MachineGames latest financial report came out recently, and they're not very profitable.
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Sure but everybody knows SE was/is in financial trouble from their premium games and lives off FF14 online and mobile/remasters. You seem to be suggesting $2.6M is fine though for a studio that has none of that as backup? What would be the ROI on that as a studio? I would imagine very low depending on the budget of the game, could have made more simply putting it in the bank.Square Enix posted loss in years they released their big games. FF16 and Rebirth. What's going to happen to them in the future?
vaibhavpisal
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Of course they have stuff coming up. Indiana Jones is getting expansion this year that will sell some premium edition upgrades.
Also Indi will keep selling to PS / Steam users that want to own the game but want discounted price.
Back catalogue is how studios sustain themselves.
Fake
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After Youngblood this franchise is dead for me.
diffusionx
Gold Member
We all know MS is doing some funny accounting so who knows what the real situation is. That said, if Microsoft shuts them down, and I think they will, it's not going to be because of profitability. It's going to be because their games don't fit into Microsoft's future plans.
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Felessan
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They seems to have rather modest cost
Machine games is separate company, not a division of MS. Reporting for divisions are mostly optional unlike accounting for companies.
Oh, right, I forgot about your selective memory issues and how it's common for you to not remember what you said from one day to the next...
Please respect yourself, we were in this same situation a few months ago, and I don't feel like embarrassing you again by rescue your comments in threads about the closure of Ninja Theory
As I said, there is a thread from very recently where you announced and strongly bet on the announcement of the closure of the aforementioned Studios..... Respect yourself a little, friend
I didn't say you would say such a thing... I said that your eagerness, drive, and persistence in betting on and predicting the closure of Xbox studios is never appreciated when it comes to predicting and betting on the next studio Sony closes.
And no, you don't have to convince me. I'm clear that you're never going to argue or criticize Sony for closing a studio. You're simply always going to look for reasons to justify it.
LOL. The only possible logic from someone like you. I mean, the one you'd like. You're very predictable.
The reality is that MS's closure of studios hasn't followed a clear criterion. That's why some have created so much controversy and disbelief.
The "Xbox is a brand in decline" argument would work if the closed studios were dedicated exclusively to releasing on XBOX consoles, but the reality is that, in general, these were studios that released their games on multiple platforms with the largest possible potential user base.
In short, you could come up with any other reason for the closure of those studios except the one you're presenting because it doesn't make sense.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So $41 million per year. Took 7 years to make Indiana Jones. That's $287 million.
Sold $40 million worth of copies for Indy.
That's a $247 million loss.
Sold $40 million worth of copies for Indy.
That's a $247 million loss.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Would be absolutely funny to see what Msft does to the larger pc to console market next gen with gp.
Economic indicators say only the top 20% are keeping us up; when they go kiss a percentage of aaa goodbye. Due to the fallout of investment flow.
Felessan
Member
No
Why people like talk about things they have no clue about?
MG was profitable in previous years too, nowhere to hide losses
ChorizoPicozo
Member
movie studios are not that profitable either. a lot of entertainment is like that, if MS expects "big tech" profits on gaming... oh boy, oh boy.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Shareholders wanted 2.7 million.....so everyone is fired.
spookyfish
Gold Member
But that's not how companies work today. They don't want money, they want ALL the money.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Just quote me.Oh, right, I forgot about your selective memory issues and how it's common for you to not remember what you said from one day to the next...
Please respect yourself, we were in this same situation a few months ago, and I don't feel like embarrassing you again by rescue your comments in threads about the closure of Ninja Theory
As I said, there is a thread from very recently where you announced and strongly bet on the announcement of the closure of the aforementioned Studios..... Respect yourself a little, friend
I didn't say you would say such a thing... I said that your eagerness, drive, and persistence in betting on and predicting the closure of Xbox studios is never appreciated when it comes to predicting and betting on the next studio Sony closes.
And no, you don't have to convince me. I'm clear that you're never going to argue or criticize Sony for closing a studio. You're simply always going to look for reasons to justify it.
LOL. The only possible logic from someone like you. I mean, the one you'd like. You're very predictable.
The reality is that MS's closure of studios hasn't followed a clear criterion. That's why some have created so much controversy and disbelief.
