One of my friends wants to play Tiny Leaders. I was initially like "ehhhhh", because it's obviously a scam or something, but after reviewing my cards it turns out I have most of the standard "good" stuff to put together a Jeskai deck. I kind of see the appeal now of having a place to get good use out of single expensive cards you happen to have, like Snapcaster Mage or Clique, but are far off from having a playset of. Which I guess Commander also does, but I only ever want to play Duel Commander, because there are far better games about interplayer politics I could play instead of MTG.
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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divisionbyzorro
Member
TL was no different than most community formats, except it let dealers drive up demand for otherwise worthless cards (which is why they got behind it so hard).
Being on the draw is 100% right even when you're wrong as proven by lsv lol.
I'm 1-2 in my past 2 drafts respectively. Man, I'm usually slow to figure out a set.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yup. Most blatant attempt ever to sell off junk stock ever. Glad everybody saw through that one quickly. Just play causal commander and add beer to ensure extra casualness. Or just put together silly decks and play. Go back to the roots of the game. Play with Healing Salve and Craw Wurm. Dream of landing a Baron Sengir. Do it.
Judge's Tower. Obviously.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Fireblast is my favorite red spell. It does everything red is supposed to do.
Finally something we can agree with. Where can I sign a petition to make Fireblast modern legal?
"God's Beard!"
Member
That's a fun subject.
Favorites:
Favorites:
- White Spell - Enlightened Tutor
- Blue Spell - Vendilion Clique
- Black Spell - Thoughtseize
- Red Spell - Simian Spirit Guide
- Green Spell - Birthing Pod
- Gold Spell - 2013 Vindicate
- Colorless Spell - Skullclamp
- Land - Dark Depths
blindrocket
Member
So is anyone good at building a manabase or is what I have a decent start?
SigmasonicX
Member
first possible commander 2015 spoiler
His experience counter gain seems weird. You have to play big creatures in RW which is typically fast weenies? Seems counter to the deck.
Weren't people specifically asking for Commanders that didn't just promote the same kind of decks again? Big creatures in red-white seems pretty different.
On that note, something that I think could actually work in red that's currently in white is damage redirection. That is to say, the en-Kor ability and the Pariah ability (with "enchant creature you control" instead).
It isn't something that's used much anymore in white, other than the "extreme" version like Palisade Giant every once in a while, since white has outright damage prevention. It doesn't outright remove one of red's weaknesses, since the damage still has to go somewhere and red is less likely to have high-toughness creatures, so the creature doing the protecting is likely to die in place of the other creature. Plus, it carries the flavor of red's loyalty and love better than anything it currently has.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I thought once of creating an actual planechase format and or a planeconquer.
planechase would have involved trying to chase a player who moves planes and you can only interact with a player if you are on the same plane.
Planeconquer would have been a mode were you have to fulfill some criteria to "conquer" a plane which when done let's you reap the benefits of the plane.
But ultimately was too lazy to put in the work to figure it out.
planechase would have involved trying to chase a player who moves planes and you can only interact with a player if you are on the same plane.
Planeconquer would have been a mode were you have to fulfill some criteria to "conquer" a plane which when done let's you reap the benefits of the plane.
But ultimately was too lazy to put in the work to figure it out.
Tiny Leaders pisses me off because the format seems like it could be fun, but I refuse to support it since it's an obvious ploy to get more cash out of players.
Anyway, this list idea is fun.
Favorites:
Anyway, this list idea is fun.
