WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I just remember casting lighting bolts and playing wurms and dual lands being less sought after than Serra Angels.
Magic: the GAFering |OT2|
- Thread starter The Technomancer
- Start date
I just remember casting lighting bolts and playing wurms and dual lands being less sought after than Serra Angels.
Looter il-Kor overperforms every time for me in tempo-oriented decks.
Deathrite Shaman literally does nothing.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
This is fun. Somebody else do one.
EDIT: My thoughts were Sinkhole first, due to the needing double black pretty quick for it to be worth a damn (outside some fringe Maze lockout) or Shaman. It does something, but without green, it's still probably the weakest thing. If they're playing any sort of fetch heavy deck or something, it'd be super nice.
EDIT: My thoughts were Sinkhole first, due to the needing double black pretty quick for it to be worth a damn (outside some fringe Maze lockout) or Shaman. It does something, but without green, it's still probably the weakest thing. If they're playing any sort of fetch heavy deck or something, it'd be super nice.
acheron_xl
Member
I'd pull it because it's at it's most brutal in the early game when the BB will be the hardest to count on.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I'd pull it and be happy to side it in against a greedy manabase.
You can always discard it with looter or shuffle it away with clique.
The upside of basically instantly winning the game by blowing up a karoo is too great in my opinion. And people play them quite often in my experience.
Let's hypothetically say Sinkhole was Hymn to Tourach? Would you still have cut it?
The upside of basically instantly winning the game by blowing up a karoo is too great in my opinion. And people play them quite often in my experience.
Let's hypothetically say Sinkhole was Hymn to Tourach? Would you still have cut it?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Shit no. But Tourach is almost always going to do something for you, Sinkhole may, or may not. Probably will, but Tourach turn 2 is normally just as awesome as it it turn 6. Sinkhole, not so much.
EDIT: What's Karoo...cause it sure as heck ain't this. http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3753
acheron_xl
Member
Probably. The deck feels like it needs another creature at 3 or 4 mana to me.
Azorius Chancery, et al.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ah. Damn kids and your lingo
Pretty sure it's any land that taps for more than one mana. It may or may not require you to bounce a land when it's played.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
lol
Because a card that was never standard playable is now too good
I assume we will have a 4 mana Wrath effect in either Fall set or M15.
There is no way they don't have one somehow. Maybe Damnation finally? That would be killer.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yes. Yes. BRING ON BLACK WINTER
I think they are done printing "bury" effects.... I'm just guessing a Day of Judgement reprint in M15 honestly
acheron_xl
Member
Black Day of Judgment would be sweet.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I think Maro said a while back that a couple years ago they looked at all the "can't be regenerated clauses" and were like "...why are we doing this? Its not like regeneration is that powerful, why are we consistently hosing the few times it would be useful?"
There's one in M15 but it's a 5 mana bury.
I'm fine with Bury being something that actually has a value assigned to it, but I think that 2 mana is way too much to be paying- something like .5-1 mana makes more sense.
It's common instant-speed removal. Putrefy is at 3cc and in Standard already (but I suspect they probably didn't really want that rider... but didn't want to make a NuPutrefy.)
As kirblar says I imagine that 5 mana cost has more to do with limited than constructed.
I don't think Murder, at 1BB was "too good" for common in M14.
M14 was one of the worst designed/developed limited formats in a very, very long time.
When you try new things and fail (AVR) its understandable. When you make a core set where "DRAFT BLUE ALWAYS" is the key to winning games, you have a problem.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Goddamn it MTGO
I accidentally murdered my own guy with King Macar because I wasn't entirely sure how to not use his Inspired trigger.
I accidentally murdered my own guy with King Macar because I wasn't entirely sure how to not use his Inspired trigger.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I have no idea what I'm doing. 41 cards:
I'm really pissed that I had to choose between unburial rites and a card that actually sticks things in the graveyard. I guess I'm just trying to ramp into my big duders then protect them with lightning greaves/token generators + eldrazi monument
....but those are the best sets! SEE ALSO: M11
"God's Beard!"