The "Xbox is a brand in decline" argument would work if the closed studios were dedicated exclusively to releasing on XBOX consoles, but the reality is that, in general, these were studios that released their games on multiple platforms with the largest possible potential user base.
In short, you could come up with any other reason for the closure of those studios except the one you're presenting because it doesn't make sense.
I don't keep track of every discussion I have.
Baemono
Member
But that wasn't the same team I believe
Shadowstar39
Member
yes ....very much so.
I love single player fps games. I reject this company as they turned woke , like they were following reddit and era personalities or had them working on their games.
Wolfenstein The New Order - was amazing, as well as the DLC.
Wolfenstein 2 the new colossus - Story took a big nosedive with over dramatic characters and was the start of having Debra Wilson being shoved into every AAA 3rd party releases. It also latched on to the sjw movement to push sales in the marketing.
Young blood - total shit young woke b's on a quip filled killing journey. sure if you want to play as anoying era/reddit people be my guest. Down hill.
I loved Wolf3d, return to castle wolfenstein , 2009 wolfenstein was meh (wish it was still available to play on pc) the new order but had no desire to play the others after new order.
I suspect the next one will be worse if they follow the trajectory.
Although Indiana Jones , so far that I have played has been a good game. So there is some hope.
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GymWolf
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I liked wolfy2 well enough to want a sequel, yeah some parts were stupid but the game was still fun to me.
I didn't played bloodlines.
Same reaction as last time? "I don't remember what I say or where I said it." Only when I want to. Oh my goodness
I'm sure you'll have no trouble "remembering" by checking your history
Killjoy-NL
Member
Is this the discussion you were talking about?Same reaction as last time? "I don't remember what I say or where I said it." Only when I want to. Oh my goodness
I'm sure you'll have no trouble "remembering" by checking your history
Funny, I see I'm post #5 in that thread.
Guess I completely forgot about it.
As for the rest of your post, I'm too tired to be dealing with that nonsense.
Fact is that pretty much every single
Xbox release this gen underperformed, coming off last-gen where they ended with duds as well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see layoffs or closures for Obsidian or any other underperforming studio.
Would be funny, because this stood out in one of your replies before the above one:
?? You were referring to a quote from someone who was claiming an upcoming wave of studio closures and layoffs at XBOX based on console sales...
Kind of a "heh", given the recent 9,000 layoffs at MS and Xbox.
Not such a bad memory, huh? Shame about the poor attempt to dodge the discussion...
Of course, at the very moment you saw yourself with no way out... trying to divert the discussion
WoW!! You including MS company layoffs
-None of the studios you say would close have been closed - the one closed for a totally different reason than the one you're citing -at a time when the vast majority of publishers and studios are continually announcing layoffs... Congratulations on your exceptional success rate on your bets and predictions
PS. When are you making any bets and predictions about Sony studios that will close and layoffs? Or in those cases, is always your interest only in offering to people reasons why Sony is right to close these, why they deserve to be closed, why their closure is good news for PlayStation and the industry in general... And why is the same but different (.gif)??
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DryvBy
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They're owned by Microsoft. That's the concern.
simpatico
Member
Indy project was doomed from inception. They haven't been given a reasonable assignment in the entire time they've been owned by Microsoft. Indy was a terrible idea and they executed it about as best they could. But the game was cursed from the minute the design doc was turned in.
Take all the most boring and worst parts of a single player FPS campaign without any of the fun parts to make up for it. Gen X has some blind spot for Indiana Jones where they think it's some amazing motion picture franchise and IP, when in reality it was just a decent summer popcorn flick that no one else on earth remembers much or cares about.
Take all the most boring and worst parts of a single player FPS campaign without any of the fun parts to make up for it. Gen X has some blind spot for Indiana Jones where they think it's some amazing motion picture franchise and IP, when in reality it was just a decent summer popcorn flick that no one else on earth remembers much or cares about.
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Killjoy-NL
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It was just a simple 10 sec search.Not such a bad memory, huh? Shame about the poor attempt to dodge the discussion...
Completely forgot about the discussion and even that I was having it with you.
