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[Mafia] NX Launch Night |OT| Back of the Line!
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O wow this explains the licking and everything
LaunchpadMcQ
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LOL
I'm sorry that you don't seem to know that survivors can have alt win conditions.
Hello,
late night posting time.
I did two thread searches. One for 'Darryl' in posts by Timeaisis, and I've quoted all posts before today:
Three posts. One directly mentioning Darryl, one responding to a quote about Darryl, and one that's essentially a joke.
Next, I searched for 'Time' with posts by Darryl and again before today:
Yeah, there was quite a few results because Darryl uses the word time a lot, but granted I've not missed something in zombie mode, this is the single time Darryl references Time.
OK, I'm going back to bed. More tomorrow.
late night posting time.
I did two thread searches. One for 'Darryl' in posts by Timeaisis, and I've quoted all posts before today:
What I have to say about you is you post too much...
Here's a few for now. I was mostly caught up yesterday but all you fucking Europeans decided to add a few pages to the madness.
cabbeh - I believe his miller claim. He didn't have any heat on him when he did it, so it wasn't like it was in some defense, but it could still be a mafia ploy. We have to kill him eventually, but I see no reason to do it today.
Karkador - Karkador, Karkador, Karkador. I know he's a really good player, but I can't for the life of me understand his stunt. He's been playing with a far different strategy than he has in the past, and it bothers me. Certainly, it could be experimentation, but I don't get it. If he's town, we don't really gain much from lynching him. If he's NoFun, he loses a lot from us lynching him. So what is he? I have no fucking clue but it stinks.
LaunchpadMcPostsALot - *deep breath* I actually align with LMQ more than anyone else in this game right now. He went hard on Kark for good reason, and went hard on bats, too. Reading the game, I was almost positive bats was scum as well, and I found myself agreeing with LMQ more than anyone else. Bats flipped town, obviously, but I still think LMQ made good sense, apart from being aggressive. Seems very town to me.
Blargonaut - Apart from the typical Blargness, he defended bats pretty good before LP bettyed. I have no idea what the hell his goal was because he voted like 300 times, but it seems to me like he's being pro-town in the most Blarg-y way possible.
Fireblend - I can't put my finger on it but Fireblend seems like he's trying to blend in an awful lot here.
Sorian - brb reading the next 100 Sorian posts. Seriously, though. I've played with Sorian enough in the past (or have I) to identify his playstyle and this is pretty much it. Nothing that leads me to believe he's scum. He likes to use his vote to suss things out.
tl;dr Kark and Fireblend stink. Blarg is Blarg. Sorian is Sorian. LMQ is Darryl.
Three posts. One directly mentioning Darryl, one responding to a quote about Darryl, and one that's essentially a joke.
Next, I searched for 'Time' with posts by Darryl and again before today:
Yeah, there was quite a few results because Darryl uses the word time a lot, but granted I've not missed something in zombie mode, this is the single time Darryl references Time.
OK, I'm going back to bed. More tomorrow.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You're going to think this is kind of ridiculous and it may not mean much to you, but this comment is what makes me agree with the point Carrot is trying to make here and what has me somewhat convinced about Time. It's an off-hand comment, made with no real explicit intent, but it comes off as indifferent.
I think the most telling feeling to have in this game is not suspicion or trust; it's apathy towards another player. I'm not sure why it is, but maybe because I have a bevy of conflicting thoughts on all the players, I can't realistically believe that one player would have absolutely nothing to say about another one - unless they knew something the other players didn't.
So, maybe it can't be as simple as how Carrot has boiled it all down, but I know I don't feel nearly as much heat about Darryl when Time talks, or heat about Time when Darryl talks, on either side of the spectrum.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Town only gets two shots at hitting scum (and an extra shot if they can hit one), I, for one, am not into lining up kills (ie Time flips scum, Darryl must be the other one!). I discuss these options for the sake of discussion, I'm in the now though and trying to find one scum today.
You literally just said me and Darryl are both "our guys".
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
How does that translate to:
?
I arrived at these two conclusions separately.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Nope. Haven't gotten from point A to B yet reslly. Darryl is easy because he's put hinself front and center with a crap roleclaim. You'll be tougher to crack...
