Thoughtseize is entirely too good. 1 mana to take their best nonland card doesn't make for interesting deckbuilding.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Magic: the GAFering |OT2|
- Thread starter The Technomancer
- Start date
Thoughtseize is entirely too good. 1 mana to take their best nonland card doesn't make for interesting deckbuilding.
Seize really isn't - it's too efficient for what it does.
Seize is not fine. It is one of the best 1CC spells in the game because it hits anything except for lands. There is no thought process as in past environments where you had to decide between cards like Inquisition of Kozilek or Duress or whatever other card because it had limitations.
If that weren't enough on its own, it was printed with Hero's Downfall, a 3CC instant that kills any creature or planeswalker. Again, no thought process in what removal to run, this is the best card so you automatically play it.
Thoughtseize is a bad card against aggressive decks. The underlying issue is that they've been trying to push green midrange over the years, which has not been kind to proper red-based aggro. What they want to do is make aggro viable again, which really doesn't take a lot, and have one or two avenues to combo. At the very least, the rotation of Lifebane Zombie will make green/white based aggro more viable again.
It's not bad against aggressive decks, it's just not as optimal as it is against midrange and control decks. No matter what card you take, the loss of 2 life is going to be less than whatever creature or burn spell that would've hit the board anyway.
This really isn't true. It's a bad topdeck vs them. Not a bad card.
It still costs one mana and two life, and it doesn't use up your opponent's resources, so they can do whatever they want on their turn minus the discarded card. That's on top of being a bad topdeck. Sounds like a good deal to me for the aggro player.
I remember Faeries tried to replace Ancestral Visions with Thoughtseize, but they just end up getting smashed by aggressive decks. Turns out card advantage is better than trading card for card without any tempo loss for the opponent.
The problem is they printed Sylvan Caryatid and Courser of Kruphix. Without those cards, Thoughtseize is a hindrance in multiples against aggro, but with them, they can save you so much life. Pity.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
How about Cabal Therapy? (Discounting the flashback)
keeblerdrow
Member
Someone brought in a full power cube to draft after fnm tonight. I had no idea what I was doing at all. Everyone else at the table did and they were flipping balls over the cards in packs. So.. I pack 1 pick 3 picked Pack Rat and hate drafted the rest of the draft. Then asked for 36 swamps... and everyone yelled at me. The store owned laughed his ass off at my audacity.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I suppose it's the second worst card to put in a cube behind Jace 3.0?
I definitely think it's worse than Jace at just making games stupid.
Got 2nd at my local FNM. Almost lost my last match because I had an Aetherling on board with Nyx Fleece Ram and only two Temple of Deceits open to either use a Negate or exile Aetherling. In my tired state, my opponent tries to Doom Blade my Ram at the end of my turn, which I countered with Negate not thinking about about Aetherling. This man then drops Planar Cleansing while I'm beating my head against the table. Everyone was watching us and some called it one of the worse punts they've ever consider my opponent was at 7 life and a turn away from losing. While I have to hold that L for embarrassing myself, my Esper deck still whooped ass tonight.
Pack Rat is very good but it's not unbeatable. There should be a good amount of sweeper effects in a powered cube to combat it.
Jace Memory Adapt isn't that awful either. It does seem overpowered but as a blue finisher it has too much variance. Sure there will be some games when you land it and use his mill ability twice or three times to secure the game but there are even more games where you invest 5 mana for a one time mill of ten which doesn't do you any good.
I cut Jace 3.0 a long time ago not for power issues but consistency.
If you have a Cube deck that can't beat a turn two Pack Rat, that's YOUR damn fault, not Pack Rat's.
I also agree that the big issue with Memory Adept is less that the card is "broken" and more that it is swingy to the point of being unfun/uninteresting. As Hero says, there are games where it auto-wins and games where it does literally nothing - few cards in Magic can claim to do the same.
On a side note, M15 previews start Monday. GET HYPE!
I also agree that the big issue with Memory Adept is less that the card is "broken" and more that it is swingy to the point of being unfun/uninteresting. As Hero says, there are games where it auto-wins and games where it does literally nothing - few cards in Magic can claim to do the same.
On a side note, M15 previews start Monday. GET HYPE!
"God's Beard!"
Member
Went 0-3 drop for the first time in forever at FNM. Swapped to draft after the drop, which I won cleanly.
I dunno, I feel like my deck is fine but I was getting some serious mana screw. Like mulligan to a three land hand with playables then never drawing another land. Three mono-black variations straight didn't help.
But I am going to tweak my deck now, especially now that I've got a full playset of blood barons. Probably go into the full esper madness.
I dunno, I feel like my deck is fine but I was getting some serious mana screw. Like mulligan to a three land hand with playables then never drawing another land. Three mono-black variations straight didn't help.
But I am going to tweak my deck now, especially now that I've got a full playset of blood barons. Probably go into the full esper madness.
Did my first conspiracy draft and managed to win by employing the sane strategy I use playing four player free for all in magic 2014 on my iPad. Sit back and build your defenses till you are an unstoppable army while your opponents attack each other and then kill everyone at once. Still not sold on it though, I dislike the reveal shit that slows up the drafting. I guess I'm just a cranky old man who wants his drafting to be simple and clean.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They'll fall through the weekend and then go higher again once the bots refill supply.
Long term I would think they'd sit around 25 for Timetwister, 100+ for Lotus and 75 for Mox. I'm just assuming that based in the price of other in demand cards. But it could go higher if Vintage is a thing and people actually want to play them.
