playlist in VLC, then I saw a tonne of Flash errors popuo saying its crashed. I switched over to safari, but it wouldn't let me do anything, it just kept making that noise, as if there were another window in focus

I then restarted as I couldn't do anything, then it's not letting me boot up. It's just a spinning wheel

FFS, man

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Fuck Flash..it was flash that messed up my laptop

It's back up and running now though

 

[JayDub]

Fuck Flash..it was flash that messed up my laptop

It's back up and running now though

What the hell...had the same issue on late 08 last week.

 

[Majine]

Aw yeah, playing Borderlands 2 on full resolution. MBA 2012 is pretty beefy for its size. My friend was surprised it could even run Starcraft 2.
Ha-hah!

Edit: I guess this should've been in the Mac hardware thread.

 

[SeanR1221]

Aw yeah, playing Borderlands 2 on full resolution. MBA 2012 is pretty beefy for its size. My friend was surprised it could even run Starcraft 2.
Ha-hah!

Edit: I guess this should've been in the Mac hardware thread.

On HD Graphics 4000?

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

What the hell...had the same issue on late 08 last week.

?????

Damn!

I think I updated recently too. How is yours going. I might uninstall it and not even use click2flash

 

[Majine]

On HD Graphics 4000?

Yeah. Haven't experienced any framedrops yet but the game hasn't gotten that chaotic yet.

 

[SeanR1221]

Yeah. Haven't experienced any framedrops yet but the game hasn't gotten that chaotic yet.

What settings?

I just installed Left 4 Dead on my MacBook pro 2012 base model and I can only get things to run smoothly on medium-low settings with vsync and stuff off.

 

[LCfiner]

What settings?

I just installed Left 4 Dead on my MacBook pro 2012 base model and I can only get things to run smoothly on medium-low settings with vsync and stuff off.

that's odd.

I've run L4D and Portal 2 on the 2009 iMac (running a 4850M GPU with 512MB VRAM) at 1080p and they both ran over 30 fps. in some locations, over 60 fps. settings were a range of med to high.

a 2012 Mac - even with the HD4000 - should be better than the old 4850M

 

[Ingueferroque]

What settings?

I just installed Left 4 Dead on my MacBook pro 2012 base model and I can only get things to run smoothly on medium-low settings with vsync and stuff off.

Steam Mac and Source ports run like absolute garbage, and Valve doesn't care.

I get less than half of the framerate that I get in Windows on the same machine (and I have the fastest available Retina 15" with max ram)

 

[SeanR1221]

Maybe that's it then, cause I'm running Diablo 3 on mid-high settings perfectly fine.

 

[Quick]

I need a streaming program that can stream to an Apple TV for various file types. Any free suggestions?

 

[Ingueferroque]

I need a streaming program that can stream to an Apple TV for various file types. Any free suggestions?

Air Video is a great streaming app, but unfortunately you will need to use a workaround (Mac -> iPhone/iPad -> AppleTV to get to what you want.

http://www.inmethod.com/forum/posts/list/3069.page

Beamer is something that does exactly what you ask for, but I haven't tested it myself.

http://beamer-app.com

 

[mollipen]

Why would you ever use a secondary account then? Seems really gimped. Make two iCloud accounts, use the same one on each device for the iTunes Store that way they don't have to purchase the same app twice. iCloud stuff on their separate accounts.

We use a secondary iCloud account at work to sync our Address Book. It's pretty handy, since all of us work on Macs.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

It shouldn't be, but the longer I use OS X, the more it feels like it's "reasonable" (read: it sucks). I'm on a 2009 MBP with 8GB of RAM, which one would think is still pretty current.

Check your startup items and see if there's anything intensive that's running (under Users & Groups in System Preferences).

If you're not using it, turn off the Dashboards screen completely via Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES

Then

killall Dock

Thank you for this. I hate the dashboard.

 

[SeanR1221]

I had to disable iMessage on my MacBook. Sometimes it worked great simultaneously with my iPhone, but more often than not it would delay messages to the iPhone and then put the messages all out of order on the phone. Not worth it until the bugs get ironed out.