I just don't find Timeaisis to be that scummy. He's being up front and genuine. Launch just called my role claim horrible and I bet he can not explain why, he is just doing it because he knows any minute now Lone Prodigy is going to pop into the thread, see his words first, and believe it. All scum needs is a few swing votes at this point in the game.
OK, I have given this a bit of thought and throwing my suspicious list out there. As I said earlier, we are in a bad situation where no one has been cleared, so there's at least a little bit of suspicion on everyone. I'm going through the list starting from most suspicious to least, excluding myself because I am town and I obviously know this.
Timeaisis - Time's behaviour has changed drastically today. This is probably due to the fact that he's under the kosh from Sorian, Launch and I. I didn't like how he underhanded some dirt towards Sorian and I, it's muddying the already dirty waters and the way he went about it seemed really weak. It was more of a 'well these guys aren't in the spotlight but they're valid targets' point. It's a valid observation, I just felt the way he threw it out in a one liner was suspect.
I'm not particularly satisfied with his answer to my chase on him. You can't accuse me of coasting and then upon further questioning you regress the point and say it means something else. Coasting implies getting by with minimal fuss, the fact is there have been more convincing targets than I through the day phases and I've tried to contribute as much as possible.
The most frustrating aspect of this is that there's still a pretty reasonable chance Timeaisis is town, and that's why this is situation is fucked. My most suspicious target, and I can't say with any real certainty that he'll flip scum. I only have some limited evidence and gut feelings.
My point with linking Darryl and Time wasn't super major, just something to think about that they haven't really interacted with another since Time came into the game. It as much hints at Time's lack of focus previously as much as they are in cahoots and avoiding direct contact within the game.
It was more a thinking out loud post at 4am.
LaunchpadMcQ - This one is gonna bury me. On paper, this is a terrific mafia performance. mostly leading the way, being heavily involved in nailing two town PRs in D1, hammering the vote on Fireblend in D2 (which can be read as bold in both town and mafia contexts) and while attracting reasonable suspicion from players throughout the game is still here. . I'm really starting to think we should've voted Launch in D2 and this mess would be a little more certain, but that's then, here we are now.
I've made my points clear to Launch a couple of times regarding his inconsistent responses that can verge on absolute tunnelling or extremely negative emotional responses. They still lurk. Also, when squidy flipped townie, A post he made on D2 deadline day suddenly came to my mind:
After pretty much shoeing it in for most of his time here, this was a real squidy post. The problem was my suspicion was high on him, so I felt this was him trying to cover his ass after we called him on not bothering, and left it.
He flipped town, now I feel I can take this post with a little more seriousness. The thing is I did actually follow squidy here, I am with his point. I was ready to vote Launch on D3, but Blarg was so utterly useless, coupled with me not being sold on his ordinary claim, I had to go for him. I regret that decision massively.
There's also the role claim and PM gaff, which is still on my mind as a messy slip up which seems out of character.
The moral of this post is evidence wise there's some but it's not absolute, and I'm fucking reaching to gut feels again (and again) and I just feel something is very off with Launch, I have for a while and I would seriously consider a vote for him today or D4. Time's flip will determine how nervous I feel about it.
Darryl - I feel Darryl is town. He did not go for the 2 PRs, he voted on Fireblend pretty comfortably sitting in the middle of the list, and I think his tirade on Launch is not unfounded. There is always doubt creeping into my mind, and he's above the others in my list because of this. I'm always struggling to read players who don't post lots, but my instinct says town, squidy seemed pretty sure he was town (and he was exposed to more of him through the mission in Archer, knowing he was cop) and his role claim does make sense because the flavour seems to fit.
I think my feeling is if you guys want to take Darryl down today, it's going to be without my vote.
roytheone - I believe roy is telling the truth about his claim because frankly a lot of what he has said over the course of this game has been in line my thoughts, He's also offered some useful insight at a couple of points throughout the game. His playstyle is reserved, but potent and we are very similar. There is one glaring difference in our opinions which is Launch, who he seems assured is town. If Launch dies before the end of the game and flips mafia, I will have to re-visit roy and his allegiance to Launch. Currently though, I don't have enough reason to suspect him for a vote today.
