SigmasonicX
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Random thought, would Wilderness Elemental be any good in this Standard? If it was reprinted in Oath.
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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I don't think so. Having a creature that your opponent can actively control the power of via fetches seems like it'd be pretty bad. Lots of the two color decks don't run that many duals and don't really need them to operate.
A modified version of the design that had a set base power and got a power bonus instead could be interesting though. Something like this:
1RG
Trample
~ gets +1/+0 for each nonbasic land your opponents control.
2/4
A modified version of the design that had a set base power and got a power bonus instead could be interesting though. Something like this:
1RG
Trample
~ gets +1/+0 for each nonbasic land your opponents control.
2/4
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I would guess so, but that's probably also not much of an imposition, that's six sets for them to spread across.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I feel like the card would be pretty ridiculous from the SB, but like everything else, it has no evasion and would get murdered by literally every removal spell that the 2 big decks run (valorous stance, Surge of righteousness, crackling doom, etc). Maybe make it knuckleblade pricing and add hexproof or pro-blue/white or something. That'd make it sweet.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Nah I say blood moon reprint, everyone loves bloodmoon amirite.
You'd think so, but you'd also have to go back to Innistrad to hit upon one of each without the core sets (or more pedantically back to Nissa in the original Zendikar since Garruk flips to BG)
Trample is a form of evasion.
More to the point, dying to less removal is obviously always good, but just about everything dies to removal. With the exception of Valorous Stance, Mantis Rider dies to all of the most common removal floating in the format right now and is still great. At best, I think you might give it a haste-granting ability like Forerunner of Slaughter and Knuckleblade, but then it's probably a little too pushed.
"God's Beard!"
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Mortuary Mire + Nissa's Revelation secret combo 
A three mana creature with no immediate value(haste, etb triggers) that dies to fiery impulse is probably just unplayable. Even lategame it's probably just a 4/3 trample that doesn't break up board states or do anything to regain advantage. This is competing with knuckleblade unfavorably and that card already sees basically zero play. In play it lines up poorly against mantis rider and anafenza and those are the decks that run enough non-basics to make playing this card not miserable. Against control it doesn't require immediate answers and it doesn't block aggressive creatures(in fact it probably can't trade with swiftspear in 90% of games). So i'm not sure when you'd actually want it.
A three mana creature with no immediate value(haste, etb triggers) that dies to fiery impulse is probably just unplayable. Even lategame it's probably just a 4/3 trample that doesn't break up board states or do anything to regain advantage. This is competing with knuckleblade unfavorably and that card already sees basically zero play. In play it lines up poorly against mantis rider and anafenza and those are the decks that run enough non-basics to make playing this card not miserable. Against control it doesn't require immediate answers and it doesn't block aggressive creatures(in fact it probably can't trade with swiftspear in 90% of games). So i'm not sure when you'd actually want it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";181363912]Mortuary Mire + Nissa's Revelation secret combo
A three mana creature with no immediate value(haste, etb triggers) that dies to fiery impulse is probably just unplayable. Even lategame it's probably just a 4/3 trample that doesn't break up board states or do anything to regain advantage. This is competing with knuckleblade unfavorably and that card already sees basically zero play. In play it lines up poorly against mantis rider and anafenza and those are the decks that run enough non-basics to make playing this card not miserable. Against control it doesn't require immediate answers and it doesn't block aggressive creatures(in fact it probably can't trade with swiftspear in 90% of games). So i'm not sure when you'd actually want it.[/QUOTE]
It's just below the line for modern creatures. It would need a bigger butt or need to get +1/+1 for each nonbasic or something.
A three mana creature with no immediate value(haste, etb triggers) that dies to fiery impulse is probably just unplayable. Even lategame it's probably just a 4/3 trample that doesn't break up board states or do anything to regain advantage. This is competing with knuckleblade unfavorably and that card already sees basically zero play. In play it lines up poorly against mantis rider and anafenza and those are the decks that run enough non-basics to make playing this card not miserable. Against control it doesn't require immediate answers and it doesn't block aggressive creatures(in fact it probably can't trade with swiftspear in 90% of games). So i'm not sure when you'd actually want it.[/QUOTE]
It's just below the line for modern creatures. It would need a bigger butt or need to get +1/+1 for each nonbasic or something.