What are you even talking about? I never said NT would close.Of course, at the very moment you saw yourself with no way out... trying to divert the discussion
Ofcourse, because I was referencing the 9,000 lay-offs, as that was mentioned in the headlines.WoW!! You including MS company layoffs
Naming MS was to specify that the 9K weren't strictly related to Xbox.
Be specific. Which studio are you even talking about?-None of the studios you say would close have been closed - the one closed for a totally different reason than the one you're citing -at a time when the vast majority of publishers and studios are continually announcing layoffs... Congratulations on your exceptional success rate on your bets and predictions
And ultimately, most lay-offs at Xbox happening are the result of pisspoor performance of the division. Everything adds up.
Playstation isn't dying, so there is less need to speculate which studios close.PS. When are you making any bets and predictions about Sony studios that will close and layoffs? Or in those cases, is always your interest only in offering to people reasons why Sony is right to close these, why they deserve to be closed, why their closure is good news for PlayStation and the industry in general... And why is the same but different (.gif)??
Maybe that's your problem: #SonyToo
Though, I did say games like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade wouldn't be the major hits many on Gaf thought they'd be, for example.
drganon
Member
Not such a bad memory, huh? Shame about the poor attempt to dodge the discussion...
Of course, at the very moment you saw yourself with no way out... trying to divert the discussion
WoW!! You including MS company layoffs
-None of the studios you say would close have been closed - the one closed for a totally different reason than the one you're citing -at a time when the vast majority of publishers and studios are continually announcing layoffs... Congratulations on your exceptional success rate on your bets and predictions
PS. When are you making any bets and predictions about Sony studios that will close and layoffs? Or in those cases, is always your interest only in offering to people reasons why Sony is right to close these, why they deserve to be closed, why their closure is good news for PlayStation and the industry in general... And why is the same but different (.gif)??
Bernardougf
Member
Cant think of anything stupider than making a First Person stealth heavy Indy game... the studio seems competent enough, so brainstorm better next time holy fuck.
And yet the game turned out very solid with an excellent critic consensus and brings something different to the table other than just the uncharted clone some of you wanted.
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Wow, look where the lazy robot is doing something other than mining with
emoji every PS comment that is not "PS save me my life and my dog's lifetons"Congratulations, it's a big step
Zacfoldor
Member
This is partly my fault. I thought I would buy Indy but I could not bring myself to spend money on the game when the time came. I don't even like Uncharted they are so fucking boring to me, but I did like the Tomb Raider reboots.
There are just too many other games that are not flights of fancy that I would enjoy much more. I thought I wanted this but when it came time to spend the money I realized I had no desire to play it. I buy a lot of games so I'm not sure why this one didn't appeal to me more. Currently the game is expensive as fuck and it's just a no from me at this price. By the time it is cheap enough I will no longer want to play and I think I'm not alone. I do agree with some who say perhaps their next game could be something else besides 1st person indiana jones....I'm not entirely against indiana jones but it just doesn't have the appeal to me a Lara Croft or even another boring ass Nate Drake would.
I'd love a new Riddick game for example.
There are just too many other games that are not flights of fancy that I would enjoy much more. I thought I wanted this but when it came time to spend the money I realized I had no desire to play it. I buy a lot of games so I'm not sure why this one didn't appeal to me more. Currently the game is expensive as fuck and it's just a no from me at this price. By the time it is cheap enough I will no longer want to play and I think I'm not alone. I do agree with some who say perhaps their next game could be something else besides 1st person indiana jones....I'm not entirely against indiana jones but it just doesn't have the appeal to me a Lara Croft or even another boring ass Nate Drake would.
I'd love a new Riddick game for example.
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Laptop1991
Member
Should try going back and making a really good Wolfenstein then and selling the game first before going on GP, they might make a few quid more!.
StreetsofBeige
Member
6% net profit doesn't sound bad to me. At least this studio can figured out how to make stuff and be profitable.
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Cert.in.Death
Member
Their talents were wasted on a licensed franchise whose relevance (and quality) expired long ago.
Invest in developing your own IPs.
Invest in developing your own IPs.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I'd be surprised if it is significantly cheaper.
As we learned from Insomniac leak, it wasn't just a fixed price they charged. It was a % share, which I reckon will be more or less the same.
That's sad, because the game has done more good to the IP than the last few movies. Unless I am the only person I know that didn't enjoy them much.