Sorian - Sorian licked me so his claim checks out mostly to me. I also believe he is in fact a neutral as opposed to a scum. I think my role is anti town enough that having a Mafia member that can cause confusion with the licks AND kill seems OP. I also believe it would be very fucking odd if he were Mafia and both he and Fireblend visited Ouro on N1.
Lone_Prodigy - I don't believe a Mafia would have a day one-shot kill power AND normal Mafia abilties. Nothing LP has done since has came off to me as scummy. I feel he could've contributed a bit more overall, but that's about as much negativity as I'm willing to give on him.
The situation means we'll never know for sure until he flips or the game ends, though he's my safest town bet at the moment,
I'll vote on Time or Launch today. I would like thoughts from this post from everyone.
Timeaisis - Time's behaviour has changed drastically today. This is probably due to the fact that he's under the kosh from Sorian, Launch and I. I didn't like how he underhanded some dirt towards Sorian and I, it's muddying the already dirty waters and the way he went about it seemed really weak. It was more of a 'well these guys aren't in the spotlight but they're valid targets' point. It's a valid observation, I just felt the way he threw it out in a one liner was suspect.
I'm not particularly satisfied with his answer to my chase on him. You can't accuse me of coasting and then upon further questioning you regress the point and say it means something else. Coasting implies getting by with minimal fuss, the fact is there have been more convincing targets than I through the day phases and I've tried to contribute as much as possible.
The most frustrating aspect of this is that there's still a pretty reasonable chance Timeaisis is town, and that's why this is situation is fucked. My most suspicious target, and I can't say with any real certainty that he'll flip scum. I only have some limited evidence and gut feelings.
My point with linking Darryl and Time wasn't super major, just something to think about that they haven't really interacted with another since Time came into the game. It as much hints at Time's lack of focus previously as much as they are in cahoots and avoiding direct contact within the game.
It was more a thinking out loud post at 4am.
LaunchpadMcQ - This one is gonna bury me. On paper, this is a terrific mafia performance. mostly leading the way, being heavily involved in nailing two town PRs in D1, hammering the vote on Fireblend in D2 (which can be read as bold in both town and mafia contexts) and while attracting reasonable suspicion from players throughout the game is still here. . I'm really starting to think we should've voted Launch in D2 and this mess would be a little more certain, but that's then, here we are now.
I've made my points clear to Launch a couple of times regarding his inconsistent responses that can verge on absolute tunnelling or extremely negative emotional responses. They still lurk. Also, when squidy flipped townie, A post he made on D2 deadline day suddenly came to my mind:
After pretty much shoeing it in for most of his time here, this was a real squidy post. The problem was my suspicion was high on him, so I felt this was him trying to cover his ass after we called him on not bothering, and left it.
He flipped town, now I feel I can take this post with a little more seriousness. The thing is I did actually follow squidy here, I am with his point. I was ready to vote Launch on D3, but Blarg was so utterly useless, coupled with me not being sold on his ordinary claim, I had to go for him. I regret that decision massively.
There's also the role claim and PM gaff, which is still on my mind as a messy slip up which seems out of character.
The moral of this post is evidence wise there's some but it's not absolute, and I'm fucking reaching to gut feels again (and again) and I just feel something is very off with Launch, I have for a while and I would seriously consider a vote for him today or D4. Time's flip will determine how nervous I feel about it.
Darryl - I feel Darryl is town. He did not go for the 2 PRs, he voted on Fireblend pretty comfortably sitting in the middle of the list, and I think his tirade on Launch is not unfounded. There is always doubt creeping into my mind, and he's above the others in my list because of this. I'm always struggling to read players who don't post lots, but my instinct says town, squidy seemed pretty sure he was town (and he was exposed to more of him through the mission in Archer, knowing he was cop) and his role claim does make sense because the flavour seems to fit.