Favorites:
- White Spell - Restoration Angel
- Blue Spell - Polymorph
- Black Spell - Dark Ritual
- Red Spell - Mogg Maniac
- Green Spell - Primeval Titan
- Gold Spell - Sliver Queen
- Colorless Spell - Wurmcoil Engine
- Land - Cabal Coffers
divisionbyzorro
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";181771344]That's a fun subject.[/QUOTE]
Favorites (let's be honest, this changes all the time):
Favorites (let's be honest, this changes all the time):
- White Spell - Balance
- Blue Spell - Upheaval
- Black Spell - Shriekmaw
- Red Spell - Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Green Spell - Craterhoof Behemoth
- Gold Spell - Desolation Angel (technically not gold, but practically gold)
- Colorless Spell - Karn Liberated
- Land - Ancient Tomb
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Planechase was a cool format that I'm mad never caught on
Speaking of silly decks...
I haven't been playing too long but I quite enjoy trying to come up with daft ideas and use those as I only really get to play Standard at FNM each week so like to have fun with it, though that obviously means I don't get much opportunity to test things.
The first bit of advice I was given at my first FNM after getting destroyed by Siege Rhinos was to look through the stuff I owned, find a card I like the sound of and build around it. I initially did that with Sphinx's Tutelage and used a mill deck for a bit but I'd also seen Arcbond and wanted to try and come up with something for that as it seemed interesting, but couldn't seem to make anything work without having a crapload of mana.
Then I pulled a few Zadas in my Zendikar box/fatpack and thought he might work.
I eventually settled on trying to get Zada and Seeker of the Way on the board together and zap Zada with Arcbond and Valorous Stance when one of them takes damage, giving me infinite life gain with lifelink while everything else takes infinite damage. I then tried to just build a deck around that with the rest focused on finding and playing the combo with pretty much what I already owned (I rounded off my Zadas and Valorous Stances through trades and buying but the rest is pretty much thrown together) and managed to get the combo off a couple of times at last week's FNM but it definitely needs work.
So, bearing in mind anything of any value in there as a one or two-of is likely the only copies of them I own (though I'm not against buying one or two other reasonable bits people recommend if I don't already have them), does anyone have any advice on what I could add/remove to tighten it up or is it all a lost cause?
Like I say, I'm not too experienced with this so should I stick with it or just scrap the whole thing and go Dark Jeskai instead?
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Zada, Hedron Grinder
2 Dragonlord Dromoka
2 Dispel
2 Fiery Impulse
1 Magmatic Insight
2 Anticipate
4 Valorous Stance
4 Arcbond
2 Radiant Flames
1 Scatter to the Winds
4 Bring to Light
1 Dig Through Time
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Canopy Vista
4 Cinder Glade
1 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
3 Island
4 Lumbering Falls
4 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Prairie Stream
2 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard
2 Dragonmaster Outcast
2 Erase
1 Magmatic Insight
2 Monastery Swiftspear
2 Goblin Piledriver
1 Cancel
1 Undergrowth Champion
1 Clever Impersonator
1 Kiora, Master of the Depths
2 Treasure Cruise
I think I'm going to get rid of the green in there anyway if I stick with the combo idea. It was mainly there for Bring to Light but I barely used it in practice. Dromoka was nice but I'm sure he's replaceable.
So is this salvageable or a waste of time?
I haven't been playing too long but I quite enjoy trying to come up with daft ideas and use those as I only really get to play Standard at FNM each week so like to have fun with it, though that obviously means I don't get much opportunity to test things.
The first bit of advice I was given at my first FNM after getting destroyed by Siege Rhinos was to look through the stuff I owned, find a card I like the sound of and build around it. I initially did that with Sphinx's Tutelage and used a mill deck for a bit but I'd also seen Arcbond and wanted to try and come up with something for that as it seemed interesting, but couldn't seem to make anything work without having a crapload of mana.
Then I pulled a few Zadas in my Zendikar box/fatpack and thought he might work.
I eventually settled on trying to get Zada and Seeker of the Way on the board together and zap Zada with Arcbond and Valorous Stance when one of them takes damage, giving me infinite life gain with lifelink while everything else takes infinite damage. I then tried to just build a deck around that with the rest focused on finding and playing the combo with pretty much what I already owned (I rounded off my Zadas and Valorous Stances through trades and buying but the rest is pretty much thrown together) and managed to get the combo off a couple of times at last week's FNM but it definitely needs work.
