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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC
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BertramCooper
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God, I love Meredith.
She's freaking adorable.
She's freaking adorable.
Yeah, they showed the glass doors with the same name.
That's not the point, Harry is right. He was shoved into the TV department when no one else wanted it. The partners haven't payed any attention to his huge success, and he rightfully seeks power in the agency, not money. The agency is spiraling towards another rough patch.
huh i totally thought peggy won from watching. i'm dumb. in the bakeoff, i liked stan-don's ad better as it had incredibly striking visual design and i think the cleverness in forcing the leap from the viewer will stick ketchup, which is brilliantly made synonymous with heinz at the same time, in people's mind. however peggy's pitch was so much more convincing and more draper-esque, though her copy wasn't that great at all. that said i'm judging it from 2013 where big capital text stating something like with peggy's is really played out.
does anyone know what the song was that played in the bar that joan and her girlfriend went to and made out with the two guys?
does anyone know what the song was that played in the bar that joan and her girlfriend went to and made out with the two guys?
thank you. it totally made that scene.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Thoughts:
1) Don's ad was better. Of course, Anticipation is a freaking classic, so I guess they got outclassed. I wasn't confused about Peggy losing, those guys weren't celebrating. I wonder if Peggy kinda phoned in that pitch?
2) Don. God what an ass. I don't think I have ever hated him this much.
3) Meredith, how does she still have a job?
4) I liked the Dawn/Joan stuff. I agree, it's part punishment and part test.
5) Harry is hated by everybody, will never make partner. Repeatedly, it's pointed out that nobody is exactly clear on what he actually does, despite it making tons of money. Tip to Harry-- tooting your own horn is not really compatible with running down somebody else.
All-around ace episode.
1) Don's ad was better. Of course, Anticipation is a freaking classic, so I guess they got outclassed. I wasn't confused about Peggy losing, those guys weren't celebrating. I wonder if Peggy kinda phoned in that pitch?
2) Don. God what an ass. I don't think I have ever hated him this much.
3) Meredith, how does she still have a job?
4) I liked the Dawn/Joan stuff. I agree, it's part punishment and part test.
5) Harry is hated by everybody, will never make partner. Repeatedly, it's pointed out that nobody is exactly clear on what he actually does, despite it making tons of money. Tip to Harry-- tooting your own horn is not really compatible with running down somebody else.
All-around ace episode.
He's basically in the position that Don describes to Pete in the pilot.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Despite having rewatched that recently, I don't recall.
I'm usually on board with Don's crazy antics, but I'm hoping that this season - when he gets caught - and he will get caught, it's absolutely terrible for him. As much of a hypocrite he's being with Megan, this whole situation just seems like it's going to end worse than it has any time before this.
I also think the malfunctioning elevator will make it's return at some point this season, and it will claim someone.
I also think the malfunctioning elevator will make it's return at some point this season, and it will claim someone.
Cornballer
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More reviews:
- The Atlantic
- Slate.com
- Rolling Stone
- NY Times
- Salon.com
- Maureen Ryan
EDIT:
- Tom & Lorenzo (style recap will be up later this week)
- The Atlantic
- Slate.com
- Rolling Stone
- NY Times
- Salon.com
- Maureen Ryan
EDIT:
- Tom & Lorenzo (style recap will be up later this week)
VeryGooster
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Never change, Meredith.
BertramCooper
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Harry does not have the maturity or professionalism to earn a partnership.
You might argue that Pete, Don, and Roger aren't exactly mature or professional at all times either, but that's irrelevant because they earned their spots by putting a financial stake in the firm at the time of its founding. And Joan earned her partnership, regardless of the circumstances under which she received it. She is a 15-year veteran of the company and is now the de facto CFO.
Harry's anger is as much a product of sexism directed at Joan than it is an issue of his merit. Harry isn't as special as he thinks he is, and he wouldn't be offered a partnership at any other firm on Madison Avenue. He's arrogant and delusional, and should take the money and shut the hell up.
CaptainZombie
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I found last night's episode to be a bit more enjoyable than the first 3 episodes. It seems like Don is really taking a downward spiral turn for sure.
Cornballer
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Yes.
"You'll die in that corner office a mid level executive with a little bit of hair that women go home with out of pity. And you know why? Because no one will like you."
Harry's contribution to the agency is way undervalued, the only person that began to pick up on it is Lane. We'll have to wait and see what happens down the line, my friend.
BertramCooper
Banned
Harry has far more to lose than the firm does.
Cornballer
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I disagree, SCDP will be scrambling to find a replacement if he leaves.
Yeah, Harry's done a great job in the TV department. Build it from nothing and now it's a money making machine for the firm. Always felt they under appreciate Harry.
I basically agree with Bert. Don't confuse Harry's productivity with his personal effectiveness. He's making them a lot of money, but ANYONE running TV would be making them a lot of money, because it's TV and that's where the money is.
BertramCooper
Banned
If Harry's point of contention is his lack of a partnership, he's shit out of luck. Nobody else is going to offer him one.