I think my feeling is if you guys want to take Darryl down today, it's going to be without my vote.
roytheone - I believe roy is telling the truth about his claim because frankly a lot of what he has said over the course of this game has been in line my thoughts, He's also offered some useful insight at a couple of points throughout the game. His playstyle is reserved, but potent and we are very similar. There is one glaring difference in our opinions which is Launch, who he seems assured is town. If Launch dies before the end of the game and flips mafia, I will have to re-visit roy and his allegiance to Launch. Currently though, I don't have enough reason to suspect him for a vote today.
Sorian - Sorian licked me so his claim checks out mostly to me. I also believe he is in fact a neutral as opposed to a scum. I think my role is anti town enough that having a Mafia member that can cause confusion with the licks AND kill seems OP. I also believe it would be very fucking odd if he were Mafia and both he and Fireblend visited Ouro on N1.
Lone_Prodigy - I don't believe a Mafia would have a day one-shot kill power AND normal Mafia abilties. Nothing LP has done since has came off to me as scummy. I feel he could've contributed a bit more overall, but that's about as much negativity as I'm willing to give on him.
The situation means we'll never know for sure until he flips or the game ends, though he's my safest town bet at the moment,
I'll vote on Time or Launch today. I would like thoughts from this post from everyone.
Added the bolded, forgot to add that thought. Upon reading I realized it the way I had written it seems to project the narrative that he could only be mafia, obviously not true.
It doesn't say anything special. Basically, the only thing about NX in the fluff was something like (paraphrased of course): "When you went to go wait in line for the new NX, you decided to bring your drone so that you could try to get some new, "interesting" videos for your collection". Yeah, the fluff makes me out to be a HUGE ass creep
One of Fire his one shot abilities was an alignment changer. Of course, that doesn't rule out that they have another one, but it does seem unlikely to me. Also, if you and cabot speak the truth, there are already two town roles that produce false activity. I don't think the mafia will get the ability to create even more false activity.
I agree on your opinions about Time, Sorian, Prodigy and me of course
. Like you said, I do have a bit more faith in Launch, his reactions always seemed genuine to me. We also disagree about Darryl, I am pretty convinced he is the other mafia next to Time. His voting behavior is just so weird and the way he jumps in, posts a opinion that will cause questions, and then immediately out again doesn't sit right with me. About Sorian: I know I have said multiple times that I think he is hiding part of his role. I still kind of have that feeling, but we are now in day 4 and nothing has surfaced. Also, in this phase of the game miss lynching would be VERY bad, and since pretty much the only way to 100 % confirm Sorian his role is to lynch him, and that even though he may be hiding part of his role, he still behaves in town best interest, I am just going to take his claim on face value from now on. Trying to figure out his complete role claim will just take time away from searching for real scum, and we are running out of time.
About Prodigy: Prodigy is a weird one. He has been town in my eyes for a pretty long time, but if I think about it that is pretty much only based on his becky power. It is pretty hard to get a read on him through his opinions.
About timeaisis and Darryl: Like I said, I think those two are scum together. If I look at how they behaved today, they seem to be searching for a lynch candidate they can focus attention on instead of themselves. Time took me and Cabot, and Darryl took Sorian and Launch. Also, at the same time, Time seems to ready himself a bit to bus Darryl if none of their other lynch candidates get any traction. That makes me think Time has some kind of power that they want to be able to use tonight, maybe to implicate me for tomorrow, so if one of them has to go, they rather want it to be Darryl. And because of that:
VOTE: timeaisis
Random question: Did L_P ever actually do a real role claim? I know it's usually dumb but did we ever get his role name and flavor and such? I went and looked around the time he used his power and all he said was he was basically a one shot day vig but I'm surprised no one asked to get the flavor info.
Basically mirrors my own thoughts. Maybe I'm dense but I think Launch has been sincere for this game and I backed off of Darryl because his role claim checks out to me. That just leaves Time in the camp of untrustworthy people for me and my prime suspect. I don't think the final two scum are Launch and Darryl but I could see either partnered with Time so I want to take out that block first.