ThLunarian
Member
Agreed on this.
My cube group just started playing with Conspiracies. I haven't gotten one so far, but I am dying to open a pack 1 pick 1 Worldknit. The drafting experience alone would be pretty great, seeing how pick orders change drastically when you can just play any color. It also seems like lands become much higher picks just because they let you decrease the size of your deck.
They will find a way to fuck them up on the new website. Trust me.
narcosis219
Member
My playgroup is falling apart for whatever reason. People busy and schedules not matching up 
Anyone in the Vancouver area wanna be mtg buds?
Anyone in the Vancouver area wanna be mtg buds?
SigmasonicX
Member
divisionbyzorro
Member
Very few things put me on serious tilt in Magic. Losing two games in a row to lose the last match of a draft, while my opponent makes obvious misplays left and right, but my deck refuses to cough up relevant spells is one of them.
It's really getting to me. My current trend of bad luck is even starting to become a running joke in my playgroup. I know that these things come in streaks - that's the nature of the beast. But...damn...
It's really getting to me. My current trend of bad luck is even starting to become a running joke in my playgroup. I know that these things come in streaks - that's the nature of the beast. But...damn...
Just a little unconstructive venting. Carry on.
blindrocket
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";116937059]
Yeah, that works. What are you looking for?[/QUOTE]
I apologize, I missed this post. Do you have trade items listed online by chance?
Yeah, that works. What are you looking for?[/QUOTE]
I apologize, I missed this post. Do you have trade items listed online by chance?
I know the feeling all to well. I had a similar situation happen yesterday, where I had my opponent down to two life, he killed my creatures, then I top decked land the whole rest of the game while he pulled me down from 24. Awesome!
"God's Beard!"
Member
Would partial mulligans be too strong in Standard? Do they unfairly reward certain decks?
Shocks, domri, kioras, promo pain seer. I dunno, mostly standard stuff since my modern stuff is all going towards my UWR deck. I'm also willing to buy/pay the difference for a good price.
Shocks, domri, kioras, promo pain seer. I dunno, mostly standard stuff since my modern stuff is all going towards my UWR deck. I'm also willing to buy/pay the difference for a good price.
Did another conspiracy draft, organizer decided to expand it out to 5 packs/50 cards to finish off the box.
Built my deck around hidden agendas because of all of the multiples, finished constructing pretty quickly, started shuffling.... and some dude complained that he had trouble making cuts, and that we should all expand to 60 card decks. Tried explaining that it would screw up my deck & that I was already done building anyway, but he told me to add ten more, and the rest of the table stayed silent.
After finding a way to expand it to 60 (deck was completely ruined for obvious reasons, I was bummed), I sat down at the table, and the same dude starts impatiently spouting off at me, asking me if I'm done. Before I could respond, he interrupted with "oh, you haven't even shuffled yet", sighed, and looked down at the table.
Built my deck around hidden agendas because of all of the multiples, finished constructing pretty quickly, started shuffling.... and some dude complained that he had trouble making cuts, and that we should all expand to 60 card decks. Tried explaining that it would screw up my deck & that I was already done building anyway, but he told me to add ten more, and the rest of the table stayed silent.
After finding a way to expand it to 60 (deck was completely ruined for obvious reasons, I was bummed), I sat down at the table, and the same dude starts impatiently spouting off at me, asking me if I'm done. Before I could respond, he interrupted with "oh, you haven't even shuffled yet", sighed, and looked down at the table.
"God's Beard!"
Member
And you listened to him?
He knows that 50 is the minimum, right? I would have just run the 50, not my fault he doesn't know how to draft.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";117728576]And you listened to him?[/QUOTE]
I tried to explain why it was a terrible idea, but he was basically the 'rules guy' of the group, and I was new there. He got annoyed that someone was disagreeing with him, and responded with some nonsensical reasons why there was "basically no difference".
If I insisted on staying at 50 cards, I'd have been arguing for an hour. Just not worth it.
Oddly enough, his friends were a blast, so it was still a fun day.
I tried to explain why it was a terrible idea, but he was basically the 'rules guy' of the group, and I was new there. He got annoyed that someone was disagreeing with him, and responded with some nonsensical reasons why there was "basically no difference".
If I insisted on staying at 50 cards, I'd have been arguing for an hour. Just not worth it.
Oddly enough, his friends were a blast, so it was still a fun day.
I'd have asked for a refund and gone home
Who's the TO? Don't tell me it's the store owner. You should still tell him/her anyway what happened and that it might hurt business when a bunch of nerds tell other people what to do.
Not in this industry I think, because the "regulars" is where most of their business comes from.
Customers come and go. If you don't welcome new players and instead be a reclusive clique, the community cannot grow, which might or might not hurt the business depending how much revenue Magic generates. There are other communities like Warhammer, Pokémon, Yugioh, various board games etc., but I'd assume Magic is a pretty lucrative revenue stream. If I were the store owner, I'd tell the guy to stop being a dick or GTFO.
It was a group at a college, not at an LGS. Sorry, should've specified.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ugh yeah
Apparently it is a temporary thing and they'll be back to midnight EST soon.
https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/480927017781559297
https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/480927017781559297
It's apparently temporary while they work at fixing all the issues with the new site. They don't want 12am PST/3am EST updates either because they're annoying for the web team.
Similar threads
- Locked