Member
Best set for EV and leveraging knowledge advantage tends to be diametrically opposed to best set for fun.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Oh man, Grislebro, Angel of Fuck Your Emrakul and Wurmcoil, with reanimation spells...
Drool.
Still, Crucible of Worlds does nothing here, unless I'm not seeing something. That's my pick!
Drool.
Still, Crucible of Worlds does nothing here, unless I'm not seeing something. That's my pick!
He has 2 fetches and lake of the dead.
This draft program doesn't work so well for cube when there are duplicates.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Crap, he does have Fetches. I have no idea how I missed those.
CubeTutor works out well for me when messing around.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
My friend just gave me a box of old Onslaught era cards. Now to sort through them.
No, I didn't rip him off. I told him how much the cards I saw were worth.
No, I didn't rip him off. I told him how much the cards I saw were worth.
Well, it's a cube draft, so you kinda have a limited pool. Horror and Prowler add some damage quick. Not sure what Damnation being in the deck has anything to do with anything. It's a one off board wipe and eventually, you're still going to need to attack the other dude. Guess I should post the rest of the pool next time
Well I don't know what picks you made, what cards were in the packs, what's in your sideboard or what cards are even in the Cube so making critiques can be a bit though. If you are playing cards in a deck that are in direct strategic opposition to each other in your final deck (like say a wrath in the same deck as aggressive weenies), something went wrong (you made bad picks, you got cut in your colors, etc.). Since this is clearly a draft from CubeTutor I imagine you drafted with bots? That can result in weird signals and what not. Cube is essentially about drafting redundant constructed decks, you get to be a lot more self selective (in fact you have to be to do well). If you have absolutely no choice but to run this configuration so be it but I would be actively annoyed because some of the cards are actively suboptimal in this configuration
P.S. This is true in regular booster draft formats as well - you have to "draft with a plan", not just a bunch of cards. Not all cards in a color are created equal and cards in the same color often don't go in the same deck.
Murder was in M13 (i.e. one of the better Core Sets for draft) not M14. Then again my win rate in M14 limited was CRAZY high so I guess I can't complain too much
On a side note, they say they don't like Bury effects but they sure do love reprinting cards with bury on them and they have made more new cards with bury in them recently than in a long while
Fun for who
You say this like its some kind of fact or something but fun is super subjective. Like I agree Time Spiral might be though for a new player (though it was the first format I drafted and I thought it was sweet) but that's not the same as out and out unfun. Are you trying to say only formats where its markedly more difficult for the better play to win are the most fun? I'm not sure I totally understand your point.I think Regenerate is getting a mechanical update in M15. It's obviously still in, and it's by far the clunkiest of the normal creature mechanics.
These are the ones where the "obvious" options are actually bad.
The formats where you can get a massive skill edge tend to be really unintuitive and lean towards being annoying to play.Fun for who
These are the ones where the "obvious" options are actually bad.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Yeah, I only have the one reanimation spell but six awesome sources of ramp and crucible makes sure I keep getting land drops on time so I'm not too sad about not getting a thoughtseize or whatever to dump my bombs into the graveyard. Still an awesome source of recursion, obviously.
I mean there's even the nut draw turn 3 Wurmcoil/turn 4 Griselbrand/Angel potential, which is faster than the discard + unburial rites gameplan anyway.
I could see it, the mechanic is awkward. Have there been any hints towards that?
Dunno, but we know they're updating rules again with this release.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have no idea where to sell this stuff - eBay maybe?
I don't think there was anything unintuitive about M14 draft. There were color balance issues (White was near unplayable and Blue was clearly the best even though I found the most success drafting permutations of Jund), speed issues and Slivers was a trap archetype (which is one example of the "obvious thing" being bad) but not what I'd call unintuitive overall. M14 was definitely better than M12 or M10 (I'm a bit hazy on how M11 compares to M14).