Basically mirrors my own thoughts. Maybe I'm dense but I think Launch has been sincere for this game and I backed off of Darryl because his role claim checks out to me. That just leaves Time in the camp of untrustworthy people for me and my prime suspect. I don't think the final two scum are Launch and Darryl but I could see either partnered with Time so I want to take out that block first.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Why do you believe Darryl's role checks out? It's the low-hanging fruit joke that we've been making since Day 1. I'm not saying that all of Tim's roles raise the bar on flavor, but that one is kind of lazy.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't think there's much to his voting. Darryl is good at acting like town. He patented the whole frustrated villager act in the AC game.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
For the record, I could vote either way today, but Darryl just looks like the scummiest.
However, in the interest of being prudent, I would like to know L_P's flavor.
However, in the interest of being prudent, I would like to know L_P's flavor.
Also, any particular reason why Darryl wouldn't reveal he was licked?
I know there wasnt too much time between roy's claim and sorian mentioning he doesn't care if he (person he licked) speaks up, but darryl was definitely active before the claim.
What's the thinking for not revealing?
I know there wasnt too much time between roy's claim and sorian mentioning he doesn't care if he (person he licked) speaks up, but darryl was definitely active before the claim.
What's the thinking for not revealing?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
If he's mafia, he could have been waiting to confer with his partner to see how he could spin that information or in case there was anything damning in revealing it outright.
From Darryl directly:
Basically claims he didn't see the PM and claims that the only reason he noticed it is because roy brought it up in thread.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
That he didn't see it? I agree
The way he said that no one would dare kick a grandma out of line seemed very reminiscent of batsnack's flavor. It could be bullshit but I'd be surprised if there wasn't someone partially bulletproof in the game and the idea behind the role reminds me of Tim's humor for this game. Darryl is still high on my list but Time is higher now.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Shit I'm not sure about Time yet. All I've got is a gut feel. I don't think he's done anything to warrant this yet.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Two thoughts on Darryl:
1. Divorced Dad was scum. Why can't Confused Grandma? Wants to get these undeserving kids out of the line, and who would refuse a grandma? If we learned anything from Fire, it's easiest to role claim with half a truth.
2. He went after Launch. Now the way Launch has played it'd be remiss to not suspect him, but it's an easy cover for his traditionally aggressive play style. Blarg went hard after him and he was ordinary.
And I'm Stoner Dude. I've been hanging out with cool kids in line while riding a solid 8 and sharing my brownies.
1. Divorced Dad was scum. Why can't Confused Grandma? Wants to get these undeserving kids out of the line, and who would refuse a grandma? If we learned anything from Fire, it's easiest to role claim with half a truth.
2. He went after Launch. Now the way Launch has played it'd be remiss to not suspect him, but it's an easy cover for his traditionally aggressive play style. Blarg went hard after him and he was ordinary.
And I'm Stoner Dude. I've been hanging out with cool kids in line while riding a solid 8 and sharing my brownies.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Lmao I buy that flavor
I was thinking the same thing, like maybe kids are town-aligned and adults are scum-aligned but then I keep going back to Tim's note in the opening post:
and then I think that it's just a trap. I mean, nothing about Fire's text even came off as particularly evil, he could have been fun aligned with the same text and I wouldn't have batted an eye.
You buy that one but not Darryl's?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
"Riding a solid 8" - that's a piece of language I would not expect to hear, so I can only guess it's Tim's
But I'll humor it, how does Becky fit into this?
I don't really see this as defending anyone since we obviously saw he used a command named Becky that handed out a pot brownie. Our resident T Swift already posted the joke back on day 1:
So yeah, I have no issue with the brownie and Becky part of it, Tim took a good joke and made it great, the rest of the flavor is what I was interested in.
That's because I haven't. Think about this from a mafia persepctive. It's Day 4. They've almost got the game in the bag. All they need is a quick lynch of a regular townie that doesn't give them all away. Who do they choose? Oh, someone who's being slightly suspicious to just about everyone. If I die, it tells you guys almost nothing. That's their whole plan. Everyone has been suspect of me. I've been a very middle-of-the-road player (up until today, anyway), and I'm a very low-risk mafia kill. Voting me doesn't make a person (scum or otherwise) look particularly suspicious. Now that the bandwagon is started and a kill needs to be made, I'm the clear easy out choice.