Infinite Stars
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Reddit's apparently of the train of thought that Kaladesh is the next Block, as the colourless Matters theme in BFZ(And Relic Seeker, the Buy a Box Promo being a turbo dud right now)and the idea that we're getting Enemy Fetches in Fall 2016 makes them come to this.
Their rational in point form:
I'm not entirely convinced, but I think it has some sense in it.
Their rational in point form:
- WotC has mentioned they don't want Landfall in for the whole time BFZ is in Standard but they know there needs to be a reprint, so 6 Months with Allied, 6 months off, 6 months with Enemy would work
- Herald of Kolizek has that odd "Colourless cost 1 less, which seems incredibly wierd by itself unless there's another colourless theme coming after it.
- WotC usually has the buy a Box promo be something they think can be big in Standard and We've seen basically jack support for Relic Seeker so far
I'm not entirely convinced, but I think it has some sense in it.
"God's Beard!"
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Relic Seeker is pretty good with Ride Down, but Hero's Blade, Ghostfire Blade and Sword of the Animist aren't really strong enough payoffs in anything I can figure out. The format is full of shocks right now so a medium quality 2 toughness creature is a hard sell.
It's inevitable at this point with how detailed the art was in Origins. I'm starting to wonder if Vryn even made the cut for development, the name's not that marketable and the environment seemed pretty phoned in.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
We don't need more reasons for Jace incarnations.
Oh god.
Sarkhan got 2 cards when he went back to his home plane...
Vryn needs to go in the recycle bin immediately.
You think they need a reason for Jace incarnations?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Where's Jeska when you need her.
I like Sarkhan
I wonder when they'll run out of adjectives for him.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Both Vryn and Kaladesh will happen.
Muraganda first! :'(
Every once in a while I start thinking about finding a reason to play Narset, Enlightened Master in something and then I remember she costs six fucking mana.
Muraganda first! :'(
Every once in a while I start thinking about finding a reason to play Narset, Enlightened Master in something and then I remember she costs six fucking mana.
So I joined the dark side and built a Derevi Lockdown deck as a response to the escalating arms race in my meta. Holy shit, this deck is insane. Even my first time playing it and having no clue what to do with the numerous tutors I had in hand/board, I still managed to lock my opponents down hard.
Boogalogist
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Yeah. The lockdown can come in pretty fast. I pack stuff like Annul and Pithing Needle to stop fast stuff like these.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Nah green would just be artifact hate again.
Green was artifact hate on a plane made of metal even.
Etrian Oddity
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Remember that time when in an artifact block green had a 9cmc combo deck that was popular
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Nah I was 10 at the time and had no clue people played the game competitively.
I remember playing a casual UB deck with Gemini Engine. Was pretty devastated when I lost it
.Friend of mine had an obnoxious elves deck with Wellwisher making our lives miserable.
Good times.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Is Phyrexia still a place in the lore? It basically sounded like Magic Hell. I wonder what a set there would look like.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Idk but Yawgmoth has to become a walker at some point.
Karona visited Phyrexia and talked to him.
Karona visited Phyrexia and talked to him.
That ignores all the the setup for the Liliana story in exchange for something that they haven't really setup in the story at all. Given their recent emphasis on the story driving the sets it seems like a big stretch.
I must be missing something but why is this an indication of anything? It works well with artifacts, sure, but it also works with Devoid cards which is kind of the whole point of Eldrazi with Devoid.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
What's weird about the herald that devoid is not the archetype I'd want to be in with UR, and apparently gold uncommons they should be a hint.
UR I'd always go aggro with the blue being flyers and awaken spells.
UR I'd always go aggro with the blue being flyers and awaken spells.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I meant within the set, for limited.
"God's Beard!"