So, bearing in mind anything of any value in there as a one or two-of is likely the only copies of them I own (though I'm not against buying one or two other reasonable bits people recommend if I don't already have them), does anyone have any advice on what I could add/remove to tighten it up or is it all a lost cause?
Like I say, I'm not too experienced with this so should I stick with it or just scrap the whole thing and go Dark Jeskai instead?
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Zada, Hedron Grinder
2 Dragonlord Dromoka
2 Dispel
2 Fiery Impulse
1 Magmatic Insight
2 Anticipate
4 Valorous Stance
4 Arcbond
2 Radiant Flames
1 Scatter to the Winds
4 Bring to Light
1 Dig Through Time
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Canopy Vista
4 Cinder Glade
1 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
3 Island
4 Lumbering Falls
4 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Prairie Stream
2 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard
2 Dragonmaster Outcast
2 Erase
1 Magmatic Insight
2 Monastery Swiftspear
2 Goblin Piledriver
1 Cancel
1 Undergrowth Champion
1 Clever Impersonator
1 Kiora, Master of the Depths
2 Treasure Cruise
I think I'm going to get rid of the green in there anyway if I stick with the combo idea. It was mainly there for Bring to Light but I barely used it in practice. Dromoka was nice but I'm sure he's replaceable.
So is this salvageable or a waste of time?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Oh, man, could you imagine modern burn? lol.
Favorites:
- White Spell - Wrath of God
- Blue Spell - Counterspell
- Black Spell - Dark Confidant (probably best designed Magic card of all time)
- Red Spell - Fireblast
- Green Spell - Rofellos
- Gold Spell - Diregraf Captain
- Colorless Spell - Emrakul
- Land - Inkmoth Nexus
Planechase Commander's the only way I've ever been able to enjoy that format.
If you are sacrificing the scion to the husk, you only get the husks ability. The ability to sacrifice for mana is seperate.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I feel like that's just a function of there not being many good non-Commander casual deckbuilding formats. Like yeah, Planechase is going to suck if everyone has Modern decks, or if someone is running a dumb Vintage thing
Figured as much. Thanks! I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on extra upside.
Keru_Shiri
Member
Hmmm... I think my current favorite are
White Spell - Flickerform
Blue Spell - Gitaxian Probe
Black Spell - Vampire Nighthawk
Red Spell - Koth of the Hammer
Green Spell - Revenge of the Hunted
Gold Spell - Maelstrom Nexus
Colorless Spell - Brittle Effigy
Land - Teetering Peaks
White Spell - Flickerform
Blue Spell - Gitaxian Probe
Black Spell - Vampire Nighthawk
Red Spell - Koth of the Hammer
Green Spell - Revenge of the Hunted
Gold Spell - Maelstrom Nexus
Colorless Spell - Brittle Effigy
Land - Teetering Peaks
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Jumping on the bandwagon, big emphasis on the art with some cards
White Spell - Knight of the White Orchid
Blue Spell - Lord of Atlantis (7th Edition)
Black Spell - Bitterblossom
Red Spell - Knollspine Dragon
Green Spell - Noble Hierarch
Gold Spell - Geist of Saint Traft
Colorless Spell - Etched Champion
Land - Academy Ruins
I mean look at this, it's so beautiful. And it's only fitting for a lord to have an army with him.
And ofc imo the best drawn dragon in mtg.
White Spell - Knight of the White Orchid
Blue Spell - Lord of Atlantis (7th Edition)
Black Spell - Bitterblossom
Red Spell - Knollspine Dragon
Green Spell - Noble Hierarch
Gold Spell - Geist of Saint Traft
Colorless Spell - Etched Champion
Land - Academy Ruins
I mean look at this, it's so beautiful. And it's only fitting for a lord to have an army with him.