SCDP will take a hit, but they can (and will) find another Harry. Harry, on the other hand, is never going to get the partnership he so desperately desires, and if he asks for one on a job interview, it will be a non-starter. And folks at a new firm won't have the personal history with him that his colleagues at SCDP do, and will be less likely to put up with his bullshit.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Was that Ted McGinley? Show just jumped the shark.
the scene where he sold dow chemical that special showed that he is very effective though
it also shows why he's right i think. he only knew about a problem he could solve because ken happened to fund his door ajar and rant at him, basically an accident, if he were a part of the partner meeting he'd be able to do that way more often and the company could synergize the traditional copy with tv better and make the defining new trend at the core of their buisness instead of sidelined and mocked.
i feel like the company is pretty much setup to mirror don's arc - it has the fresh revamp like don did with megan but still falls back to the same old problems which are going to ruin them as the sixties turns from the remains of the fifties to the decade we know. harry's snub is a reflection of their failure to keep up.
Ignatz Mouse
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It's really hard to judge Harry's worth. TV is booming, but could just anyone do it? I always figured he was good at his job, but didn't do as well at the firm as he might because he was such an unlikable doofus. Remember last year's season opener, and him publicly mocking/degrading Megan? And we already know Don dislikes him.
Harry would be on a faster track for partnership with another firm, rather than the agency he helped save from oblivion. That's just wrong.
BertramCooper
Banned
To be sure, the firm is extremely bad at making their employees feel appreciated. That's the biggest reason why Peggy left. Ted is most certainly slimy, but he clearly values Peggy's opinion more than Don ever did.
That said, I don't feel they're unjustified in not wanting to give Harry a partnership. They should have made an effort to better compensate him earlier, though.
Based on what? Every other firm already has a Harry.
That said, I don't feel they're unjustified in not wanting to give Harry a partnership. They should have made an effort to better compensate him earlier, though.
Based on what? Every other firm already has a Harry.
lol...fucking love this
I actually thought they'd won it too since their ad was really good. The apparent JWT mention went right over my head. I thought Cha was just being his usual smug asshole self (i.e. bought it right in the room). With that being said, I LOVED the SCDP campaign. Man, that was brilliant.
I really hope they end the Don cheating again subplot but I know they probably won't. It makes me so uncomfortable/disappointed and he's been absolutely insufferable this season. I think Weiner is making us remember how horrible he can be to help set up some eventual redemption.
slightconfuse
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Joan was way better at Harry's Job anyway. She is the reason there is a TV department
haha, this song was driving me nuts last night at the clubs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfBJMIANsM
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's the OTHER Bundy neighbor.
I thought that was a little heavy handed. The only part I didn't like from the episode.
This exchange was my favourite of the episode I think :lol
This and when she was looking for Harry and his secretary..
I actually lol'd out for real.
Best episode so far this season. Every commercial break i was looking at the clock and thinking SLOW DOWN, DONT END. The hour passed by soo damn quickly. It didnt feel like an hour at all.
On a side note i thought the Kia commercial with the hot robot lady was quite funny.
This was the show at its very best. The office dynamic, and how those of us who work in an office and know the real life Joan's and Harry's, is fantastic to see. However, it's the advertising and pitches that make it special. All of that was riveting.
I wasn't clear on if Harry was in on Joan's partnership. I don't remember him being in the room during those conversations. That seems like something the partner's and Joan would have kept very hush hush.
I didn't care for how they handled Don's reaction to Megan's love scene. But I supposed it was an easy ploy to have him run back Lindsey Weir. Still thought he could have reacted more positively to it to Megan's face, and then used it to justify his actions in his mind.
It was not. But the writer was the age-less Ted McGinley.
I wasn't clear on if Harry was in on Joan's partnership. I don't remember him being in the room during those conversations. That seems like something the partner's and Joan would have kept very hush hush.
I didn't care for how they handled Don's reaction to Megan's love scene. But I supposed it was an easy ploy to have him run back Lindsey Weir. Still thought he could have reacted more positively to it to Megan's face, and then used it to justify his actions in his mind.
It was not. But the writer was the age-less Ted McGinley.
Cornballer
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I agree with all of this. So far, Harry has proven that he is competent at his job, but not irreplaceable. He's done well, but competence alone doesn't demand a partnership. Just look at Ken. And on top of that, I think it has become clear that Harry's punk-ass move of making "B-b-but you made JOAN a partner for being a slut, Waaaah!" a cornerstone of his argument has pretty much guaranteed that nobody will care for him enough to even consider giving him a place at the table. Likability is half the battle, dummy.
Besides, Joan's been with the company for 15 years and is practically the glue that holds the entire operation together. She's the reason that all of them get to nap and drink in their downtime, be general layabouts when not nabbing accounts, and not have to worry about how SCDP actually functions as a business. Her worth isn't measured in nabbing clients (well, except that one time...), but the partnership is deserved.
Actually, I think the scene with Joan and her friend in bed (Ch, fuck what they think; you have a place at the table.), and the resulting conversation with Dawn, represents a major turning point for how Joan's going to function at SCDP. I can't wait to see what comes of it.
What can I say? I love the boys, but how the women navigate this world has always been one of Mad Men's more fascinating aspects to me
BertramCooper
Banned
By and large, Mad Men depicts how women adapted to and/or embraced social change - and how men resisted it.
Such an awesome moment. Loved the episode.
BertramCooper
Banned
She wasn't in last week's either, if I remember correctly.
Davey Cakes
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I'm glad that Betty is used sparingly and they don't feel obligated to have her in every episode.
I do think her character has been improving, but it still doesn't stop me from loving Seasons 4 and 5 because she was mostly absent. Hopefully we get just enough of her this season.
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