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Wow Deathmist/Den Pro are floating around 20 a pop. Time to trade for modern cards.
The entire set design is a bit unfortunate and unfocused.
Leshrac vs Bolas Round Two
He's only referenced on a couple of cards, but he seems like a swell guy,
Yawgmoth is dead. Dead, dead, dead. And he was never technically a planeswalker. So I hope they never make a Yawgmoth planeswalker card. It would make zero sense.
The Phyrexians are sort of back with New Phyrexia and those types of Phyrexians. The classic Phyrexians hopefully never return in a modern setting, they had their purpose and ran their course.
Leshrac played a part in blocks following Ice Age.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Leshrac
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Karona spoke with Yawgmoth, just because people assumed she was talking to Teferi when she didn't does not mean she hallucinated.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I've been thinking about this for a bit. MaRo and I believe Aaron dropped X-Men references with regards to their soft reboot of the Planeswalkers with Origins. MaRo, before hand, has talked about how marketing wanted the Lorwyn five to be the "Mickey Mouse" of MtG. I think they've definitely hit that goal, but there is definitely something missing.
Where is their Magneto? Their Joker? Their Pete? Their Rita Repulsa?
It seemed that for a while they were going to do something with Bolas, but they sort of went nowhere with that. He's still the best candidate for a archenemy, but until they ramp him up from being basically an evil durdle turtle, the two major baddies in the muliverse are the Eldrazi and the Phyrexians. Both of them are sort of faceless, endless evils. Great as an army, not so much as a foil for five teenagers with attitudes and magic powers.
Where is their Magneto? Their Joker? Their Pete? Their Rita Repulsa?
It seemed that for a while they were going to do something with Bolas, but they sort of went nowhere with that. He's still the best candidate for a archenemy, but until they ramp him up from being basically an evil durdle turtle, the two major baddies in the muliverse are the Eldrazi and the Phyrexians. Both of them are sort of faceless, endless evils. Great as an army, not so much as a foil for five teenagers with attitudes and magic powers.
Yes, but his presence on cards were minimal. Lim-Dûl has a laundry list of references, not to mention his own card in Time Spiral, and he's just a puppet.
Joe Molotov
Member
His corpse being a wound upon the universe.
Yes, he is.
Sorin is just a True Neutral. Liliana is Neutral Evil. Ob Nixilis is a muppet. Tezzeret is a clown. Who else do we have?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Except in that 1 book where Tezzeret went to town. Bitchslapped Jace, defeated a copy of Bolas,...
I like it for limited, it's much more aggressive than people say it is. Haven't watched most of the drafts from the GP but personally I had great success with going aggro and only having manasinks for the endgame
Is Tezzeret really a baddy, he fills a similar position to Liliana or Sarkhan.
sadly
I like it for limited, it's much more aggressive than people say it is. Haven't watched most of the drafts from the GP but personally I had great success with going aggro and only having manasinks for the endgame
Is Tezzeret really a baddy, he fills a similar position to Liliana or Sarkhan.
sadly
It'll be Ob Nixilis, Elesh Norn, Raven Man, Tezzeret and Bolas. Those will be the major named villains that we playing a role in the story. With the exception of Elesh Norn, they're all planeswalkers, so they can appear pretty much anywhere.
Yeah, but it's not canon.
divisionbyzorro
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Just you wait until Niv Mizzet steals the spark of some fan favorite character and goes mad with power.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, they have a pool, but they haven't worked to establish the villain yet. I mean, we're one set into a block where it'd totally make sense for them to lay the groundwork down. I doubt they hadn't thought of this. I'm interested in seeing who they'll set up at the Zodd.
And and of course the brothers can come back as the Zordon/Splinter/Prof X. Because that'd be awesome as ice cream and beer workdays.
And and of course the brothers can come back as the Zordon/Splinter/Prof X. Because that'd be awesome as ice cream and beer workdays.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Please dont be Obby
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
But he smolders with generic angst!
I for one welcome our new izzet pinglords.
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