And ofc imo the best drawn dragon in mtg.
You're joking.
White: Armageddon
Blue: Spreading Seas
Black: Sinkhole
Red: Boom // Bust
Green: Plow Under
Multi: 2001 Vindicate
Colourless: Mishra's Helix
Land: Rishadan Port
divisionbyzorro
Member
Avalanche Riders > Boom//Bust (cascade shenanigans notwithstanding)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
White Spell - Village Bellringer
Blue Spell - Deceiver Exarch
Black Spell - Dismember
Red Spell - Splinter Twin
Green Spell - Tarmogoyf
Gold Spell - Bounding Krasis
Land - Scalding Tarn
Blue Spell - Deceiver Exarch
Black Spell - Dismember
Red Spell - Splinter Twin
Green Spell - Tarmogoyf
Gold Spell - Bounding Krasis
Land - Scalding Tarn
Yeah Avalanche Riders is sweet too, but Time Spiral also had Greater Gargadon, which is a much better combo with Boom // Bust.
Edit: although time spiral also had momentary blink which combos with avalanche riders. hm
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
As a Dragon fanatic since my little years absolutely not. I've loved the art of this card ever since I first set eyes upon it.
SigmasonicX
Member
Just realized that for the new Commander experience counters, you can proliferate them.
I dont even
I always disliked its lack of a snout. Or an actual face. An all-around stinker.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I love it because it looks Generic but perfectly executed with some really nice textures.
Newer Dragon's art often looks like it's all over the place.
Infinite Stars
Member
My turn, though I don't have the same level of experience as you guys:
White Card: Cathar's Crusade
Blue Card: Serum Visions
Black Card: Dark Confidant
Red Card: Purphoros, God of the Forge
Green Card: Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Gold: Trostani, Selesyna's Voice
Artifact: Lightning Greaves
Land: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
White Card: Cathar's Crusade
Blue Card: Serum Visions
Black Card: Dark Confidant
Red Card: Purphoros, God of the Forge
Green Card: Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Gold: Trostani, Selesyna's Voice
Artifact: Lightning Greaves
Land: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
"God's Beard!"
Member
Fun idea for a CoCo deck that turns into a Megamorph deck.
Bant Light Collection
28 Creatures
2 Warden of the First Tree
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Heir of the Wilds
4 Harbinger of the Tides
3 Deathmist Raptor
2 Den Protector
2 Silumgar Sorceror
3 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
4 Vryn Wingmare
7 Spells
4 Collected Company
3 Bring to Light
25 Land
5 Forest
4 Islands
2 Plains
2 Canopy Vista
4 Flooded Strand
2 Lumbering Falls
2 Prairie Stream
4 Windswept Heath
Transformative Sideboard:
4 Hangarback Walker
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Evolutionary Leap
2 Wingmate Roc
1 Dispel
1 Hidden Dragonslayer
1 Stratus Dancer
2 Dromoka's Command
There's way too many good cards for CoCo decks right now, so hard to build. Minister of Pain, Yeva's Forcemage, Bounding Krasis. I just want to play everything.
...90 card CoCo?
Bant Light Collection
28 Creatures
2 Warden of the First Tree
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Heir of the Wilds
4 Harbinger of the Tides
3 Deathmist Raptor
2 Den Protector
2 Silumgar Sorceror
3 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
4 Vryn Wingmare
7 Spells
4 Collected Company
3 Bring to Light
25 Land
5 Forest
4 Islands
2 Plains
2 Canopy Vista
4 Flooded Strand
2 Lumbering Falls
2 Prairie Stream
4 Windswept Heath
Transformative Sideboard:
4 Hangarback Walker
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Evolutionary Leap
2 Wingmate Roc
1 Dispel
1 Hidden Dragonslayer
1 Stratus Dancer
2 Dromoka's Command
There's way too many good cards for CoCo decks right now, so hard to build. Minister of Pain, Yeva's Forcemage, Bounding Krasis. I just want to play everything.