Roy and Darryl claimed PRs. If we mislynched a PR we'd be looking at who pointed the finger. That's way too risky for them. Instead, they're gonna play the field to off me and give y'all pretty much nothing to go off today. It makes perfect sense and I don't know how you guys aren't realizing this yet.
Notice everyone's responses to killing me.
He's "fine" with lynching me. Just fine. Because I'm such an agreeable, easy target that doesn't paint a big "scum" label on his back once I flip town. No reasoning, just that's who the hunch is. I'm the big fat hunch.
I don't even know what this means. But I guess I'm scummy to roy because I'm voting for him or something. Great reasoning, roy.
Cabot is just voting for me said he was coasting earlier today. Notice I never threw a vote his way, I just pointed out he hasn't really had to defend himself since D1.
Yes, it is very reasonable I am town. Once you realize the evidence for me is non-existent it's easy to see.
So now we've got two people thinking I'm scum because I'm pointing the finger at that. Do you remember when I pointed at them? It was well before either of them voted me. So it wasn't in some "redirection" play, which some people claim I'm doing. I wasn't redirecting votes from me because I didn't have any yet (except Sorian's prod vote, IIRC).
Yeah, I got a little more offensive today because we need this. I called out roy and cabot, and they retaliated by voting for me. Now the rest of you are all "ok with lynching me" because you've had your suspicions previously. But still lack any real evidence I'm scum. Because I'm not.
Let's lynch time because he thinks roy is scummy.
LP just dropping in to say we lynch me. Jumping on the bandwagon and no one seems to care.
Which brings us to Sorian...who started this whole mess.
Not saying why, just voting me. I'm such an easy target no one even questions it now. Awesome.
So let's recap:
1. I claim ordinary before the day ends yesterday
2. You guys lynch Blarg (I abstain from voting). I might add roy was part of this vote.
3. We get two PR roleclaims within minutes of eachother (Darryl and roy)
4. Sorian votes for me without much reasoning
4. I say roy still seems suspicious, which is in disagreement with the general consensus of Darryl being more suspicious. I also say Sorian and cabot has been flying under the radar.
6. Cabot votes me angrily
7. Roy says he's OK coming after me and then votes me.
8. LP says he's cool voting me or Darryl
9. Launch calls me and Darryl scum but can't make up his mind.
8. Here we are.
My point being, just because someone has claimed a PR doesn't make them town. You guys have to see this weirdness in all these votes for me. I'm the easiest fucking target in the game right now and it's easy for mafia to hide in these votes.
Cabot is retaliating against me for saying he was coasting. I didn't even throw a vote his way and he jumped on the train because he saw where it was going. Roy is glad Sorian voted me so he could jump on the train, too, without much fuss. You guys aren't even looking at why people are voting who. Jesus christ. There is no reasoning against me just hunches. Sorian I still believe, but he did start the vote on a hunch (a typical Sorian move, though, so I'm not reading too much into it). LP is just popping in to say he'll vote for me or Darryl. Thanks, LP. Thanks for your contribution to the game.
Someone is hiding there, I swear to god. Look at cabot and roy's posts. Just look at them.
Or Cabot's...again, for re-iteration. Jesus christ do I have to highlight this shit for you guys.
Look again, this is exactly what I said about Cabot before he jumped on me. It was one fucking line.
He jumps...me said:
And then I calmly explain it was just an observation, and now he's full bore I'm the scum. OK then.
Alright, I'm done. That's my giant defense of myself. Kill me if you wish. But pay attention to how it went down. Mafia are steering this lynch towards me and it's markedly obvious to me.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Oops I missed that lol
That wasn't why I believed it, you're mixing up my two statements
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Or maybe I'm mixing up yours
Going to read the rest of your post now Time but I opened the day with my thoughts, it was always you, Darryl, and roy on my mind today. It's impossible that there isn't scum somewhere within you 3 just based on the assumption that there are 2 scum left. I don't think both scum had the balls to make a really strong play like cabot with the miller claim or Launch with the slightly less strong early sleep walker claim.