...90 card CoCo?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The original is somewhat too comic like while the newer art looks like it has trex arms.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Why do you fucking plebs keep shitting on Ferocious?
It absolutely, perfectly accomplishes what it sets out to do: provide tempo to Stompy.
I'll post my favorite lists when I get to my computer.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Did you just actually use plebeian in a non satirical way?
divisionbyzorro
Member
Why do you fucking plebs keep shitting on Ferocious?
It absolutely, perfectly accomplishes what it sets out to do: provide tempo to Stompy.
I'll post my favorite lists when I get to my computer.
Because it's a retread of the Naya mechanic, just with an actual name this time.
Infinite Stars
Member
I was actually going to mention how Prowess is an amazing mechanic that sets out to emphasize was UR do best(noncreature spells) and give them a way to use it in their arguably worst aspect(creatures).Why do you fucking plebs keep shitting on Ferocious?
It absolutely, perfectly accomplishes what it sets out to do: provide tempo to Stompy.
I'll post my favorite lists when I get to my computer.
I do like Ferocious though, even though I'd put Delve, Raid, and Prowess above it IMO.
I have no idea what they were trying to do with Outlast as it was awful to use by itself. Bolster was better, though obviously it still had flaws. The Abzan Outlast Buds(Falconer, Ainok Bond Kin, Tuskguard Captain, Battle Priest, etc) are all nuts when you get them to have counters, but Outlast is way too slow.
"Heaven or Hell" life gain deck I quickly threw together:
Creatures
Elesh Norn x1
Archangel of Thune x1
Ajani's Pridemate x3
Child of Night x3
Festering Newt x2
Banisher Priest x3
Soulmender x1
Fiendslayer Paladin x1
Seraph of the Sword x1
Ukud Cobra x1
Hand of Silumgar x2
Drana's Emissary x1
Artifacts
Bubbling Cauldron x2
Elixer of Immortality x1
Enchantments
Path of Bravery x1
Angelic Accord x2
Sanguine Bond x2
Skeletal Grimace x1
Soceries
Angel's Mercy x2
Fortify x1
Show of Valor x2
Butcher's Glee x1
Tandem Tactics x1
Lands
Seraph Sanctuary x2
Plains x12
Swap x6
Dismal Backwater x2
Blossoming Sands x1
Tranquil Cove x1
Jungle Hollow x2
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How's it look? What I'd like is to slow down the opponent with black dickery while buffing myself with white spells. Cards I'm considering adding are Ajani Goldmane, Entreat the Angels, Martyr of Sands, Rhox Faithmender, Angelic Skirmisher, Battlegrace Angel, Sublime Archangel, and Serra Ascendant.
Creatures
Elesh Norn x1
Archangel of Thune x1
Ajani's Pridemate x3
Child of Night x3
Festering Newt x2
Banisher Priest x3
Soulmender x1
Fiendslayer Paladin x1
Seraph of the Sword x1
Ukud Cobra x1
Hand of Silumgar x2
Drana's Emissary x1
Artifacts
Bubbling Cauldron x2
Elixer of Immortality x1
Enchantments
Path of Bravery x1
Angelic Accord x2
Sanguine Bond x2
Skeletal Grimace x1
Soceries
Angel's Mercy x2
Fortify x1
Show of Valor x2
Butcher's Glee x1
Tandem Tactics x1
Lands
Seraph Sanctuary x2
Plains x12
Swap x6
Dismal Backwater x2
Blossoming Sands x1
Tranquil Cove x1
Jungle Hollow x2
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How's it look? What I'd like is to slow down the opponent with black dickery while buffing myself with white spells. Cards I'm considering adding are Ajani Goldmane, Entreat the Angels, Martyr of Sands, Rhox Faithmender, Angelic Skirmisher, Battlegrace Angel, Sublime Archangel, and Serra Ascendant.
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